Would you sit through the whole 12-Step Suite just to hear TGP live?

[The Letter M]

So I just had a thought - what if they finally brought "The Glass Prison" back to the live set, but it was part of the whole Twelve-Step Suite. Would you guys be OK with that?

I mean, theoretically you could just leave after TGP or wherever in the suite and come back later - but why would you, it's DREAM THEATER MUSIC!!!

Anyways, the question is simple - would you be ok with the Twelve-Step Suite (taking up over 55 minutes of the show) just to get TGP again?

-Marc.

[TheGreatPretender]

Well, considering I think TSF and TROAE are better than TGP, I'd say it wouldn't even be the highlight of the suite, so yes, I'd gladly sit through it.

[Jaffa]

I think it'd be cool to hear the suite live anyway.

[Zook]

I think it'd be cool to hear the suite live anyway.

[Cool Chris]

It would not be my preference to have the suite played live at a show I was at. Don't know if I would get up to piss during it, but I do not think it would be a good decision to perform in its entirety.

[TAC]

Having never experienced the 12 Step Suite live, I'd happily take it as a whole. But it would have nothing to do with TGP, which to me, is NOT aging very well at all. My favorite in the Suite is easily TDS. I'm not even that fond of TROAE  or Repentence. Having just seen TSF live last week, that's a great song live, even if I wasn't crazy about it when it came out.

If the second set of the next leg was indeed The 12 Step Suite, I'd be fine with that.

[mirko_metal_88]

"No, Wanting TGP isn't worth getting the rest of the suite."

[RaiseTheKnife]

mostly, I want to hear EDIT: Repentence (oops) -- but the whole suite would still be amazing.  Having seen the TGP and TDS played consecutively in Anaheim, I can tell you that there is a distinct impact when played in order.  When the TGP riffs reprise in TDS, oh my-- brace yourself!

[TAC]

mostly, I want to hear Redemption -- but the whole suite would still be amazing.  Having seen the TGP and TDS played consecutively in Anaheim, I can tell you that there is a distinct impact when played in order.  When the TGP riffs reprise in TDS, oh my-- brace yourself!

I'm a big fan of Redemption too. Love Ray Alder.

 

[Mebert78]

I'd love to her the full suite, but getting to hear TGP doesn't make it more exciting because that's actually one of my least fav DT songs.

[cramx3]

Ive seen all of suite live except TGP and TDS so yea Id sit through it.  Or maybe just watch the beginning since I can say I saw Repentance 

[robwebster]

If I were writing a setlist, and I could either put on the whole Twelve Step Suite or skip The Glass Prison entirely, I'd probably just skip it. But if I were at a gig and they launched into it I'd stay for the whole thing.

If I were in charge of all DT setlists, I'd do Twelve Step once, record it, release it as an EP, and leave it at that. Alternatively, if we are having it for the whole tour, I'd absolutely go to town on set design to justify it. Make it a proper audiovisual experience, throw in extra nick-nacks, segues between the songs, choir for Repentance - make it more than the sum of the five songs. Cos as they are, I'd imagine it'd be absolutely tiring. Really tell the story, bring the tracks to life.

[bosk1]

I guess I don't really understand the question, since it seems to imply that seeing the entire suite is somehow a bad thing.  I mean, I would probably prefer something different than seeing the entire thing if it were entirely up to me to design a set.  But if they played it, great.

(Not that it'll happen anyway, because I highly doubt it ever will)

[The Letter M]

I guess I don't really understand the question, since it seems to imply that seeing the entire suite is somehow a bad thing.  I mean, I would probably prefer something different than seeing the entire thing if it were entirely up to me to design a set.  But if they played it, great.

(Not that it'll happen anyway, because I highly doubt it ever will)

Quality-wise, no. I'm not implying the whole suite is BAD, per se, but the fact that it would take up nearly an hour of the show could be a bad thing to some fans who'd want a little more variety.

And there have been a lot of fans lately on here who have wanted to see TGP brought back in to the set list, but TSF was played instead, which is about as close as we've gotten, really.

More or less I was asking if you got to see TGP, would it be worth hearing the other four songs in the show with it just to hear TGP, knowing full-well you could have gotten 40-minutes worth of OTHER songs to hear.

-Marc.

[Laughingplace56]

They could open with The Glass Prison then play You Not Me on a loop for the next 145 min. and it'd still be the greatest concert of my life.

But seriously, I'd give up as much set time as possible just to have that song played live, including the entirety of the 12-Step Suite. And I don't like Repentance much at all. They allotted enough time for it this time around, but picked the other end of the Suite, which isn't a bad song at all and it'll fun as hell live, but I'm willing to bet if DT took a snapshot poll, more people would vote for TGP to be played rather than TSF, whether it  was never played before this tour or not. Hell, I'd bet hard money that'd be the outcome of that poll. That song has got to be BRUTAL live. They could keep the same format of the first set for the second legs of Europe/NA/Asia and switch TSF with TGP and make everyone happy 

[Tis BOOLsheet]

Absolutely not. How about just TGP and not the rest?

