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Re: Video Game Thread v. Wii4One
« Reply #595 on: December 11, 2014, 09:25:27 PM »
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« Reply #596 on: December 12, 2014, 07:28:48 AM »
I'm starting to think RPG has moved to a definition that I don't fully understand anymore, are role playing games specifically the ones that ask you to shape the looks of your character and chose their name?
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« Reply #597 on: December 12, 2014, 07:55:16 AM »
You can do that to a degree in the Call of Duty games these days. It's something that's a part of what an RPG can be, but it's not the end all be all for what makes an RPG imo.

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« Reply #598 on: December 12, 2014, 08:02:51 AM »
I'm starting to think RPG has moved to a definition that I don't fully understand anymore, are role playing games specifically the ones that ask you to shape the looks of your character and chose their name?

Well, aesthetically, Japanese RPGs and Western RPGs (while originally inspired by old school D&D type stuff) have evolved into two completely different genres.

See, I used to consider games where you get to name your characters to be RPGs, which included Legend of Zelda, but there's been a ton of arguments against Zelda being an RPG, because you don't get to level up your character, etc. Meanwhile, games like Final Fantasy, which were the biggest, most popular Japanese RPG franchise, stopped bothering with letting you name your characters.

It seems like as time goes on, Western RPGs are the ones that are more focused on customization, letting you shape your character and the game world based on your own decisions in the way you see fit, with games like Mass Effect, Skyrim, Fallout, etc. Although more action focused games like Deus Ex still count, because of the decision making and the skill customization aspect of it, even though it feels pretty much like a regular First Person Shooter.

Meanwhile, most Japanese RPGs, even the ones that let you choose your name and dialogue choices, like Persona 3, are more focused on just telling an epic, character driven story. And the RPG aspect comes from leveling up, and in best of cases, choosing how you want your character to evolve combat wise, with spells, skills, etc. (In worst cases, each character is assigned his own set of skills and you just have to grind for a bit to learn them. No customization whatsoever.)

Of course, more often than not, that combat building element, where you customize your skills still exists in Western RPGs, but in games like Mass Effect 2, for example, that's extremely limited, only letting you choose a few variations for how your character plays.
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« Reply #599 on: December 12, 2014, 08:05:47 AM »
I would say an RPG is defined more by the approach to gameplay, rather than how customisable the characters are.

If the game involves a substantial element of exploration AND interaction with other characters (not only in set pieces, but where you can interact when you want to do so) then I would say that it's either an RPG or has RPG elements.

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« Reply #600 on: December 12, 2014, 08:45:58 AM »
I would say an RPG is defined more by the approach to gameplay, rather than how customisable the characters are.

If the game involves a substantial element of exploration AND interaction with other characters (not only in set pieces, but where you can interact when you want to do so) then I would say that it's either an RPG or has RPG elements.

Try telling that to Square Enix.  :lol
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Re: Video Game Thread v. Wii4One
« Reply #601 on: December 12, 2014, 08:59:47 AM »
Ive never been the biggest RPG guy, more of a FPS type of gamer although I love FPS with RPG elements.  But would you say that an RPG is also defined by a changing storyline dependent on your actions?

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« Reply #602 on: December 12, 2014, 09:27:11 AM »
Ive never been the biggest RPG guy, more of a FPS type of gamer although I love FPS with RPG elements.  But would you say that an RPG is also defined by a changing storyline dependent on your actions?

Personally, yes, I think it requires both, story and mechanical choices. So, allowing you to assign skill points and things like that, something that does exist in games like Call of Duty, is just one part of it, and as a result, Call of Duty isn't an RPG, but an FPS with RPG elements.

And the story element is the other essential factor, giving you choices either in dialogue, or in exploration, or both, like in Fallout 3, or Deus Ex, which are RPGs with FPS elements instead.

But I would say that having just one of the two elements is not enough. Even story wise, look at all the Telltales Games, like The Walking Dead, or Wolf Among Us, or even Quantic Dream games like Heavy Rain. They're adventure games where you get to affect how the story plays out, but lack of mechanical evolution is what keeps it from being an RPG.

Character customization though, I think is just something cool, that allows people to have a more personalized experience. But if you look at games like The Witcher. It's still an RPG, even though you can't customize your character's appearance.

