Video Game Thread v. Wii4One

[Genowyn]

I'm not so much complaining as pointing out that Square expects me to fork over $70 for a game in a few years based on the assumption that is a newer version of a game that I like from my childhood (to be honest FFVII is not even close to the best FF game in my opinion, but there's no way they were gonna remake IX or VI anyway) when they have no intention of trying to make it be that same game besides featuring the same characters and locations.

If they move ahead with Nomura's vision of what this game is going to be they will not see a red cent from my wallet, and I hope to god they go bankrupt over it.

[yorost]

They don't expect you to pay anything, they're trying to sell you on it. I'm a Final Fantasy fan and I have no intention of buying it. Hoping they go bankrupt over something like this only shows you need to relax.

[Genowyn]

Well that was a bit of hyperbole, but honestly watching what's become of Square is like watching a beloved family pet slowly die of cancer. It's time for them to be put out of their misery.

Maybe a better thing to say would be to hope they lose so much money they can only afford to make portable games like Bravely Default and Type-0 in the future since that seems to be the only time they can make a game I like

[yorost]

In the past couple years they've released some nice console games (that I've played). Lightning Returns, Murdered: Soul Suspect, Thief, Tomb Raider. All were at least good games.

The company isn't what you want it to be, but they've grown and really complimented their operations by acquiring Eidos. How about Setsuna Project? I'm really looking forward to seeing what that it.

[Genowyn]

I'm only really talking about actual Square games. Like, Hitman Absolution was amazing, but I don't credit Square for that. The only thing Square contributed to that was money.

[yorost]

It is all SquareEnix. They shouldn't be discredited for these games, just like they shouldn't be discredited for Enix properties since that merger. If SquareEnix decides to let studios run themselves then that is still their company structure. If a game is a success under their watch, they deserve credit. If they lose so much money they are forced into portable games it is going to cost a lot more than just traditional Square franchises.

You and I may not like it, but the Square teams deserve credit for saving FFXIV with ARR.

[Genowyn]

If IO had been bought by Sega instead of Square and given the same amount of money I'm sure we would have received the exact same game. I'm not talking about their capability as producers or distributors anyway, but as game designers.

Sure, they saved FFXIV eventually, but first they had to go forward with a misguided and terrible game so they would have something to save.

[ariich]

I think Square is doing just fine. I thought XIII was great. Gameplay was too linear for my tastes, but the story was pretty good, and I loved the effort they put into character interactions. XIII-2 on the other hand, I didn't think was so great. I haven't played Lightning Returns yet so can't comment on that.

[yorost]

Sega didn't buy Eidos, and it's awfully hard to say how they would have treated the development studios or what they would have supported.

I get what you're trying to say about development, but I don't think it works. Too complicated a comparison given the time separation and differences in the market.

[Cedar redaC]

I started playing Hearthstone today. It's pretty addictive.

[j]

I tend to agree with Genowyn.  It's not that FF7 is untouchable and this new game will be blasphemy if it isn't a carbon copy.  It's that Square-Enix's track record over the last 10-15 years is less than stellar, and I'm skeptical that this project will be any different than the vast majority of their other output during that time.  In other words, I don't trust them to make major design changes that are actually well-conceived and well-implemented, let alone improvements to the original.  Hopefully they will prove me wrong in my cynicism!

Make no mistake, the game will sell like hotcakes no matter what they do based on the title alone.  Square-Enix is a very successful video game developing/publishing company which continues to be profitable and I suspect it will be around for quite some time.  But they struck gold so many times in the '90s and even early 2000s that it's hard not to continue to hold them to that unrealistic standard in spite of the ever-changing conditions and dynamics of this industry.

-J

[Phoenix87x]

Super mario maker looks mental

[Lucien]

controversial video game opinion

if ffvii remake's battle system was the same as ffxii's (yes, you read that right, 12) battle system, I'd be happy

[orcus116]

I was going to post that before too. I'm really not a fan of traditional RPG battle systems but FF12's battle system was outstanding.

[yorost]

That could make me consider getting the VII remake, loved XII and it's battle system.

