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The way news is delivered by region.
« on: August 12, 2014, 10:31:18 AM »
So I've been keeping an eye on this Christy Mack thing and noticed that both Huffington Post and Huffington Post UK display the stories very differently.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/11/christy-mack-hospitalized_n_5669191.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular


UK:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/08/12/porn-star-christy-mack-tweets-alleged-brutal-beating-boyfriend-war-machine-jon-koppenhaver_n_5670947.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

The US barely covers anything and only has a pic of her with her BF. The UK version has all the pictures she uploaded of her face smashed in. Why is this??

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« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2014, 10:45:17 AM »
Not to go off on a tangent, but this is fucking tragic.
I'll freely admit I'm a fan of Christy Mack(In and Out of the porn industry), and this broke my heart to read this morning.
Abusive people like "War Machine" are the sludge of the earth, and I hope he goes to jail for a very very very long time.
I also can't believe the amount of victim blaming I'm seeing on the internet.
People can be disgusting sacks of shit sometimes.

As for your topic's intent, maybe the US version might have found the pictures she put up a little too graphic? Although that doesn't explain the extra detail in the article from the UK version. I'll have to compare more after class when I don't have people looking over my shoulder, and post more later.
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« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2014, 11:00:25 AM »
Yeah. I was pretty blown back by this. I really like Christy Mack (both in and outside the porn industry).

The US version says;

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"Jonathan Koppenhaver is accused of beating porn star Christy Mack on Friday evening in an attack that left her with "serious" but not "life-threatening" injuries, "

The UK version says;
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"She wrote: “Without a single word spoken, he began beating my friend; once he was finished, he sent my friend away and turned his attention to me. He made me undress and shower in front of him, then dragged me out and beat my face.

“I have no recollection of how many times I was hit, I just know that my injuries resulted from my beating.

“My injuries include 18 broken bones around my eyes, my nose is broken in 2 places, I am missing teeth and several are broken. I am unable to chew, or see out of my left eye.

“My speech is slurred from my swelling and lack of teeth. I have a fractured rib and severely ruptured liver from a kick to my side. My leg is so badly injured I have not been able to walk on my own.”

Mack, who says Koppenhaver broke up with her in May, added: “I also attained several lesions from a knife he got from my kitchen. He pushed the knife in me in some areas such as my hand, ear, and head. He also sawed off much of my hair with this dull knife.

“After some time, the knife broke off the handle and [he] continued to threaten me with the blade.

“I believed I was going to die. He has beaten me many time before, but never this badly.”

I just don't see how the content in the UK could not be important enough in the US to not include.

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« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2014, 11:05:23 AM »
Ah, I'll have to reread, I quickly scrolled through in class, I didn't think people would really like some of the photos.

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« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2014, 11:09:30 AM »
So is it victim blaming to proffer a very sold What the Fuck! to this?
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« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2014, 11:47:15 AM »
Until you posted this, I hadn't heard of it at all, and I've only heard of her at all from people here.

Not defending any news service anywhere, but stuff like this happens all the time.  Doesn't make it any less tragic, obviously, and no one deserves that abuse, but I'm not sure how "newsworthy" it is to a national news service.  Not sure that a porn star counts as a celebrity.

I don't know.  Maybe.
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« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2014, 11:53:04 AM »
I'm more curious is the different way Huffington Post goes about delivering its news. Not the news itself. Why is the story not the same in both regions? The stuff in the UK article seems far more important.

And porn stars 100% count as celebrities.
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« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2014, 12:31:55 PM »
Some might, but she seems to be more of a niche pornstar, and not really a celebrity per se. I'd never heard of her either (and after seeing some pictures, there's no reason why I would have).
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« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2014, 12:56:34 PM »
I'm more curious is the different way Huffington Post goes about delivering it's news. Not the news itself. Why is the story not the same in both regions? The stuff in the UK article seems far more important.
I'm not sure why the info is different (other than different editors making different choices), but to me the odd thing is the amount of detail in the UK version, not the brevity of the US version.
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« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2014, 01:15:08 PM »
Damn, any dude who would do that to a woman is a maggot, plain and simple.   That might even be an insult to maggots.

