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Offline bl5150

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Re: Best of the RoadRunner Albums.
« Reply #35 on: August 10, 2014, 06:44:11 PM »
DT12

ADTOE



BCSL



SC
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Re: Best of the RoadRunner Albums.
« Reply #36 on: August 10, 2014, 07:34:03 PM »
Quote from: bl5150 on August 10, 2014, 06:44:11 PM
DT12

ADTOE



BCSL



SC

This is my list exactly.....although I might put a few more spaces between the bottom two. 
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Re: Best of the RoadRunner Albums.
« Reply #37 on: August 10, 2014, 07:54:59 PM »
DT12
BCSL
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Re: Best of the RoadRunner Albums.
« Reply #38 on: August 10, 2014, 09:21:41 PM »
DT12
ADTOE

BC&SL



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Re: Best of the RoadRunner Albums.
« Reply #39 on: August 10, 2014, 10:39:54 PM »
ADTOE - Very consistent, even if it doesn't necessarily hit the highs of SC or even DT12. I like every song on the album.
SC - Aims high and misses often as a result, but the good songs more than make up for the rest. Also one of the most fun DT albums to listen to.


DT12 - Has a couple of good songs, but more than half don't leave much of an impression on me. Plus the crap mastering makes this really hard to listen to.




BC&SL - Very little I enjoy on this. All the songs (except Wither) feel incredibly bloated, overlong, and stale. Just overall the lazy song-writing and weak lyrics make this one of the more forgettable DT albums.

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Re: Best of the RoadRunner Albums.
« Reply #40 on: August 10, 2014, 10:45:29 PM »
ADTOE


DT12

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Re: Best of the RoadRunner Albums.
« Reply #41 on: August 10, 2014, 11:34:43 PM »
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Re: Best of the RoadRunner Albums.
« Reply #42 on: August 11, 2014, 01:52:05 AM »
A Dramatic Turn of Events. My number 1 DT album, full stop.
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Re: Best of the RoadRunner Albums.
« Reply #43 on: August 11, 2014, 02:53:19 AM »
DT12 for me, but still got to say that for me BC&SL probably has the best drums and guitar sound (after ToT) of all time
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Re: Best of the RoadRunner Albums.
« Reply #44 on: August 11, 2014, 03:12:11 AM »
A Dramatic Turn Of Events, no contest.
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Re: Best of the RoadRunner Albums.
« Reply #45 on: August 11, 2014, 03:29:35 AM »
ADTOE easily.
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Re: Best of the RoadRunner Albums.
« Reply #46 on: August 11, 2014, 03:30:42 AM »
It's clear from the poll which pair of albums people prefer !

Also it shows which is everyone's least favourite ;D

It's like 3 polls in one !
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Re: Best of the RoadRunner Albums.
« Reply #47 on: August 11, 2014, 04:09:03 AM »
It also shows that song writing is more important the production to most people. Having said that, I don't think the production on ADTOE is bad at all but BC&SL is a great sounding album.

I voted ADTOE. I think given everything that happened, they came out with a really strong album which I think is a huge credit to the guys.
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Re: Best of the RoadRunner Albums.
« Reply #48 on: August 11, 2014, 04:11:23 AM »
Easily DT
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Re: Best of the RoadRunner Albums.
« Reply #49 on: August 11, 2014, 04:20:33 AM »
Quote from: puppyonacid on August 11, 2014, 04:09:03 AM
It also shows that song writing is more important the production to most people.

Not really. None of these albums really has great production, with ADTOE being the only one with noticeably worse production than the rest in the poll. The others are about equal, all things considered. And songwriting is thoroughly subjective, so that's just opinion.

This poll only shows that a lot more people on DTF prefer ADTOE and DT12. No surprises there.
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Re: Best of the RoadRunner Albums.
« Reply #50 on: August 11, 2014, 04:33:02 AM »
I'll never understand the hate for DT12's production. I think it sounds great, I can hear every instrument clearly and that drum sound is fantastic!  :hefdaddy I think it's their best produced album in a very long time.
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Re: Best of the RoadRunner Albums.
« Reply #51 on: August 11, 2014, 06:58:07 AM »
Granted it's their most in your face album production wise but that snare sound really ruins some songs.

The HD mix sounds better but there's not a huge difference.

Snare is too loud and overheads are too quiet.

The in your face mix wears thin by the end of the album.

Octavarium is my favourite for production.
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Re: Best of the RoadRunner Albums.
« Reply #52 on: August 11, 2014, 07:29:53 AM »
Quote from: Mosh on August 11, 2014, 04:33:02 AM
I'll never understand the hate for DT12's production. I think it sounds great, I can hear every instrument clearly and that drum sound is fantastic!  :hefdaddy I think it's their best produced album in a very long time.

So much this, i really like the in-your-face kind of thing with the snare, not so much the sound itself, but can clearly hear everything.
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Re: Best of the RoadRunner Albums.
« Reply #53 on: August 11, 2014, 07:31:38 AM »
BTW guys, wasn't during SC that MP said that they spent almost $500K on production? does anybody else has other numbers?
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Re: Best of the RoadRunner Albums.
« Reply #54 on: August 11, 2014, 07:34:46 AM »
Quote from: Knguro on August 11, 2014, 07:31:38 AM
BTW guys, wasn't during SC that MP said that they spent almost $500K on production? does anybody else has other numbers?