[Genowyn]

Boy I sure could not disagree with the last few posts more.

God FFXII is like one of my least favorite games of all time.

[Lucien]

 

no really FFXII is the best

[Genowyn]

I mean it's not even the battle system, I've tried to play it again, I've given it so many chances. It feels like I'm playing an MMORPG T_T

[Lucien]

Some people like MMORPGs, and even if it feels like one, if it were one it'd be better than most

[orcus116]

The gambit system was great especially when you set up a near auto battle which made it great for the hunts. I remember I beat the Frost Wyrm or whatever that was nearly blackout drunk.

[Lucien]

The gambit system was great especially when you set up a near auto battle which made it great for the hunts. I remember I beat the Frost Wyrm or whatever that was nearly blackout drunk.

The potential autonomy of that system is usually considered a bad thing 

I think it's pretty cool that you can make a game play itself, but idk

[yorost]

It's optional, so I never understood the complaints about it. Making the game play on its own, effectively, was a game in itself.

[orcus116]

It helped for grinding, especially for materials needed to craft the best weapons.

Another thing I really enjoyed was the Star Wars like story. I gather there are more interesting stories within the FF universe but having never played any others I was quite content. Some of the cutscenes like the attack on the Armada were really awesome and the whole airship thing has fascinated me.

[Lucien]

I personally enjoyed the politics of the story.

[j]

I loved FFXII.  One of very, very few SE games from recent years that I thoroughly enjoyed.

-J

[BlobVanDam]

Nintendo may have finally given me ample reason to buy a Wii U, thanks to Fatal Frame, Super Mario Maker, and of course stuff we knew about before like Wii U Zelda and Pikmin 3.

Even having only a few games, I've had mine for a year and can't complain. Mario Kart 8 is fantastic, New SMBU/Luigi U is really fun, NintendoLand is a great time-killer, and NES Remix is cool for parties if you're a fan of the old NES games. Plus they're starting to add N64 and NDS games to the mix on Virtual Console. Planning on getting the first New SMB soon, and being able to play it on my TV is gonna be awesome! Can't wait for Mario Maker. That's gonna be epic!

If Nintendo announced that they were remaking the N-64 controller with modern hardware, I'd buy a Wii-U tomorrow.

But you can already use the far superior Gamecube controller...

I prefer the N64 controller, and I'm not just busting balls. I'm not a fan of the Gamecube controller.

As a long time Nintendo fan, I'm not a fan of the GC one either. Don't know anyone who is really. The Z button placement is uncomfortable in relation to the triggers, and the button layout places too much emphasis on the large A button. The 64 one wasn't perfect, especially to people accustomed to today's "standardized" layout, but it had some great features.

[Lucien]

is it wrong if I love using the wii remote sideways

[Cable]

is it wrong if I love using the wii remote sideways

The trigger, and shape to accommodate it, was the only thing that bugged me. It was a bit strange to use it on games created for sideways play. Otherwise, I went back and forth using a Classic controller and the sideways mote. I think it was out of laziness for not plugging in the classic.

[ariich]

It helped for grinding, especially for materials needed to craft the best weapons.

Another thing I really enjoyed was the Star Wars like story. I gather there are more interesting stories within the FF universe but having never played any others I was quite content. Some of the cutscenes like the attack on the Armada were really awesome and the whole airship thing has fascinated me.

The story had some great stuff, but overall I thought it was a bit weak for the FF series. Some of the politics lent an interesting edge but it ended up getting a bit convoluted and I thought the end felt slightly anti-climactic.

I totally agree with you guys about the gameplay though, easily my favourite FF from a purely combat point of view. I would prefer they do that sort of thing more often, rather than the traditional turn-based stuff which I don't find very interesting.

[Randaran]

Nintendo may have finally given me ample reason to buy a Wii U, thanks to Fatal Frame, Super Mario Maker, and of course stuff we knew about before like Wii U Zelda and Pikmin 3.

