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How would you personally want the DVD released in terms of the live vocals?

Fix them up (LALP or more-so)
12 (14.1%)
Only very slightly if needed
34 (40%)
Only in an extreme case for one or two notes the whole night
18 (21.2%)
No, no changes at all please
21 (24.7%)

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Re: Do you hope the vocals on the new DVD will not be tampered with?
« Reply #70 on: July 24, 2014, 11:43:20 PM »
I know for a fact Score's vocals were touched up at least a little. The only audience-shot footage I've seen from Score is about 5 30 second videos, and just with that I've heard about 6 or 7 notes that were different from how they sound on the DVD. One of which wasn't even a mistake or anything, just an unnecessary change to make it slightly more like the studio version.

Okay, well, if they're changing things unnecessarily, ESPECIALLY to make them sound more like the studio version, then I definitely do NOT want to see those types of changes.

At certain parts I'd say they definitely are, at least to me. The part in Score I heard was the word "told" in "I was told if you dream of the next world" which was just hit as one note but on the DVD you hear "TOoold" (two notes) just like the album. Just one other example is that the "Haaaaand" in "Shaman take my haaand" originally had big vibrato and they re-recorded it without vibrato. And I think I already mentioned that they changed something in TROAE where I actually like the way it is in the audience recording WAAY more than I do on the DVD.

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Re: Do you hope the vocals on the new DVD will not be tampered with?
« Reply #71 on: July 25, 2014, 06:04:35 AM »
At certain parts I'd say they definitely are, at least to me. The part in Score I heard was the word "told" in "I was told if you dream of the next world" which was just hit as one note but on the DVD you hear "TOoold" (two notes) just like the album. Just one other example is that the "Haaaaand" in "Shaman take my haaand" originally had big vibrato and they re-recorded it without vibrato. And I think I already mentioned that they changed something in TROAE where I actually like the way it is in the audience recording WAAY more than I do on the DVD.

Okay, you're the one who started the topic by saying you want no changes at all for the new DVD. You're not helping your case, dude.  :lol
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Re: Do you hope the vocals on the new DVD will not be tampered with?
« Reply #72 on: July 25, 2014, 06:09:59 AM »
I hope they erase the vocals completely.
All the best DT sections are instrumental; imagine if they were instrumental all the time!!!

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Re: Do you hope the vocals on the new DVD will not be tampered with?
« Reply #73 on: July 25, 2014, 06:12:58 AM »
I hope they erase the vocals completely.
All the best DT sections are instrumental; imagine if they were instrumental all the time!!!
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Re: Do you hope the vocals on the new DVD will not be tampered with?
« Reply #74 on: July 25, 2014, 06:17:38 AM »
If there are a few off-key moments or screw-ups, just fix them. I've heard a lot of fans praise James in the concert threads this year, so there probably isn't a whole lot of stuff that needs to be edited. I understand why some people want no overdubs, but fixing live albums in the studio has been normal ever since the 70s (maybe even before that). But as Marco said on the first page, there are always bootlegs if you want to hear recordings that are 100% live.

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« Reply #75 on: July 25, 2014, 12:10:41 PM »
I hope they erase the vocals completely.
All the best DT sections are instrumental; imagine if they were instrumental all the time!!!

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Re: Do you hope the vocals on the new DVD will not be tampered with?
« Reply #76 on: July 25, 2014, 12:53:16 PM »
Please... don't start that.

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« Reply #77 on: July 25, 2014, 01:26:12 PM »
I hope they erase the vocals completely.
All the best DT sections are instrumental; imagine if they were instrumental all the time!!!

I know this was a joke post, but for BCSL, for which an instrumental-only version exists, this is actually not too far-fetched. There's quite a few sections on that album where just instrumental works better than with vocals.
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Re: Do you hope the vocals on the new DVD will not be tampered with?
« Reply #78 on: July 25, 2014, 02:13:49 PM »
If DT were an all-instrumental band, they wouldn't have even half the number of fans they have now :P

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Re: Do you hope the vocals on the new DVD will not be tampered with?
« Reply #79 on: July 25, 2014, 02:34:36 PM »
I hope they erase the vocals completely.
All the best DT sections are instrumental; imagine if they were instrumental all the time!!!

