It all comes down *what* anniversary is being celebrated. If you're just saying "DT's anniversary", you can mean the start of the band, the first album, the first time MP took a shit in the tour bus toilet, whatever. To me, *without* any specific specifier preceding the word "anniversary", I will talk about the band. And the band has existed since 1985.
Think of a band like a marriage: do most married couples celebrate the anniversary of when they first started dating? No. They celebrate their wedding anniversary, just like most bands celebrate the anniversary of their first album.
But when you ask a couple how long they've been together, I'm quite sure they will include how long they had been dating before that. With JLB's analogy, dating couples are never "together" until they get married.
Thank you rumbo - I completely agree! If JL is referring to the anniversary of the band, then it's 1985 or 1986 at the latest since that's when the first full line up existed. If he wants to talk about album anniversaries, then 1989 would be it, assuming he's referring to the anniversary of WDaDU (as if they'd ever celebrate that anniversary with a mini set or perform a side of that album...)
I can't imagine JP, JM and MP still remember the exact day and month of when they first decided, "This should be a legitimate band."
Maybe JP and JM can't remember, but I'd be willing to bet there's at least a 50% chance that MP does!
You know, that's a good metaphor. Instead of a marriage metaphor, a baby metaphor is better. You don't celebrate when a baby's parents first made that sweet love that conceived the baby, or when the doctor announced that they're pregnant. You know it's there, that it exists, but you only celebrate it once it's actually born, and out for the world to see. So first album is a legitimate time, if someone chooses to see it that way.
I get what you're saying, but I still think the marriage metaphor is more appropriate, since it's the celebration of the union of individuals, not simply what they produce (children or music).
The songs on the Majesty Demos were just that, demos. The band had a different name, different vocalist and a different approach back then. At most, it was an early prototype of what would become Dream Theater. With Another Won having gotten an official live release, I would say that's the only song from that era that's been inducted into the Dream Theater discography. Every thing else, Two Far, Your Majesty, etc. Those are songs by a band called Majesty, again, with a different vocalist, different approach, etc, so I wouldn't go about counting them as a part of DT's discography.
But you're still ignoring the fact that AW was produced by that first line up of musicians. And don't get me started on the excuse that they had a different name, a different vocalist and a different approach. They are still the same band as they were with different members. It's obvious you're not discounting Kevin Moore, Derek Sherinian or even Charlie Dominici, so why do that to Chris Collins? And I've already argued the name thing with you - the ONLY reason why we aren't calling the band Majesty today is because there was another band that already had the name. So the name issue means nothing. And as for having a different approach, even that I would argue. Yes, it's true that they may not write music the same way as they did way-back-when, but that's a matter of growth and maturity, not a complete change of direction. I would counter with the example of Pantera, who had a different vocalist for their first 3 albums, and even after they got Phil, they continued in the hair-metal/cock-rock style for their 4th album. They might be an example of a "different" band, and even then I would have my doubts. But with Majesty/DT, it's the same friggin' band.
Let's also not forget that ALL 6 of the songs on the Majesty demo tape, as well as a few other Majesty-era tracks (The School Song, Cry For Freedom, Resurrection of Ernie and maybe others) were all listed on the back of 20th anniversary T-shirt, along with all the other DT tracks. So your argument that these other songs don't count holds no water.
To me, JLB's comment brings a more interesting question than which year is the proper 25th. His comment shows the band was not on the same page in 2010 when they unveiled the 25th anniversary merchandise campaign. JLB was clearly not on board with it. He seems pretty firm in his stance that this year is the 25th. So, the obvious question is, who spearheaded all the 25th anniversary stuff -- the band or management?
MP, probably.
Exactly. JP probably had to sign off on it, but I'm pretty sure James and Jordan had no vote in it.
I agree with rumbo - probably was MP.
Even if JL and JR disagreed, they aren't original members of the band, nor are they leaders in the band, so if the original members/leaders in the band say so, who are they to argue?
Topic: JLB: This year, not 2010, is DT's 25th anniversary (Read 25668 times)
