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Re: Will my hearing come back?
« Reply #35 on: March 25, 2014, 01:40:50 PM »
It's not a good show unless your ears are ringing afterwards!
So none of the approximately 15 shows I've seen have been good? :-[

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Re: Will my hearing come back?
« Reply #36 on: March 25, 2014, 02:51:53 PM »
It's not a good show unless your ears are ringing afterwards!
So none of the approximately 15 shows I've seen have been good? :-[

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Re: Will my hearing come back?
« Reply #37 on: March 25, 2014, 03:03:47 PM »
That's like those geniuses who say it wasn't a good night out getting hammered unless you can't remember a thing...

So if you slipped over in your bathroom and was knocked out before you left the house - when you awoke you'd assume you had a great night out...

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Re: Will my hearing come back?
« Reply #38 on: March 25, 2014, 10:37:42 PM »
A good set of earplugs are a must, and they're not even that expensive so there really is no excuse if you are going to go to concerts regularly.  I was four feet from the monitors for BTBAM/Deafheaven/Intronaut/The Kindred show on Sunday, which was loud as could be.  The entire night I just felt sound all over my body, but my ears were no worse for the wear.

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Re: Will my hearing come back?
« Reply #39 on: March 25, 2014, 10:56:44 PM »
Today's DT concert was very loud too, but I was prepared. I had brought my custom ear plugs, and additionally some Vaseline. You may laugh, but putting a bit of Vaseline on those ear plugs makes them seal properly. I had a good sound, at decent volume level.
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Re: Will my hearing come back?
« Reply #40 on: March 26, 2014, 05:33:13 AM »
What's the point of putting it so loud??? Do they think they will lose ticket sales below 100 db? I go see DT because I enjoy the band, what they do, and want to support them. If anything, I am sure most people would enjoy it more if they kept it around 80 db. It has taken almost 5 days and only now is my hearing fully coming back... that's ridiculous. Opeth was way less loud when I saw them last year and I enjoyed it more because I could properly hear everything.

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Re: Will my hearing come back?
« Reply #41 on: March 26, 2014, 08:32:43 AM »
The thing is - people complain that earplugs muddy up the sound. But if you put them in for the entire evening - including support bands and what have you - you acclimatise to the sound and after a while you forget you've got them in and you can actually hear everything BETTER not worse.

It filters out all the nasty shit and you can hear what's going on - not just at a lower volume.


I found that at band practice or jam night - If I drummed wearing ear plugs I could actually hear my cymbals - whereas without them I couldn't.

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Re: Will my hearing come back?
« Reply #42 on: March 26, 2014, 11:19:48 AM »
Yeah, I have noticed the same effect, where you get used to the sound.
That said though, I think one can discern a bit more when listening to the concert without ear plugs. I'm just not willing to sacrifice my hearing for it.

But yeah, it's a terrible volume war. I can't imagine a single person in yesterday's DT concert who wouldn't have minded less volume. The PA system couldn't handle it anyway, so it would have reduced distortions.
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Re: Will my hearing come back?
« Reply #43 on: March 26, 2014, 11:50:59 AM »
What's the point of putting it so loud??? Do they think they will lose ticket sales below 100 db? I go see DT because I enjoy the band, what they do, and want to support them. If anything, I am sure most people would enjoy it more if they kept it around 80 db. It has taken almost 5 days and only now is my hearing fully coming back... that's ridiculous. Opeth was way less loud when I saw them last year and I enjoyed it more because I could properly hear everything.
Because plenty of people enjoy loud music. We also enjoy the concert experience, part of which is hearing it a helluva lot louder than you'll create in your living room. While you would celebrate quiet concerts, plenty of others would complain. The compromise is simply that concerts are hitting 110dB now, down from the 120 or more they were routinely at back when many of us were growing up.  That's why I have to chuckle about everybody complaining that modern DT show is too loud. I guarantee you that when they toured Awake it was much, much louder than hey play nowadays.
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Re: Will my hearing come back?
« Reply #44 on: March 26, 2014, 12:57:34 PM »
I think it's all a matter of degree. EB, I'm totally with you that a rock concert needs to have enough oomph to give you that tingling sensation when it starts. But, on the other hand, I have been to way too many concerts where the PA just couldn't handle the sound pressure, and everything turned to mush. Funny thing is, the brain fills in the indiscernible gaps because we all know the songs so well. But, once they play a song you don't know, you realize that you can't actually follow it because of the audio mush.
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« Reply #45 on: March 26, 2014, 03:53:48 PM »
At the least, the venue should clearly label the decibel amount to expect, and should warn people, and should sell ear plugs.

