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What is your familiarity with Led Zeppelin

Beginner (Stairway to where?)
8 (8.8%)
Intermediate (I know the radio hits)
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Advanced (I know some of the deep cuts; have a box-set)
32 (35.2%)
Expert (I even own Coda, and have watched The Song Remains the Same)
33 (36.3%)

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« Reply #35 on: July 19, 2014, 11:05:57 AM »
I'm somewhere in between Advanced and Expert. I have all the studio albums, but I've only really listened to the first four. Outside of that, I know Kashmir and that's pretty much it.


OMG! Dude! Houses of the Holy? Over the Hills and Far Away? The Rain Song? The Ocean?  I mean, i know D'yer Maker isa bit of a low point, but come on! No Quarter alone....
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« Reply #36 on: July 19, 2014, 11:21:14 AM »
I checked Advanced because speaking of Coda, Wearing And Tearing is a TAC Top 5 Zep tune.
would have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
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« Reply #37 on: July 19, 2014, 11:23:11 AM »
I checked Advanced because speaking of Coda, Wearing And Tearing is a TAC Top 5 Zep tune.

That is a quality tune, and the one thing that makes Coda bearable.  Top 5 is a stretch though.
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« Reply #38 on: July 19, 2014, 11:24:46 AM »
Ok, but definitely Top 10. I'll have to go through the list.
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« Reply #39 on: July 19, 2014, 11:44:41 AM »
I really hate the bad rap that Coda gets.   As a Led Zeppelin "album" it doesn't hold a candle to the others...but that's not really what it was ever meant to be.  If you think about it, the title itself is absolutely brilliant, because that's exactly what it is.  It's not a proper Led Zeppelin album at all, but more like a soliloquy, or an epitaph.   The title "Coda" really says it all. 

...and if they HADN'T released it, people would have done nothing but bitch about them not releasing the songs....so there's that too.   ::)

For what it is, I really like Coda, and I'm happy it exists. 
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« Reply #40 on: July 19, 2014, 11:50:07 AM »
I put myself in the Advanced category but I probably err on the side of Intermediate. I've listened to all of their albums (sans Coda, which I've only heard a few songs from and they mostly were not that great) a couple of times, I know a bunch of deeper cuts, I know some bits of lore, but I've never watched TSRTS except for bits and pieces. Also, every time I listen to an album, I gain a new appreciation or I find something new in a song. So maybe Intermediate is better choice.

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« Reply #41 on: July 19, 2014, 01:40:19 PM »
also on the intermediate side of advanced as I have only heard I - IV, Houses, and PG.  But I have listened to those on the whole a lot.
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« Reply #42 on: July 19, 2014, 01:50:48 PM »
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We're already on Coda?!

Wow, Chad, you're faster than a rabbit on Cialis. I'd better go listen to the other eight albums so I can catch up.

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« Reply #43 on: July 19, 2014, 01:56:16 PM »
Wow, Chad, you're faster than a rabbit on Cialis. I'd better go listen to the other eight albums so I can catch up.

 :lol :lol

You're accurate on your first point; not so accurate on the need for the second.  Since there are already a lot of people in, I'll likely make the starting post tonight or tomorrow morning.  Very pleased with the interest so far.
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« Reply #44 on: July 19, 2014, 02:09:28 PM »
Voted expert. Favorite band. I have a small shelf in my den specifically for my Zep CDs, DVDs, vinyls (most if not all of which are 1st pressings), books and *gulp* miniature Jimmy Page figure.
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« Reply #45 on: July 19, 2014, 02:25:59 PM »
Oh, god, please tell me that the action-figure is wearing the Dragon Suit!
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« Reply #46 on: July 19, 2014, 02:29:47 PM »
Wow, Chad, you're faster than a rabbit on Cialis. I'd better go listen to the other eight albums so I can catch up.

 :lol :lol

You're accurate on your first point; not so accurate on the need for the second.  Since there are already a lot of people in, I'll likely make the starting post tonight or tomorrow morning.  Very pleased with the interest so far.
45 replies before the first write-up? I'd say there's some interest.
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« Reply #47 on: July 19, 2014, 02:36:26 PM »
Oh, god, please tell me that the action-figure is wearing the Dragon Suit!

Yup the white suit and he's holding up the violin bow during Dazed and Confused.
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« Reply #48 on: July 19, 2014, 03:44:37 PM »
Oh, god, please tell me that the action-figure is wearing the Dragon Suit!

Yup the white suit and he's holding up the violin bow during Dazed and Confused.