I do think it's pretty cool though that if those two elements are present, a game is, and feels like an RPG, no matter what kinds of combat mechanics there are. I mean, Mass Effect plays like a third person shooter, Deus Ex like an FPS, other games take on the form of hack and slash, so it's very versatile in that respect. Which is why I think we shouldn't define games based on their core gameplay mechanics, because it doesn't always express the essence of what we get out of it. This video explains it a lot better:

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« Reply #603 on: December 12, 2014, 10:37:01 AM »
With all the talk of FF, I'll update.  I'm nearly at the end of FF7: Crisis Core on the PSP.  I have absolutely LOVED it!

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« Reply #604 on: December 12, 2014, 10:39:25 AM »
Never played it, but yeah, from what I hear, it's the one FF7 spinoff that's not a complete abortion.
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« Reply #605 on: December 12, 2014, 10:56:54 AM »
I can't believe how expensive N64 games are. You'd think there'd be plenty of copies of Mario Kart floating around.

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« Reply #606 on: December 12, 2014, 02:13:23 PM »
wouldnt of thought that either, good thing i still have mine and my games including mario kart  :biggrin:

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« Reply #607 on: December 12, 2014, 09:32:03 PM »
I can't believe how expensive N64 games are. You'd think there'd be plenty of copies of Mario Kart floating around.

In the past few years it's crossed the line into "retro" territory, so it's becoming more sought after by collectors. And anyone who has a copy of Mario Kart 64 isn't giving it up that easily. :lol If you have a 64, you want/have Mario Kart, along with Goldeneye.
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« Reply #608 on: December 12, 2014, 10:50:05 PM »
I can't believe how expensive N64 games are. You'd think there'd be plenty of copies of Mario Kart floating around.

In the past few years it's crossed the line into "retro" territory, so it's becoming more sought after by collectors. And anyone who has a copy of Mario Kart 64 isn't giving it up that easily. :lol If you have a 64, you want/have Mario Kart, along with Goldeneye.

I had a dream a while ago that I was at a store, and I saw a mint condition Sega Saturn for really cheap, so I was like, "Maybe I'll buy it and start collecting for it," but then I saw what games they were selling, and they were like, shovelware, so I thought, "Man, it would be difficult to collect for this system without breaking serious bank. Not worth it."  :lol

But it's not untrue for 5th generation consoles, these days.
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Re: Video Game Thread v. Wii4One
« Reply #609 on: December 13, 2014, 01:46:36 AM »
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« Reply #610 on: December 13, 2014, 01:57:57 AM »
If you don't actually do anything, then what makes it a game? Isn't that just...... watching stuff?
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« Reply #611 on: December 13, 2014, 02:10:29 AM »
Sounds like I could watch it on Youtube and not miss out on anything. Why "play" it?

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« Reply #612 on: December 13, 2014, 02:11:37 AM »
Sounds like I could watch it on Youtube and not miss out on anything. Why "play" it?

I assume it's at least somewhat randomized each time, otherwise there would be no point viewing it twice.
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« Reply #613 on: December 13, 2014, 02:15:20 AM »
Sounds like I could watch it on Youtube and not miss out on anything. Why "play" it?
I assume it's at least somewhat randomized each time, otherwise there would be no point viewing it twice.
I figured there would be some randomisation. But if you have no control over what happens, you still wouldn't miss anything watching a Youtube video. It might have been different had you played it, but you still didn't influence what happened at all.

I suppose the experience could also be different if you have control of the camera, but that's hardly significant.

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« Reply #614 on: December 13, 2014, 08:47:31 AM »
I can't believe how expensive N64 games are. You'd think there'd be plenty of copies of Mario Kart floating around.

In the past few years it's crossed the line into "retro" territory, so it's becoming more sought after by collectors. And anyone who has a copy of Mario Kart 64 isn't giving it up that easily. :lol If you have a 64, you want/have Mario Kart, along with Goldeneye.
I have an N64 but I don't own nor do I particularly want a copy of Mario Kart. I actually don't own any copies of Mario Kart. not for the SNES nor for the GC.

I do have Goldeneye though.

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« Reply #615 on: December 14, 2014, 03:37:00 AM »
Started playing Ryse Son of Rome on the Xbox One. The gameplay is so linear and repetitive, but the story and setting keep me wanting to play it. The beach storming scene is just badass. Reminds me of the 300 movies or Saving Private Ryan.