Actually one thing I find annoying about DT shows is the fact that they are seated. No one sits anyways so what's the point? At least at a GA show, people can move around instead of strictly exposing their ears to 1 single position.

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Re: Will my hearing come back?
« Reply #46 on: March 26, 2014, 04:50:11 PM »
At the least, the venue should clearly label the decibel amount to expect, and should warn people, and should sell ear plugs.
If you go to a concert you should expect it to be loud. Also, I believe pretty much any venue will give you earplugs for free if you ask for them. Don't use them myself, but it seems that plenty of people here have mentioned that as fact.


I think it's all a matter of degree. EB, I'm totally with you that a rock concert needs to have enough oomph to give you that tingling sensation when it starts. But, on the other hand, I have been to way too many concerts where the PA just couldn't handle the sound pressure, and everything turned to mush. Funny thing is, the brain fills in the indiscernible gaps because we all know the songs so well. But, once they play a song you don't know, you realize that you can't actually follow it because of the audio mush.
Yeah, pretty much ever single show from the 80's - 2000.  :lol  Personally, I think I think we've hit a very nice point in the tradeoff between sound quality and sound pressure levels at this point. I wouldn't want to see concerts any quieter, but I certainly enjoy good sound quality. With all of that said, however, I don't think the two need to be exclusive. DT has always sounded pretty poor in my opinion. Yet I've seen bands play louder and sound great. I've had the opposite, as well. Saw Tool Monday night and the crowd was louder than the band, yet they still didn't sound all that good (not much fidelity on the drums). Like I've said in all of the other threads on this subject (I think this is the 4th now) it's perfectly possible to play loud as hell and still get great sound. Porcupine Tree and Yes both accomplished that splendidly the last times I saw them.
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Re: Will my hearing come back?
« Reply #47 on: March 26, 2014, 05:19:58 PM »
Yeah, I have to concur that DT's sound has been more miss than hit. Especially when so many instruments play at the same time, you'd think they would be the first to push for good sound. Then again, DT12's sound....
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Re: Will my hearing come back?
« Reply #48 on: March 26, 2014, 10:37:25 PM »
The only bands I've seen live that sounded great were the ones that didn't play as loud. Not a coincidence. I've noticed it's usually the tighter/better performing bands that keep the volume at a decent level too. The loud volume covers up a lot.
When the audio is "clipping" at the ear level, there's nothing at all to gain. I like to actually be able to hear what I'm paying $150+ to experience.
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Re: Will my hearing come back?
« Reply #49 on: March 28, 2014, 06:39:05 PM »
What's the point of putting it so loud??? Do they think they will lose ticket sales below 100 db? I go see DT because I enjoy the band, what they do, and want to support them. If anything, I am sure most people would enjoy it more if they kept it around 80 db. It has taken almost 5 days and only now is my hearing fully coming back... that's ridiculous. Opeth was way less loud when I saw them last year and I enjoyed it more because I could properly hear everything.

Projecting sound of course, but drums are loud. Stuff is turned up to compensate, and tube amps sound better with higher volumes, especially high gain. At least that's how I view it.
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Re: Will my hearing come back?
« Reply #50 on: March 28, 2014, 07:11:40 PM »
If it's a big enough venue - you can have valve amps up pretty loud on stage just not loud through the PA.

You can even have them facing away from the crowd. Lots of bands do that.

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Re: Will my hearing come back?
« Reply #51 on: April 11, 2014, 06:48:27 AM »
Could anyone maybe shine some light on what is happening?

It has been a full 3 weeks now.

Here is basically what has happened.

When I had first gotten home from the show, my threshold shifts were a bit in the lower frequencies, but mostly in the entire 4-6K range.

So over the last 3 weeks, I've experienced this:

First, my 4K range got really excessively loud for about 3 days, then after exposing my ear to every day 4K frequencies, it went basically close to back to normal, and at this point, in the 4K range, certain quiet everyday noises became more apparent which got a little quieter every day for several days.

All the while, in my ears I would hear very very light buzzing in my left ear in the 4K range.

Then, a few days ago, this whole cycle started again but in the 5-6K range. These noises were super loud the first day and have since settled to the point where they are just overloud for quiet sounds.

All the while, my left ear has now started buzzing a bit in those frequencies.