Even having only a few games, I've had mine for a year and can't complain. Mario Kart 8 is fantastic, New SMBU/Luigi U is really fun, NintendoLand is a great time-killer, and NES Remix is cool for parties if you're a fan of the old NES games. Plus they're starting to add N64 and NDS games to the mix on Virtual Console. Planning on getting the first New SMB soon, and being able to play it on my TV is gonna be awesome! Can't wait for Mario Maker. That's gonna be epic!

If Nintendo announced that they were remaking the N-64 controller with modern hardware, I'd buy a Wii-U tomorrow.

But you can already use the far superior Gamecube controller...

I prefer the N64 controller, and I'm not just busting balls. I'm not a fan of the Gamecube controller.

As a long time Nintendo fan, I'm not a fan of the GC one either. Don't know anyone who is really. The Z button placement is uncomfortable in relation to the triggers, and the button layout places too much emphasis on the large A button. The 64 one wasn't perfect, especially to people accustomed to today's "standardized" layout, but it had some great features.

The Z button is the only one of your points that I agree with, and even that is exaggerated. The emphasis on the A button is what makes it one of my all time favorite controllers, as it is really easy to combine an A button press with any of the other face buttons. At the very least, it is perfect for playing Super Smash Bros.

[BlobVanDam]

The Z button is the only one of your points that I agree with, and even that is exaggerated. The emphasis on the A button is what makes it one of my all time favorite controllers, as it is really easy to combine an A button press with any of the other face buttons. At the very least, it is perfect for playing Super Smash Bros.

The Z button issue isn't exaggerated imo. Having to use the Z button in any game gave me serious pains down my hand very quickly because of the poorly thought out ergonomics. It was a total afterthought, and made it difficult to do certain actions as easily as it should have been.
The A button isn't really a problem, I just think the standard 4 equal buttons in the diamond layout is much more practical and usable overall.

[Bolsters]

I think the exaggerated A button worked for some games and not others, but overall I'd have preferred it not be so big. The Z button never bothered me, mostly because games would put things like the map on it or some menu, and you don't need your finger constantly on a button to bring those things up, so it worked out fine. The GCN controller also has my favourite trigger buttons, I liked that they were contoured and that they didn't resist too much, which made the variable sensitivity easier to use.

Overall I'd say it was a solid controller, maybe just overshadowed a bit by its revolutionary predecessor.

[BlobVanDam]

I think the exaggerated A button worked for some games and not others, but overall I'd have preferred it not be so big.

That about sums up my thoughts. For the more simplistic games, it was fine.
I did like the trigger molding, but not in conjunction with the Z button. Those raised edges made it awkward to use the Z button, but on their own they were quite comfortable. They were much better for analogue than digital usage though. I found them a bit sluggish for quick digital actions, which is why having both the analogue and digital L/R buttons like the PS/XBOX controllers is the best solution.

[Progmetty]

Someone gave me GTA V for my birthday, the last GTA game I'd played was Vice City and I was a huge fan of that. The one right after it I hated and quit early one, same as with the Russian guy GTA.
I had bought a copy of GTA V back around the time it was released and gave it away within a couple of weeks cause I found it dull as shit. Now GTA V is back like a bad penny and I have no games to play so I thought I'd give it another shot. Controls are garbage, the switching between more than one lead character is garbage, the improving/upgrading system is garbage, the city's layout is garbage, a true piece of shit game IMHO, but I'm stuck with it.
A friend was telling me that it's weird that I love Red Dead Redemption and Just Cause 2 but hate the latest GTA titles, I agree it's weird, I don't get it.

[cramx3]

Someone gave me GTA V for my birthday, the last GTA game I'd played was Vice City and I was a huge fan of that. The one right after it I hated and quit early one, same as with the Russian guy GTA.
I had bought a copy of GTA V back around the time it was released and gave it away within a couple of weeks cause I found it dull as shit. Now GTA V is back like a bad penny and I have no games to play so I thought I'd give it another shot. Controls are garbage, the switching between more than one lead character is garbage, the improving/upgrading system is garbage, the city's layout is garbage, a true piece of shit game IMHO, but I'm stuck with it.
A friend was telling me that it's weird that I love Red Dead Redemption and Just Cause 2 but hate the latest GTA titles, I agree it's weird, I don't get it.

You are a rare kind, that game is amazing.