I know this was a joke post, but for BCSL, for which an instrumental-only version exists, this is actually not too far-fetched. There's quite a few sections on that album where just instrumental works better than with vocals.
For me, that would work better because of the questionable lyric choices, not because of James himself.
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Re: Do you hope the vocals on the new DVD will not be tampered with?
« Reply #80 on: July 25, 2014, 02:41:41 PM »
I hope they erase the vocals completely.
All the best DT sections are instrumental; imagine if they were instrumental all the time!!!

I know this was a joke post, but for BCSL, for which an instrumental-only version exists, this is actually not too far-fetched. There's quite a few sections on that album where just instrumental works better than with vocals.

But that version also didn't have any solos.
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Re: Do you hope the vocals on the new DVD will not be tampered with?
« Reply #81 on: July 25, 2014, 02:44:54 PM »
I hope they erase the vocals completely.
All the best DT sections are instrumental; imagine if they were instrumental all the time!!!

I know this was a joke post, but for BCSL, for which an instrumental-only version exists, this is actually not too far-fetched. There's quite a few sections on that album where just instrumental works better than with vocals.

But that version also didn't have any solos.
Forgot about that.
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Re: Do you hope the vocals on the new DVD will not be tampered with?
« Reply #82 on: July 25, 2014, 02:46:38 PM »
Forgot about that.

Although I'm sure there are people out there who'd say that AROP benefited from that as well.  ::)

And then, of course, there are the stems, so people can mix it any way they like.
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Re: Do you hope the vocals on the new DVD will not be tampered with?
« Reply #83 on: July 25, 2014, 02:51:59 PM »
Well, I'm not a fan of AROP in any way, so even though I'm not crazy about the Bebot solo, I don't necessarily think the song would be improved by removing it, or replacing it with a different solo.  May as well leave it in there.
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Re: Do you hope the vocals on the new DVD will not be tampered with?
« Reply #84 on: July 25, 2014, 05:00:29 PM »
Most of the time I don't like DT lyrics, so I'd rather just hear the songs instrumentally (which is why I'm signed up anyway), but that's only true of recent albums. I would still want to hear everything from images and words with lyrics.

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Re: Do you hope the vocals on the new DVD will not be tampered with?
« Reply #85 on: July 25, 2014, 05:13:07 PM »
I hope they erase the vocals completely.
All the best DT sections are instrumental; imagine if they were instrumental all the time!!!

I know this was a joke post, but for BCSL, for which an instrumental-only version exists, this is actually not too far-fetched. There's quite a few sections on that album where just instrumental works better than with vocals.
For me, that would work better because of the questionable lyric choices, not because of James himself.


Interestingly, I'm actually not making a statement about James at all. I would say his singing is one of his best on BCSL.
It's just that when you listen to BCSL instrumental, you notice how "complete" the tunes are without the vocals. And I think that was a function of how they used to write their albums, with the music completely written and tracked, and then James would fly in.
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Re: Do you hope the vocals on the new DVD will not be tampered with?
« Reply #86 on: July 25, 2014, 10:05:52 PM »
Interestingly, I'm actually not making a statement about James at all.

MP on the other hand.
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Re: Do you hope the vocals on the new DVD will not be tampered with?
« Reply #87 on: July 25, 2014, 10:39:32 PM »
Please... don't start that.

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Re: Do you hope the vocals on the new DVD will not be tampered with?
« Reply #88 on: July 28, 2014, 02:40:07 AM »
I'm choosing no changes at all. Mostly because what I really want out of a live DVD is a quality recording of that live performance, just like I was there, but I can watch it over and over. Also I have taken into account that (from what I know) LaBrie probably did really well that night, and there are probably a few bum notes here and there at most. Not to mention, for me it tends to distract from the listening/watching experience when I find myself constantly asking myself "Do you think that note was real?? How about that one?" because I just always tend to wonder about that stuff.

Edit: I'd like to add that I'm 100% sure the DVD will be awesome whatever is done to it, but I still find this topic to be an important and interesting one to discuss.

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