Also to note, for the first couple of weeks, I didnt feel as though I had hearing loss perse, but since the 5-6K range started, I couldnt hear S sounds as clearly, but that is also improving slowly.  Yesterday, I noticed those lower frequencies are now a little louder but it doesn't seem to have happened as strongly as the 4K and 5-6K range. It was proportional to my threshold shift from the first couple of days.

Is this a sign that my ears are healing slowly or is it a sign of something serious?

I also get some ear fullness from time to time in my left ear.

On pure tone tests, my 5-6K range is definitely louder than usual.

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Re: Will my hearing come back?
« Reply #52 on: April 11, 2014, 07:58:28 AM »
 I read somewhere that people can safely be exposed to 85dB (A-weighted, slow response, accurate readings for human hearing) for a total of 8 hours per-day without a risk of permenant hearing loss. For every additional 3 decibels, the time is halved.
This is the part to understand about decibels. They aren't a linear scale like 1-10. Every 3 decibel increase is considered a DOUBLING in volume/amplitude.
So at 88 decibels you have a max exposure of 4 hours. 91=2 hours, 94=1 hour, 97=0.5 hours, 100=15 minutes, 103=7.5 minutes (you get the idea here).
Most large concerts will go up to and beyond 100 decibels. A hit snare drum will go to 120dB, a pro golf swing driving down the fairway can hit 140dB. Most drummers lose hearing in their left ear from the hi hat (right handed drummers).

It was explained to me a long time ago by one of the sound guys from Rush is that the damage thats caused by the concert (or listening to loud music in general) has a cumulative effect, and it is permanent. Whats happened is the tiny hairs in your cochlea have been smashed down and the buzzing/ ringing is caused by those hairs misfiring signals to your brain. It may even out and your ears will adjust, but make no mistake, the loss is permanent.
Most people do very little to protect their hearing. Good earplugs are essential, as they help dampen the highs and condense the sound, but even they aren't foolproof. If you really want protection those protective ear muffs are the best. Those cheap orange things from a hardware store are only designed to protect against loud, infrequent sounds, like a hammer. They do very little with sustained sounds. Even if you don't noticeably hear ringing or buzzing, there still is damage done. If you don't want to wear the big headphone type, a good pair of plugs can really help protect your hearing.

I'm 50, and I can remember when I was a teen anyone who wore earplugs to a concert was a pussy. I saw Sabbath from the front row once, and my ears literally buzzed whenever anyone spoke for almost ten days afterward. Scared the hell out of me. But I know, my ears are shit now. Dozens of concerts with no ear protection, the crowd noise playing ball in college, blasting music from headphones on full volume, riding in the car with "kick ass" sound systems cranked to the max. Crazy damage I'm sure.
Now, I wont be caught dead at a concert without good, snug earplugs. But I still crank up the tunes in my cars, unless my wifes with me.

As to your question, it will probably even out over time, but any damage done will be permanent and cumulative. But don't despair too much, as we age naturally we lose frequencies several times.
I saw a Brain Games show recently (or whatever its called), where they proved that at certain ages, we just dont hear certain frequencies any more. It was pretty wild.
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Re: Will my hearing come back?
« Reply #53 on: April 11, 2014, 08:12:36 AM »
Could anyone maybe shine some light on what is happening?

Sure. You're overanalyizing this.

However, don't take my (or anybody elses) advice since none of us are ear specialists. Make an appointment with an ENT. Have your hearing checked and ask him all of these questions. You'll get opinions that are informed rather than generalizations based on people's summarizing of dB charts and anecdotal evidence. You'll also get some reassurance that you're just fine and overanalyzing all of this.

BTW, the fullness you describe is quite possibly a build up of earwax. Not everybody's ears drain as well as they should. Every couple of years mine will close up entirely and I have to make an appointment to have them cleaned out. This will also improve your hearing a wee bit. Any docinthebox can do it, or your regular doctor's PA, but consider this another reason to go get some professional advice.
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Re: Will my hearing come back?
« Reply #54 on: April 11, 2014, 09:00:44 AM »
Yeah not so long ago I lost all hearing in one ear and had to buy some olive oil ear drops to soften the build up of wax until the doctor could syringe the wax out.

I thought it would be an actual syringe - but no - :lol It was like shoving a fire hose in my ear

It was a funny / interesting sensation to say the least !


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« Reply #55 on: April 11, 2014, 09:23:22 AM »
Yeah not so long ago I lost all hearing in one ear and had to buy some olive oil ear drops to soften the build up of wax until the doctor could syringe the wax out.