Oh god... we need pics of that.
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« Reply #49 on: July 19, 2014, 04:22:39 PM »
Oh, god, please tell me that the action-figure is wearing the Dragon Suit!

Yup the white suit and he's holding up the violin bow during Dazed and Confused.
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« Reply #50 on: July 19, 2014, 04:26:10 PM »
Advanced bordering on Expert. I started out with the two disk Greatest Hits that came out about 13 years ago, then all the studio albums followed. I have The Song Remains the Same (haven't seen the movie though), How The West Was Won, the BBC Sessions, their live DVD, and I've read their biography The Hammer of the Gods. Most definitely following 

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« Reply #51 on: July 19, 2014, 09:27:32 PM »
Very into this thread. Long one of my favorite bands, and JPJ was, along with Geddy Lee, my clear co-#1 influence as a bassist when I was in my first few years learning the instrument. Hard to count the number of Zep songs I've covered in bands over the years--somewhere between 20 and 30, I'm guessing.

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« Reply #52 on: July 19, 2014, 11:59:33 PM »
So what's after "Expert"?  I have all the original albums on vinyl, including Coda, and bootlegs, and most on CD.  I have The Song Remains the Same on VHS, DVD and now Blu-ray.  I bought the remastered CD of The Song Remains the Same hoping that they'd fixed that one spot in the piano solo during "No Quarter" (you know the one) and was disappointed that they'd decided to just use another take.  I don't like the solo as much, and while the album was never a proper soundtrack to the movie anyway, it now had one more track that wasn't the same as in the movie.  The remastered CD isn't just remastered, but basically an alternate version of the album, so now I have both on my iPod.

So does that make me an expert?  No.  But I agree with Jaq; if it's based on how much Zep you own and how long you've been a fan, I'm off the charts.  Also, I do know a bit about them, so I'll be watching this thread, making sure it's on the up-and-up. :police:

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« Reply #53 on: July 20, 2014, 04:47:38 AM »
So what's after "Expert"?  I have all the original albums on vinyl, including Coda, and bootlegs, and most on CD.  I have The Song Remains the Same on VHS, DVD and now Blu-ray.  I bought the remastered CD of The Song Remains the Same hoping that they'd fixed that one spot in the piano solo during "No Quarter" (you know the one) and was disappointed that they'd decided to just use another take.  I don't like the solo as much, and while the album was never a proper soundtrack to the movie anyway, it now had one more track that wasn't the same as in the movie.  The remastered CD isn't just remastered, but basically an alternate version of the album, so now I have both on my iPod.

So does that make me an expert?  No.  But I agree with Jaq; if it's based on how much Zep you own and how long you've been a fan, I'm off the charts.  Also, I do know a bit about them, so I'll be watching this thread, making sure it's on the up-and-up. :police:

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That's cool Bob.  Clearly there's varying levels of "expert"!  Would you accept the title of Grand Poobah?   :lol  As I said, I'm by no means the be all and end all authority on the band.  I'm actually looking forward to finding out more myself, with whatever information and insight others have and will provide.  Think of me more like a facilitator of the discussion, not the ultimate guru of all things Led Zeppelin.
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Re: The Led Zeppelin Discography Discussion: v. All will be revealed
« Reply #54 on: July 20, 2014, 04:52:32 AM »
I may need to watch How The West Was Won again.  Haven't broken it out in several years.
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I'm not at all surprised at the distribution of knowledge.  With an act as legendary as Led Zeppelin, I'm almost (pleasantly) surprised there are more than a few novices following.  Hopefully this has the same kind of impact on them as it did all of us 'experts'.

But first, a little history lesson - and to give the background of all four members at once is way too long a post, I'm gonna split it in two so it's a little more digestible.

Jimmy Page's accolades run wide and deep - with the title of "Guitarist of the Year" 5 times in the 70s; claims such as "rock's greatest and most mysterious guitar hero", "the most captivating soloists the rock world has ever known", and "truly a guitar god"; always in the top 10 (usually top 3) rankings of various online and magazine polls of 'greatest guitarist of all time' - Page is responsible for some of the most memorable guitar sounds, riffs, and chords in rock.  Guitarists that (according to wiki) were influenced by Page include include some pretty legendary guitarists themselves - Ace Frehley, Joe Satriani, James Hetfield, Kirk Hammett, Zakk Wylde, Yngwie Malmsteen, Joe Perry, Richie Sambora, Angus Young, Slash, Dave Mustaine, and Alex Lifeson.  Helluva starter list.