[TheGreatPretender]

They could open with The Glass Prison then play You Not Me on a loop for the next 145 min. and it'd still be the greatest concert of my life.

But seriously, I'd give up as much set time as possible just to have that song played live, including the entirety of the 12-Step Suite. And I don't like Repentance much at all. They allotted enough time for it this time around, but picked the other end of the Suite, which isn't a bad song at all and it'll fun as hell live, but I'm willing to bet if DT took a snapshot poll, more people would vote for TGP to be played rather than TSF, whether it  was never played before this tour or not. Hell, I'd bet hard money that'd be the outcome of that poll. That song has got to be BRUTAL live. They could keep the same format of the first set for the second legs of Europe/NA/Asia and switch TSF with TGP and make everyone happy 

Well, minority or not, I still prefer TSF to TGP, so I'm happy with the current turnout.

[Daso]

Went with the "no" option. As much as I like the songs on the 12SS (except for TDS which I despise), it would be overwhelming to listen to that much heaviness in a row - even considering Repentance is in there. However, if I was at the show and I didn't know the setlist before hand, I guess I'd go through it and enjoy it the most possible. In short, it's not something I'd ask for.

[Setlist Scotty]

Considering that I've already seen TGP several times, I'd have no reason to "sit through the whole 12-Step Suite just to hear TGP live". BUT, having never heard the entire suite live, and not having seen the one performance that DT did of Repentance (thus far), I'd love to see the whole suite.

[Rodni Demental]

Would I sit through the 12SS...  Wow, probably not. I'd probably be on my feet screaming for about an hour and then either have a nap during Repentance or still be inappropriately noisy during. But seriously, I'd be completely engaged for the entire hour if they played it.

[krands85]

Well I've already seen TROAE and TSF, plus I've never been a fan of Repentance. I love TDS and TGP, but there are plenty of other songs I'd prefer to see live one day, so I'd probably vote no. It would still be cool to see though and I definitely would have voted yes had I not seen any of the suite thus far.

[wasteland]

I have already seen Root and Fortress, I only kind of like Repentance and neither TGP nor TDS rank high in my to-see list. So, I wouldn't be overly pleased if the band decided to play the whole suite head to tail, but of course I would sit through it.

[Grizz]

12SS sounds like like it would work well if it was split, like ACOS on the FII tour.

[ThatOneGuy2112]

Well I haven't even seen DT live before. I like all songs from the 12SS, and listening to it in its entirety sounds pretty damn great.

[son_ov_hades]

The Glass Prison isn't anywhere near the top of my list of songs I want to hear live. I would sit through the 12 Step Suite because it would be entertaining enough live, but I would much much rather them play 55 minutes of better songs. Which option do I choose? Neither is my opinion 

[wolfking]

The answer is yes.

[rumborak]

I am one of the few who would not like that whole thing live. First of all, the thing is an hour long. Not only that, the reprisals of the previous themes is ok when you hear them in context of a specific album, but when you hear the songs all back-to-back, the reprisals become rather annoying and repetitive. A friend of mine once prepared an mp3 of the whole thing; it was not very enjoyable.

[gmillerdrake]

I think it'd be cool to hear the suite live anyway.

[gmillerdrake]

(Not that it'll happen anyway, because I highly doubt it ever will)

Aren't DT and the Winery Dogs playing the same day, same stage this summer...at Sionosphere? Talk about a perfect opportunity to surprise the heck out of people. But I doubt enough time has passed to heal ALL of the wounds that split opened.

[BlobVanDam]

I guess I don't really understand the question, since it seems to imply that seeing the entire suite is somehow a bad thing. 

That. It's a loaded question.

Of COURSE I would want to see the 12SS and TGP! Why the fuck not?
I'll take that over the current setlist thnx.

[KevShmev]

I am one of the few who would not like that whole thing live. First of all, the thing is an hour long. Not only that, the reprisals of the previous themes is ok when you hear them in context of a specific album, but when you hear the songs all back-to-back, the reprisals become rather annoying and repetitive. A friend of mine once prepared an mp3 of the whole thing; it was not very enjoyable.

Same here.  Plus, I am not that big on This Dying Soul and The Root of All Evil, and while I like Repentance, I can't see it being a great live song, so...that would be nearly 30 minutes of live stuff that wouldn't be that great, to me.  And while I like both The Glass Prison and The Shattered Fortress a lot, neither are among my favorites, so I will go with no on this one, too. 

(Not that it'll happen anyway, because I highly doubt it ever will)

Aren't DT and the Winery Dogs playing the same day, same stage this summer...at Sionosphere?

I think they are not playing on the same day.  I am pretty sure I read that somewhere (don't ask me where ).

[?]

It would not be my preference to have the suite played live at a show I was at. Don't know if I would get up to piss during it, but I do not think it would be a good decision to perform in its entirety.

[me7]

I would sit through the whole 12-Step Suite just to hear the whole 12-Step Suite live.

[SomeoneLikeHim]

I would sit through the whole 12-Step Suite just to hear the whole 12-Step Suite live.

I don't think It'd be worth it just for that.

[BlobVanDam]

I would sit through the whole 12-Step Suite just to hear the whole 12-Step Suite live.