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« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2014, 04:01:20 PM »
Look, I'm not naïve to the industry, I know my fair share of adult talent, but I've never heard of her or seen her before.  Or him for that matter.

I think Hef has it mostly right:  it's really about choices, and I wouldn't EVER use HuffPo as a bellweather of what all news outlets might do.   Having said that, American news outlets are a shade more puritanical than their UK counterparts.   I don't know what actually seeing her closed eye does for the telling of the story.  Would Haverhoffer or whatever his name is (I can't even be bothered to look up the pig's name) be any less of a piece of crap if her eye DIDN'T close?  Or if she didn't lose a tooth? 

I am FAR more outraged by the three pieces of information that is common to both:  the tweets he allegedly sent out after.  That he even seeks to justify or downplay it by saying he was there to offer a ring is delusional to the point of psychotic.   He may be a "War Machine", but I can't posit any credible or likely scenario where he had to fight her for his "life". 

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« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2014, 04:53:39 PM »
Look, I'm not naïve to the industry, I know my fair share of adult talent, but I've never heard of her or seen her before.  Or him for that matter.

I think Hef has it mostly right:  it's really about choices, and I wouldn't EVER use HuffPo as a bellweather of what all news outlets might do.   Having said that, American news outlets are a shade more puritanical than their UK counterparts.   I don't know what actually seeing her closed eye does for the telling of the story.  Would Haverhoffer or whatever his name is (I can't even be bothered to look up the pig's name) be any less of a piece of crap if her eye DIDN'T close?  Or if she didn't lose a tooth? 

I am FAR more outraged by the three pieces of information that is common to both:  the tweets he allegedly sent out after.  That he even seeks to justify or downplay it by saying he was there to offer a ring is delusional to the point of psychotic.   He may be a "War Machine", but I can't posit any credible or likely scenario where he had to fight her for his "life".
I was going to throw out the puritan aspect, as well, albeit in a different context. Despite the individual American's fondness for pr0n, the collective American has a serious problem with it. I suspect that part of the media's different coverage might be because it doesn't want to spend much effort in defending a girl such as herself. As far as the American collective goes, she's probably not as important as other women. And let's not kid ourselves, insofar as America goes, the people involved are far more important than what might have happened or any message/commentary about beating a woman half to death.
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Re: The way news is delivered by region.
« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2014, 06:07:02 PM »
I love Christy Mack. Even outside of porn she's great. Apparently several companies in the industry are pooling money for a reward for War Machine's whereabouts. Flesh Light just threw in $5k.

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« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2014, 07:12:21 AM »
I love Christy Mack. Even outside of porn she's great. Apparently several companies in the industry are pooling money for a reward for War Machine's whereabouts. Flesh Light just threw in $5k.

You're the third or fourth person to say "even outside of porn"... what does that mean?   Is she a cross-over like Tracy Lords or Teri Weigel?  Or is this just a way of saying "I don't watch porn, but I like her anyway."


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« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2014, 07:16:48 AM »
I was going to throw out the puritan aspect, as well, albeit in a different context. Despite the individual American's fondness for pr0n, the collective American has a serious problem with it. I suspect that part of the media's different coverage might be because it doesn't want to spend much effort in defending a girl such as herself. As far as the American collective goes, she's probably not as important as other women. And let's not kid ourselves, insofar as America goes, the people involved are far more important than what might have happened or any message/commentary about beating a woman half to death.

Interesting points there that I hadn't thought of (about the defense of the "porn star").  There is the implication that she brought this on herself (why else the emphasis on the "friend" - no gender qualifier - and the emphasis on that they were fully clothed. 

But the last point hit home the most:  do you really think that it is the sensationalism of the event and the fact that they are nominally "celebrities" that gets the air time?  Do you think people are that indifferent to the plight of a woman being beaten (these are legitimate questions)?

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« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2014, 08:05:02 AM »
I love Christy Mack. Even outside of porn she's great. Apparently several companies in the industry are pooling money for a reward for War Machine's whereabouts. Flesh Light just threw in $5k.