Jimmy Page began playing guitar at the age of 13, and was largely self-taught.  By the age of 17, Page caught the interest of Neil Christian playing a warm up gig one night, and was asked to join his band, Neil Christian and the Crusaders.  Such was Page's first full-time gig.  Making a name for himself, in just one year Page became a session musician at the Decca label, and his first recording with them would go on to be a #1 hit in the UK.  Over the years, he would play on hundreds of sessions, contributing to dozens of very well known acts and their hits, including the Kinks' You Really Got Me, supporting Van Morrison completely in the studio (including Gloria), and even sat in on some sessions with The Who, contributing when Townshend couldn't cut playing the lead line (I Can't Explain).  Page's time as a session musician greatly affected how he would shape Led Zeppelin, learning countless studio techniques.

By mid 1966, Page was approached by the Yardbirds (a second time ... he'd already been asked in '65 to join as a second guitarist to Clapton, but declined), both needing some new inspiration for their musical creativity. Page accepted (initially as the bassist), but during the ensuing tour, Beck had a sore throat one night and could not go on stage.  Page was like a caged animal finally set free.  His performance floored the rest of the band, and gave them a new lease on life.  The Yardbirds had been fearing Beck's departure (the band would ultimately fire him), but now had nothing to fear with Page on the lead axe.  The Yardbirds would officially disband in the spring of 1968, leaving Page (with Peter Grant) on the search to form a new band.

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John Paul Jones was the most reserved and least flamboyant of the band members, though no less influential as a bass player, keyboardist, and arranger.  Counting Geddy Lee, Steve Harris, John Deacon and Gene Simmons having been influenced and inspired by Jones, his legacy is no less impressive than his three band mates.

Born as John Baldwin, Jones started playing piano at age six, learning from his father, who was a pianist and arranger for big bands in the 1940s and 1950s, His mother was also in the music business which allowed the family to often perform together touring around England. Jones joined his first band at 15, The Deltas.  As early as 1962, Jones would remember people telling him he had to hear this guitarist playing for Neil Christian and the Crusaders, 'they've got this unbelievable guitarist'.  And that is how he first heard of Jimmy Page - even before he'd heard of Jeff Beck or Eric Clapton.  His career followed a similar path to Page's, also becoming a session musician with Decca, in 1964.  It didn't take long for Jones to excel at arranging, along with his bass and keyboard playing.  Jones too made contributions to well known acts/songs, notably Donovan's Sunshine Superman, and The Rolling Stones' She's a Rainbow.

In 1967, Jones was invited to play the sessions for The Yardbirds album Little Games, and it was here that he and Page made their lasting connection.  They'd worked in sessions together in the past, but this was more of a 'band' setting (as Page was the only member of the Yardbirds allowed to participate in the studio during the recording of the album).  In July of 1968, the two reconnected as Page was looking to form his own band.  Jones also wanted to step out of the anonymity of being a session musician.  Now all they needed was a singer and a drummer.


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Oh wow, I didn't know Page and Jones met during Yardbirds! (Also don't you mean Plant and Bonham?)
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Oh wow, I didn't know Page and Jones met during Yardbirds! (Also don't you mean Plant and Bonham?)

yes... fix'd
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Regarding the performers who were influenced by Page. I was amazed the first time I heard Alex Lifeson say that he always wanted to think like Page. It was such an interesting statement and I confess that I'm still puzzled by it since I'm not a musician. I consider Lifeson's style as more innovative--less traditional--so I can't say that I've heard him imitate Page.

Then I was floored when I heard Michael Schenker express nearly the same thing. He was talking about constructing lead breaks and said that Page was the master at thinking his way through an improvised lead and that he always wanted to play like that.

There are many folks who bag on Page's playing as...not very precise, but I'm thinking that it was never his ability that was influential but what he chose to play. Do you think that's correct?
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Just now jumping in to this. I voted "Advanced" even though I own Coda, TSRTS (CD and DVD), as well as HTWWW CD set.

I look forward to reading through the journey of this band. I've been a fan for years, but never really read up on them. Will be following!  :tup

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I never made the connection that Page and Jonesy both were at Decca at the same time.  As far as their first effort together, I'm not 100% when it was.  However, they did do Beck's Bolero in May of '66.  Jeff Beck, Page, Jones, Kieth Moon on drums and Nicky Hopkins on piano.

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Regarding the performers who were influenced by Page. I was amazed the first time I heard Alex Lifeson say that he always wanted to think like Page. It was such an interesting statement and I confess that I'm still puzzled by it since I'm not a musician. I consider Lifeson's style as more innovative--less traditional--so I can't say that I've heard him imitate Page.

