Sorry for bringing up this older discussion but I missed it and just wanted to respond regarding my original comments.
24 [...] represents the cycle of a day.
This is the most widely accepted theory.
Well DT saw it as the end of an era too, and the end of the meta-album cycle that they'd dug themselves into. It's quite possible with SC they were very deliberately trying to do something a bit new and different (for the band).
They were but ending the meta-album was already part of the plan, hence why Octavarium is cyclical. The cycle is the terminus.
Having Octavarium continue the meta album but also loop back into itself was genius for the octave/Octavarium concept. It's not a whole they dug, it's a run of albums they finished off in a fitting way as the end of an era.
I agree in retrospect it's not a 'hole that was dug', but I believe it was expressed that way by MP at one point in a similar way to what he said about the 12SS. He was talking about the Van Halen albums doing a similar thing? I can't actually remember where or when he said it but the quote's out there. >_<
In the end though, I agree that it resolved in being a perfect function to close off the 'octavarium' pattern. Even though there were no actual expectations, I think it was MP himself that imposed this obligation, possibly on himself because of how he felt about the Van Halen album not doing what he expected.
Hey, I'm just remembering what I read from MP, can't remember if it was in the book or an interview, where he basically said they kind of started the whole meta album thing, and at that point it almost became expected of them, so Octavarium was their creative way of ending the pattern, and freeing themselves from continuing the meta albums.
I don't remember anything like that regarding the meta album thing. Either way, it was no big deal. They just started doing it, and then they did it again. Nobody cared, the albums weren't actually connected, it was just a fun little thing.
They didn't write Octavarium for that purpose. But in writing Octavarium the way it came out, they did stop the meta album, and good thing too.
I vaguely remember MP comments aswell, which is what triggered my original comments. I don't think it was planned either, it was a just a well timed convenience and some clever thinking. But you can see on the Octavarium wiki under the 'concept' section some of MPs comments where he states '...realized [we] had dug a hole where we're expected to do it every time'. Just wanted to clarify.
I loved the nuggets, they never seemed forced to me. It was one of the things that was signature DT and I really hope they bring that back.
Why is that signature DT when Images and Words only has one such nugget (the WFS - LTL thing) and Awake as well (Mirror - SDV). Nothing of that sort in FII either. And other bands do it in their albums also.
Because they continued it consistently until ADTOE.
I think they're still there and always will be in some form or another, intentional or not, various synchronicities will always occur with an artist's work. Especially with something like music where an artist will have their favourite progressions and recurring lyrical themes being explored from different points of view. I mean look at JMX lyrics, they're all related to the same subject by my interpretation which is the journey through the 'stream/current/flow of life'. That's just an example of related content though and doesn't exactly fit the definition we have of an intentionally placed 'nugget'. But I rekon the mindset's still there, if someone comes up with something that they think would be a cool reference, however subtle or obvious I'm sure they'd incorporate it into the composition. Although they're probably more sensitive to these issues now after being accused of absurd notions like self plagiarism and that kind of nonsense so my guess is that future easter eggs or nuggets will be on the more subtle side.
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