You're the third or fourth person to say "even outside of porn"... what does that mean?   Is she a cross-over like Tracy Lords or Teri Weigel?  Or is this just a way of saying "I don't watch porn, but I like her anyway."

No. I love her in porn. But I've followed her on Instagram and Twitter for as long as she's been on them. The following goes for a lot of porn stars, not just Mack. You see their lives off set. You see where they live, their animals, stuff they go do with their friends, what they look like without make up, pictures of their family and children, the things they like, etc.. You get a real idea of who they are as a person, and in a lot of cases come to realize that their porn presence is strictly a heavily stigma'd acting job.

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« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2014, 08:15:49 AM »
That's odd to me.  I'm not a heavy porn user at all (in fact almost not at all anymore) but back in the day, I had no issue with it.  But I grew up in the 80's so it was the Tracy Lords, the Christy Canyons, the Savannahs, the Shauna Grants (she had a stage name that I can't remember), Peter North, Tommy Byron, etc.    And it was fairly innocuous.  Porn these days is getting VERY extreme, and some of the stuff that is fairly common place I can't even describe here.  But it is a psychology class in and of itself to view some of that then see the woman with her kids going to Stop and Shop, isn't it?  Is that "humanizing" a way of offsetting the stuff on camera?  Or am I WAYYYYY overthinking this? :)   

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« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2014, 08:24:20 AM »
But it is a psychology class in and of itself to view some of that then see the woman with her kids going to Stop and Shop, isn't it?  Is that "humanizing" a way of offsetting the stuff on camera?  Or am I WAYYYYY overthinking this? :)

Definitely, but the stuff on camera isn't all that out there. I'll admit, there is some pretty twisted stuff, but I think the world's overall view on sex has changed since the days of Chisty Canyons, Letha Weapons, Tiffany Towers, Sana Fey, and Holly Body. My girlfriend and I go into sex shops every now and them and get all kinds of fun stuff. Stuff that if you showed in porn 20-30 years ago would have been just as shocking and degrading as the stuff you are referring to in today's industry. I think the social media element actually helps to allow those kinds of scenes. You really see how much of it is acting, just like wrestling. I also really like to watch the behind the scenes stuff; the prepping of the scenes, discussions with the casts, etc.. Bloopers are always fun too. I don't think people realize just how much work and time can go into a scene. Those 20-30 minutes scenes you can watch online require hours of footage. That's not easy to do. If I make it 25 minutes in real life, I feel like a king who needs two days of sleep.

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« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2014, 10:03:10 AM »
Tragic. The shitstain should suffer the same beating if not worse... But looking at her Wikipedia page.... Are those real?

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« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2014, 10:43:36 AM »
No.

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« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2014, 12:52:55 PM »
But it is a psychology class in and of itself to view some of that then see the woman with her kids going to Stop and Shop, isn't it?  Is that "humanizing" a way of offsetting the stuff on camera?  Or am I WAYYYYY overthinking this? :)

Definitely, but the stuff on camera isn't all that out there. I'll admit, there is some pretty twisted stuff, but I think the world's overall view on sex has changed since the days of Chisty Canyons, Letha Weapons, Tiffany Towers, Sana Fey, and Holly Body. My girlfriend and I go into sex shops every now and them and get all kinds of fun stuff. Stuff that if you showed in porn 20-30 years ago would have been just as shocking and degrading as the stuff you are referring to in today's industry. I think the social media element actually helps to allow those kinds of scenes. You really see how much of it is acting, just like wrestling. I also really like to watch the behind the scenes stuff; the prepping of the scenes, discussions with the casts, etc.. Bloopers are always fun too. I don't think people realize just how much work and time can go into a scene. Those 20-30 minutes scenes you can watch online require hours of footage. That's not easy to do. If I make it 25 minutes in real life, I feel like a king who needs two days of sleep.