Then I was floored when I heard Michael Schenker express nearly the same thing. He was talking about constructing lead breaks and said that Page was the master at thinking his way through an improvised lead and that he always wanted to play like that.

There are many folks who bag on Page's playing as...not very precise, but I'm thinking that it was never his ability that was influential but what he chose to play. Do you think that's correct?

When you listen to Page play live in his prime-and most people I know tend to think that was around 1973 or so, with his best playing being on a tour of Germany in 1973-there is always a sense that his playing is just a split second behind what he's thinking about playing-he knows, instinctively, where he's going next. When he gets in trouble-and it even happened in his prime-is when what he thinks of playing comes out as he thinks it, so occasionally things got tangled up (or as a lot of Zep bootleg listeners like to say, his fingers got stuck in the strings.) When it flowed, when Page followed his instincts and was thinking a few seconds ahead of what he was playing, though, ahhh, it was magical. The only guitarist working in hard rock in the 70s who was better at improvising solos in my opinion was Ritchie Blackmore.

Of course, by 1975 things started getting out of hand, with some ludicrously long solos in No Quarter (which in 75 started breaking the 30 minute mark) and Dazed and Confused (which would crest the 40 minute mark!) but that's to talk about later.
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When Rush first came on the scene in the mid-70's, I heard them referred to as a Canadian Zep-wannabee band.  I never heard it, myself, but if you listen to the first album and just the first album, and consider what Led Zeppelin was doing at the time, I guess there's a connection.

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Regarding the performers who were influenced by Page. I was amazed the first time I heard Alex Lifeson say that he always wanted to think like Page. It was such an interesting statement and I confess that I'm still puzzled by it since I'm not a musician. I consider Lifeson's style as more innovative--less traditional--so I can't say that I've heard him imitate Page.

Then I was floored when I heard Michael Schenker express nearly the same thing. He was talking about constructing lead breaks and said that Page was the master at thinking his way through an improvised lead and that he always wanted to play like that.

There are many folks who bag on Page's playing as...not very precise, but I'm thinking that it was never his ability that was influential but what he chose to play. Do you think that's correct?

I'm not a musician either (I can play drums :D), so I'm sure I won't say it correctly, but regarding Lifeson and Schenker, I think of them as chordal players, building lines. I can see that style of playing coming from Page.

When Rush first came on the scene in the mid-70's, I heard them referred to as a Canadian Zep-wannabee band.  I never heard it, myself, but if you listen to the first album and just the first album, and consider what Led Zeppelin was doing at the time, I guess there's a connection.
I never thought the comparison was that outrageous. But Rush would soon go into a much different direction once Peart joined.
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Re: The Led Zeppelin Discography Discussion: v. All will be revealed
« Reply #64 on: July 20, 2014, 10:11:15 AM »
Voted expert. Favorite band. I have a small shelf in my den specifically for my Zep CDs, DVDs, vinyls (most if not all of which are 1st pressings), books and *gulp* miniature Jimmy Page figure.
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I'm glad you found this thread. I was meaning to email you to let you know it was starting.
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I never made the connection that Page and Jonesy both were at Decca at the same time.  As far as their first effort together, I'm not 100% when it was.  However, they did do Beck's Bolero in May of '66.  Jeff Beck, Page, Jones, Kieth Moon on drums and Nicky Hopkins on piano.

Great write up chad!  I look forward to the Band of Joy  :tup

True.  They were both "session" musician's on that song for Beck, and bounced around the idea of forming a band together... which I will make reference to again shortly.

As for the Rush connection, I do believe that when Working Man hit in Cleveland, fans were calling in asking 'what's the name of this new Zeppelin song?'  Pretty sure I remember that from Beyond the Lighted Stage.
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I voted Intermediate. You (and plenty of other folks here, evidently) have a lot to teach me about Zeppelin. I look forward to diving in!  :corn
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Yes, Lifeson and Schenker occupy a completely different tonal space than Page.  They're talking about his ability to construct a solo.

Listening to a Page solo, you get this odd feeling of careful construction AND improvisation all in the same moment.  His solo lines blistered and exploded off the fretboard, but were perfectly melded into the context of the rest of the song. I think that's what Lifeson and Schenker were going for(and attained). Page didn't always care about hitting all the right notes, he was more concerned with capturing and maintaining that feeling of combustible spontaneity that just hits you like 'BAM', no other player.
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Great write up chad!  I look forward to the Band of Joy  :tup

Iseewhatyoudidthere.

I have every studio album, love them deeply, but don't listen to them nearly as much as I would like to.

Well, let's rectify that, shall we?

It's late, I'll post the Plant/Bonham introductions in the morning.
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