I thought it would be an actual syringe - but no - :lol It was like shoving a fire hose in my ear

It was a funny / interesting sensation to say the least !
Yeah, oto-irrigation sucks, to say the least. That's another reason to go to an ENT. He can scoop it out manually. PA's and whatnot only now how to shoot water into your ear and make the room spin.
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Re: Will my hearing come back?
« Reply #56 on: April 11, 2014, 09:34:53 AM »
It was ok. It just felt like putting my head under a really powerful shower. It certainly didn't hurt or make me dizzy.

Maybe there's different levels for different people ?

Plus it gave my ears a nice scratch - so that kind of canceled out the unpleasantness  :P

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Re: Will my hearing come back?
« Reply #57 on: April 11, 2014, 10:34:56 AM »
I sang in rock bands for years. Its temporary.
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« Reply #58 on: April 11, 2014, 11:24:52 AM »
I sang in rock bands for years. Its temporary.

Until it isn't.

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Re: Will my hearing come back?
« Reply #59 on: April 11, 2014, 11:37:32 AM »
BTW, the fullness you describe is quite possibly a build up of earwax. Not everybody's ears drain as well as they should. Every couple of years mine will close up entirely and I have to make an appointment to have them cleaned out.

The bane of my existence when I was a kid, seriously. These days I just have one of those squishy bulbs at home so that when it happens, I can clear it out myself.
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« Reply #60 on: April 11, 2014, 11:47:51 AM »
I sang in rock bands for years. Its temporary.
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« Reply #61 on: April 11, 2014, 12:29:26 PM »
I sang in rock bands for years. Its temporary.

Paul Gilbert and Pete Townsend would like a word with you.
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« Reply #62 on: April 11, 2014, 12:44:50 PM »
I believe Pete has always maintained that it was the Smothers Brothers incident that wrecked his hearing. Nevertheless, I wouldn't argue that musicians shouldn't wear ear plugs. The constant exposure somebody like those two undergoes could do some real damage really fast.
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« Reply #63 on: April 11, 2014, 12:49:47 PM »
I sang in rock bands for years. Its temporary.

Paul Gilbert and Pete Townsend would like a word with you.
I guess what I'm saying is one concert shouldn't be that detrimental.
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« Reply #64 on: April 11, 2014, 12:51:49 PM »
I believe Pete has always maintained that it was the Smothers Brothers incident that wrecked his hearing. Nevertheless, I wouldn't argue that musicians shouldn't wear ear plugs. The constant exposure somebody like those two undergoes could do some real damage really fast.
As a vocalist I can't wear them. Its screws me up. I can't hear proper on stage. My band mates wear them and drive me nut telling me too wear them as well. Nope, not for me.
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« Reply #65 on: April 11, 2014, 01:14:12 PM »
Anyway, I think I have a very light tinnitus which results in a high pitched noise I can only hear when it's really silent.
I think I have had that since I was a baby, considering that in 16 years I've only been to one Dave Matthews and five Dream Theater concerts.
Too many a concert has been ruined by a sucky venue PA.
Doesn't DT tour with her own PA?
Not investing in a pair after you've experienced a painful concert and have been properly warned is like wearing a dunce cap.
To me, it's like eating spicy food: it hurts and tingles, and then again subsequently, but it feels good.
Projecting sound of course, but drums are loud.
Not nearly as loud as you would think. They're mic'd. See: https://youtu.be/7vV7XfjP04U?t=3m16s
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Re: Will my hearing come back?
« Reply #66 on: April 11, 2014, 01:32:47 PM »
Could anyone maybe shine some light on what is happening?


Sure. You're overanalyizing this.


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Re: Will my hearing come back?
« Reply #67 on: April 13, 2014, 10:25:04 AM »
My ears seem to be draining... At night, I feel like there is liquid coming out but I dont really see any...

I've have some very mild pain on both my ears...

My hearing is coming back to normal slowly... high frequencies are still a little loud but they are normalizing...

The part I do not get is the fluid that is draining... I no longer have a feeling of fullness, but when my ears drain a bit I hear better... is that normal?

Does any of this seem out of the ordinary? Is it possible that I got a middle ear infection some how?

The ear pain is not that painful and usually only lasts about 10 minutes.

I feel that my hearing is just trying to even itself out, but I have not found anything about something like that online...

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Re: Will my hearing come back?
« Reply #68 on: April 13, 2014, 10:33:27 AM »
Maybe you should see a Doctor instead of asking non doctors on a prog forum.


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Re: Will my hearing come back?
« Reply #69 on: April 13, 2014, 10:35:16 AM »
I will go see one, but I'm just curious if any of you have had anything remotely similar.