Bloopers in porn? :rollin :rollin :rollin

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« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2014, 12:56:35 PM »
I can only imagine the embarrassing shit that goes on.
Case in point.
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« Reply #22 on: August 13, 2014, 01:12:17 PM »
But the last point hit home the most:  do you really think that it is the sensationalism of the event and the fact that they are nominally "celebrities" that gets the air time?  Do you think people are that indifferent to the plight of a woman being beaten (these are legitimate questions)?
Sadly yes. We've been moving for some time in the direction that events are just a vehicle to watch interpersonal drama (real or manufactured). Getting pummeled by some scum-ridden shitbag doesn't even make the local news. The same situation involving people with sensationalistic professions gets some coverage and propels them both into celebrity. This girl's going to be far more popular now than she ever was, and considering what happened I've got no problem with that, but none of this really addresses a very real and serious problem. 
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« Reply #23 on: August 13, 2014, 01:47:31 PM »
But the last point hit home the most:  do you really think that it is the sensationalism of the event and the fact that they are nominally "celebrities" that gets the air time?  Do you think people are that indifferent to the plight of a woman being beaten (these are legitimate questions)?
Sadly yes. We've been moving for some time in the direction that events are just a vehicle to watch interpersonal drama (real or manufactured). Getting pummeled by some scum-ridden shitbag doesn't even make the local news. The same situation involving people with sensationalistic professions gets some coverage and propels them both into celebrity. This girl's going to be far more popular now than she ever was, and considering what happened I've got no problem with that, but none of this really addresses a very real and serious problem.

She's already huge in the industry. I'd be willing to bet she leaves the industry after this. I wouldn't be surprised if we find the MMA fighter dead.

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« Reply #24 on: August 13, 2014, 02:06:53 PM »
But the last point hit home the most:  do you really think that it is the sensationalism of the event and the fact that they are nominally "celebrities" that gets the air time?  Do you think people are that indifferent to the plight of a woman being beaten (these are legitimate questions)?
Sadly yes. We've been moving for some time in the direction that events are just a vehicle to watch interpersonal drama (real or manufactured). Getting pummeled by some scum-ridden shitbag doesn't even make the local news. The same situation involving people with sensationalistic professions gets some coverage and propels them both into celebrity. This girl's going to be far more popular now than she ever was, and considering what happened I've got no problem with that, but none of this really addresses a very real and serious problem.

She's already huge in the industry. I'd be willing to bet she leaves the industry after this. I wouldn't be surprised if we find the MMA fighter dead.

Talk to me about that; "friends of hers" involved in the industry taking up her side? 

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« Reply #25 on: August 13, 2014, 02:11:52 PM »
I can only imagine the embarrassing shit that goes on.
Case in point.

Yeah, some of the "bloopers" ruin it for me.  I'm not a big one for breaking the fourth wall in that way.   I don't want to see Harrison Ford as Han Solo snarfing his soda while trying to give a line, any more than I want to see Sunny Leone (god is she hot) or Asa Akira break down with giggles in the middle of a DP scene. 

I also don't like it when they talk to the cameraman, or they stare into the camera the entire scene.

(Though there are some mildly entertaining ones - particularly the look on the guy's face - involving the gag reflex that went too far). 

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« Reply #26 on: August 13, 2014, 03:12:34 PM »
But the last point hit home the most:  do you really think that it is the sensationalism of the event and the fact that they are nominally "celebrities" that gets the air time?  Do you think people are that indifferent to the plight of a woman being beaten (these are legitimate questions)?
Sadly yes. We've been moving for some time in the direction that events are just a vehicle to watch interpersonal drama (real or manufactured). Getting pummeled by some scum-ridden shitbag doesn't even make the local news. The same situation involving people with sensationalistic professions gets some coverage and propels them both into celebrity. This girl's going to be far more popular now than she ever was, and considering what happened I've got no problem with that, but none of this really addresses a very real and serious problem.

She's already huge in the industry. I'd be willing to bet she leaves the industry after this. I wouldn't be surprised if we find the MMA fighter dead.
Of course she'll leave the industry. She has far more lucrative doors opening for her now, unless she's an idiot, in which case I doubt you'd be a fan.
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