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« Reply #616 on: December 14, 2014, 10:05:20 AM »
Started playing Ryse Son of Rome on the Xbox One. The gameplay is so linear and repetitive, but the story and setting keep me wanting to play it. The beach storming scene is just badass. Reminds me of the 300 movies or Saving Private Ryan.

While it sucks that the gameplay feels repetitive, I'm always happy to see a game where the storyline is so engaging that it keeps people playing in spite of mediocre gameplay.
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« Reply #617 on: December 14, 2014, 01:17:19 PM »
Started playing Ryse Son of Rome on the Xbox One. The gameplay is so linear and repetitive, but the story and setting keep me wanting to play it. The beach storming scene is just badass. Reminds me of the 300 movies or Saving Private Ryan.

While it sucks that the gameplay feels repetitive, I'm always happy to see a game where the storyline is so engaging that it keeps people playing in spite of mediocre gameplay.
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« Reply #618 on: December 16, 2014, 08:23:40 AM »
I can't believe how expensive N64 games are. You'd think there'd be plenty of copies of Mario Kart floating around.

In the past few years it's crossed the line into "retro" territory, so it's becoming more sought after by collectors. And anyone who has a copy of Mario Kart 64 isn't giving it up that easily. :lol If you have a 64, you want/have Mario Kart, along with Goldeneye.

Back in the day I had an N64 with a library of games about 40 strong. I had all the classics. Starfox, Donkey Kong, Mario Party, Mario Kart, Mario 64, Pokemon Snap, Diddy Kong Racing, Perfect Dark, Pokemon Snap, Golden Eye, etc... The N64 ended up in a campfire one night. About 5 years went buy and I finally bought a new one. I haven't the slightest clue where the game collection is. I tore my parents' house apart looking for them and all that turned up was All Star baseball 98. I haven't the slightest clue what happened to them. It's possible I sold them, and if that's the case, I'm ashamed that I can't remember doing that.

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« Reply #619 on: December 16, 2014, 08:24:50 AM »
There's no way your parents just had a yard sale one day without your knowing?
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« Reply #620 on: December 16, 2014, 08:27:15 AM »
There's no way your parents just had a yard sale one day without your knowing?

Absolutely not. Everything else is still there (memory cards, rumble backs, gb cartridge adapter). My Sega Saturn and games are still there. My PS2 and games are still there. Everything, as far as I can remember, was all in the same tote in my closet. I can't for the life of me figure out why just the N64 games are missing.

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« Reply #621 on: December 16, 2014, 08:31:43 AM »
Beats me. A lot of my old game stuff has disappeared. My PS1, my old Sega GameGear and all the games for it, same with GameBoy Color. I hope my mom sold it, because if she just threw it out when she moved, that's kind of depressing.
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Re: Video Game Thread v. Wii4One
« Reply #622 on: December 16, 2014, 08:45:06 AM »
Played NFL Blitz on the N64 last night with my brother and his friend.  That game is so much fun.

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Re: Video Game Thread v. Wii4One
« Reply #623 on: December 16, 2014, 09:01:24 AM »
That game was a blast. I had all the followup games on PS2 as well (NHL Hitz, Slugfest, etc). I wish they continued that series.

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« Reply #624 on: December 16, 2014, 09:11:00 AM »
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Re: Video Game Thread v. Wii4One
« Reply #625 on: December 16, 2014, 10:26:04 AM »
Been playing the old, obscure Neopets: The Darkest Faerie for the PS2 for the past few days out of nostalgia, and god it's cheesier than I remember  :lol That's to be expected of course. What's surprising me right now is that like in HALF the tracks in the game have time signature changes that I never noticed before. No wonder I've been trying to get the soundtrack for years. Too bad the composer hasn't gotten back to me about selling it  :(
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« Reply #626 on: December 16, 2014, 10:31:33 AM »
You can't find a rip of it somewhere online?
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« Reply #627 on: December 16, 2014, 11:52:19 AM »
I did a quick search on some tracker sites, but there are only the OST of Mass Effect, Jade Empire and Myst. Curiously, it seems that he made the Myst IV soundtrack along with Peter Gabriel :omg: .

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« Reply #628 on: December 16, 2014, 01:23:50 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/user/cookiechicken/videos

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« Reply #629 on: December 16, 2014, 02:50:03 PM »
If you really want it, you can rip the audio. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEjYLETbR-A