That sounds familiar, probably either on the Chaos in Progress or Chaos in Motion DVDs. I don't recall them giving any other numbers.
I think that number is mostly the amount of time they spend in the studio writing and recording, rather than impacting the quality of the mixing and mastering.
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Re: Best of the RoadRunner Albums.
« Reply #55 on: August 11, 2014, 07:37:04 AM »
DT12
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BC&SL
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Re: Best of the RoadRunner Albums.
« Reply #56 on: August 11, 2014, 07:39:07 AM »
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Quote from: Knguro on August 11, 2014, 07:31:38 AM
BTW guys, wasn't during SC that MP said that they spent almost $500K on production? does anybody else has other numbers?

That sounds familiar, probably either on the Chaos in Progress or Chaos in Motion DVDs. I don't recall them giving any other numbers.
I think that number is mostly the amount of time they spend in the studio writing and recording, rather than impacting the quality of the mixing and mastering.


Noup, i think it happened during a TMS if not mistaking. But, yeah time on studio sounds reasonable since they almost spend 3 or 4 months.
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Re: Best of the RoadRunner Albums.
« Reply #57 on: August 11, 2014, 07:47:57 AM »
Quote from: nikatapi on August 11, 2014, 03:12:11 AM
A Dramatic Turn Of Events, no contest.
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Re: Best of the RoadRunner Albums.
« Reply #58 on: August 11, 2014, 07:54:26 AM »
Quote from: BlobVanDam on August 11, 2014, 04:20:33 AM
Quote from: puppyonacid on August 11, 2014, 04:09:03 AM
It also shows that song writing is more important the production to most people.

Not really. None of these albums really has great production, with ADTOE being the only one with noticeably worse production than the rest in the poll. The others are about equal, all things considered. And songwriting is thoroughly subjective, so that's just opinion.

This poll only shows that a lot more people on DTF prefer ADTOE and DT12. No surprises there.

Noticably worse?

Nah. 

The only complaints I have about ADTOE's production are minor such as the drums being a bit tame sounding. 

None of the four albums sound "bad" but the first two definitely have a more "chunky" sound.  Works well for those albums but it does not make the production "better"
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Re: Best of the RoadRunner Albums.
« Reply #59 on: August 11, 2014, 10:33:38 AM »
Might as well:

DT12
ADTOE

SC


BC&SL
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Re: Best of the RoadRunner Albums.
« Reply #60 on: August 11, 2014, 11:14:43 AM »
Ooh you dir'y ro'ah ! You've twisted me bleedin' arm ! You bah-stud !!

1. ADTOE
2. DT12
3. SC
4. BC&SL

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Re: Best of the RoadRunner Albums.
« Reply #61 on: August 11, 2014, 11:31:31 AM »
DT12
ADTOE


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Re: Best of the RoadRunner Albums.
« Reply #62 on: August 11, 2014, 12:00:47 PM »
Quote from: BlobVanDam on August 10, 2014, 11:12:30 AM
I'm going to be mostly alone on this, but SC is the best of them for me. I rank all of them close together at the bottom, but I loved BCASL when it came out, and I still enjoy SC a lot when I listen to it. ADTOE and DT12 were never great albums for me.

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ADTOE..Easily.

I agree. Blob doesn't agree but I think it was their most DT sounding album in a while.

It's quite a solid album, but it's just consistently average for me for the most part. No big high points or top DT songs imo, and the production sounds like a rough pre-mix. But it's not bad.

I'm going with Blob again!
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Re: Best of the RoadRunner Albums.
« Reply #63 on: August 11, 2014, 01:23:37 PM »
Quote from: Kotowboy on August 11, 2014, 06:58:07 AM
Granted it's their most in your face album production wise but that snare sound really ruins some songs.

The HD mix sounds better but there's not a huge difference.

Snare is too loud and overheads are too quiet.

The in your face mix wears thin by the end of the album.

Octavarium is my favourite for production.
idk, snare sounds great to me. I'd even venture to say it's my favorite drum sound on a Dream Theater album. Everything sounds crystal clear and I can really hear the intricacies of Mangini's drumming. This was difficult on ADTOE.

Octavarium is great too. I think my favorite for production would be a tossup between FII and Six Degrees. It's still too early to say for sure, but I can see DT12 competing with those two albums.
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Re: Best of the RoadRunner Albums.
« Reply #64 on: August 11, 2014, 01:53:16 PM »
Gonna go out on a limb and say DT12 has their worst drum sound ever.
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« Reply #65 on: August 11, 2014, 01:57:32 PM »
Quote from: Kotowboy on August 11, 2014, 01:53:16 PM
Gonna go out on a limb and say DT12 has their worst drum sound ever.

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Re: Best of the RoadRunner Albums.
« Reply #66 on: August 11, 2014, 02:06:24 PM »
Quote from: Kotowboy on August 11, 2014, 01:53:16 PM
Gonna go out on a limb and say DT12 has their worst drum sound ever.
ADTOE for me. The weak sounding drums go as far as to ruin a few songs.
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Re: Best of the RoadRunner Albums.
« Reply #67 on: August 11, 2014, 02:33:38 PM »
I'd rank them in the order they were released, but reverse (SC is by far my least favorite DT album). 

WRT production I'd say none of these albums are produced awfully well.  The only one that sounds alright is BCSL, and it really only just sounds alright.  Luckily I'm able to put up with lackluster production if the songwriting is good and the songwriting on the most recent two albums has been very good.
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Re: Best of the RoadRunner Albums.
« Reply #68 on: August 11, 2014, 02:54:19 PM »
For me:

DT12
ADTOE
SC





BCSL
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Re: Best of the RoadRunner Albums.
« Reply #69 on: August 11, 2014, 03:50:36 PM »
Quote from: senecadawg2 on August 10, 2014, 06:22:14 PM
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ADTOE
BC&SL
SC
DT12

Just happens to be the same order as mine.   :tup
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