Author Topic: Six Degrees (the song) vs Octavarium (the song) (Read 4815 times)

KevShmev · « **on:** April 17, 2014, 08:31:37 AM »

Here's a conversation I don't remember us having.

It's interesting because most days I would say Octavarium, but when talking about the two in another thread recently, I realized that 6DOIT has more "Holy shit, this is awesome" moments than Octavarium. On the flip side, Octavarium is way more cohesive and flows better. But, while many rave over the Razor's Edge finish, and it is pretty fantastic, I actually prefer the Losing Time/Grand Finale section (not counting that unnecessary long fadeout of the last note).

So for now, I will give the very slight edge to Six Degrees. But it's oh so close.

Shadow Ninja 2.0 · « **Reply #1 on:** April 17, 2014, 08:34:23 AM »

Six Degrees.

BlobVanDam · « **Reply #2 on:** April 17, 2014, 08:35:39 AM »

SDOIT is just about my favourite DT song (top 2 or top 1 depending on my mood), so that gets my vote, but Octavarium is also amazing, and DT's 2nd best epic behind SDOIT imo.

? · « **Reply #3 on:** April 17, 2014, 08:38:58 AM »

While Six Degrees lacks flow and is a bit of a chore to listen to in full, it has more moments I like than Octavarium does, so it gets my vote.

Dublagent66 · « **Reply #4 on:** April 17, 2014, 08:44:17 AM »

SDOIT easily.

krands85 · « **Reply #5 on:** April 17, 2014, 08:47:08 AM »

Octavarium for me and it's not even close.

The Holy Tune · « **Reply #6 on:** April 17, 2014, 09:21:37 AM »

2 big epics but one is even better. And that is Octavarium for me

CharlesPL · « **Reply #7 on:** April 17, 2014, 09:22:34 AM »

I love both,but vote for SDOIT.

CrimsonSunrise · « **Reply #8 on:** April 17, 2014, 09:23:26 AM »

Not even in the same league..... 6DOIT

cramx3 · « **Reply #9 on:** April 17, 2014, 09:27:15 AM »

Octavarium. While I like most of the tracks of SDOIT, the song as a whole is not as enjoyable for me.

emtee · « **Reply #10 on:** April 17, 2014, 09:30:05 AM »

I should like 8V more since I'm such a huge Floyd fan but I don't. SDoIT by a long ways. One of DT's all time best songs and
also top tier album. I know a lot of people love 8V (song and album) and it did some good things for DT as far as reaching
multiple generations and a wide demographic, but inspiration corner came very close to 'copy the band' on some songs and
I always had a problem with that.

Tom Bombadil · « **Reply #11 on:** April 17, 2014, 09:34:51 AM »

Quote from: krands85 on April 17, 2014, 08:47:08 AM

Octavarium for me and it's not even close.

This

hefdaddy42 · « **Reply #12 on:** April 17, 2014, 09:58:33 AM »

Octavarium

mikeyd23 · « **Reply #13 on:** April 17, 2014, 10:13:45 AM »

Both are fantastic but SDOIT gets my vote on this one. Probably my favorite piece of music from DT when looked at as a whole like this.

Sacul · « **Reply #14 on:** April 17, 2014, 10:15:31 AM »

SDOIT. 8VM isn't on my top 50 anymore.

Evermind · « **Reply #15 on:** April 17, 2014, 10:47:22 AM »

Quote from: Sacul on April 17, 2014, 10:15:31 AM

SDOIT. 8VM isn't on my top 50 anymore.

My quote in your signature applies to this too.

My pick is 8VM, SDOIT is floating somewhere at ~75th place. I just don't enjoy it at all.

kirksnosehair · « **Reply #16 on:** April 17, 2014, 11:06:28 AM »

Quote from: emtee on April 17, 2014, 09:30:05 AM

I should like 8V more since I'm such a huge Floyd fan but I don't. SDoIT by a long ways. One of DT's all time best songs and
also top tier album. I know a lot of people love 8V (song and album) and it did some good things for DT as far as reaching
multiple generations and a wide demographic, but inspiration corner came very close to 'copy the band' on some songs and
I always had a problem with that.

King Postwhore · « **Reply #17 on:** April 17, 2014, 11:07:37 AM »

Though I love both and 6DOIT is my favorite album, 8VM is my favorite DT song.

theseoafs · « **Reply #18 on:** April 17, 2014, 11:36:14 AM »

Both are fantastic but 8V is probably my number 1 DT song, with SDOIT being a few places.

Interestingly, this doesn't apply to the whole albums: SDOIT is amazing all the way through, but 8V as an album is pretty inconsistent.

Podaar · « **Reply #19 on:** April 17, 2014, 11:47:53 AM »

Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence by several orders of magnitude. If Octavarium didn't have the moog solo and the instrumental break I probably wouldn't listen to it at all...although those two elements are way up there in my list of "holy shit" moments.

TAC · « **Reply #20 on:** April 17, 2014, 12:20:18 PM »

8V all the way. My second favorite DT song.

The Letter M · « **Reply #21 on:** April 17, 2014, 12:32:02 PM »

SDOIT. As I've mentioned many times on here, it's my favorite epic and my favorite album by DT, so no question there, although I do rank 8VM pretty high.

-Marc.

Nearmyth · « **Reply #22 on:** April 17, 2014, 12:52:43 PM »

These songs are really just a placing or two away on my list, really hard to decide, but I had to go with Octavarium for consistency.

Kruss777 · « **Reply #23 on:** April 17, 2014, 01:58:20 PM »

Both are two great epics, though I would have to say 6DOIT .

jakepriest · « **Reply #24 on:** April 17, 2014, 02:01:00 PM »

As I can't stand listening to SDOIT as one song, it's just too long and has too many meh passages, I love some tracks individually though. Octavarium gets my vote.

Madman Shepherd · « **Reply #25 on:** April 17, 2014, 03:19:50 PM »

Full Circle practically ruins the song (along with the little Jingle Bells reference). 6DOIT wins by default.

TheGreatPretender · « **Reply #26 on:** April 17, 2014, 03:30:57 PM »

Octavarium: Quality over quantity.

lithium112 · « **Reply #27 on:** April 17, 2014, 03:31:05 PM »

Definitely Octavarium. I can't even consider 6DOIT to be one song.

Octavarious · « **Reply #28 on:** April 17, 2014, 04:22:03 PM »

Well, if you look at my nick, looks an easy answer...
But they're quite close in my DT olympus

Top 5 for sure.

ReaPsTA · « **Reply #29 on:** April 17, 2014, 06:01:09 PM »

Octavarium

- I just think it's cooler. Six Degrees lays on the epicness so thick. Octavarium, for a 24 minute epic with an orchestral ending, is subtle. When Losing Time comes in the strings and the big guitar chords and the thundering drums scream THIS IS AN EPIC CONCLUSION at you. Razor's Edge isn't so in your face. You can hear the backing piano and even the bass doing a cool swell. The drums and guitar are more complex. By being understated, it comes off much more natural and self-assured. It trusts its own composition.

- For those who don't know, the lyrics in Six Degrees are based on a series of psychological case studies found in some book. JP and MP took them and turned them into song lyrics. The sections written in first person (WIMH, TTTSTA, GK, ATC(r)) work really well, but the other sections feel impersonal because they are. Octavarium's lyrics are weird, but by being less on the nose they actually work a lot better. For example - You don't think that the character in Medicate Me was in a literal coma, do you? When you look deeper, the song because a far more interesting story about someone going insane than the song literally about insanity.

- Octavarium is much better composed. Six Degrees feels episodic. Most of the song never repeats any themes from the Overture. On the other hand, ~~Medicate Me is the only section of Octavarium that doesn't~~ every section of Octavarium sets-up, pays off, or echos a theme that appears more than once in the song (the crazy instrumental section uses a rephrased version of the moog solo's main melody).

EDIT: Credit to robwebster for pointing out the Medicate Me's chorus melody is a rephrasing of the song's very ending melody.

robwebster · « **Reply #30 on:** April 17, 2014, 06:22:11 PM »

Dig most of the post - really, really dig it! But one thing -

EDIT: NO things! Excellent.

ReaPsTA · « **Reply #31 on:** April 17, 2014, 06:36:49 PM »

Fixed my post. Good call.

Infinite Cactus · « **Reply #32 on:** April 17, 2014, 07:25:45 PM »

8VM by the all of it. I like certain sections of SDOIT, but none more than DAT VARIUM

Daso · « **Reply #33 on:** April 17, 2014, 07:54:32 PM »

Octavarium by miles. I can't feel 6DOIT as a whole song, it's just too disjointed. It's too easy to tell everything apart. And at the same time, Octavarium is plain amazing.

orcus116 · « **Reply #34 on:** April 17, 2014, 07:58:48 PM »

Octavarium. Overall it's a solid B/B+ song and to me SDOIT is a collection of B/C sections/songs. While the payoff for Octavarium is a bit cliched it works better than SDOIT, which has always felt like a lazy Sunday afternoon of a piece.

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