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Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - TEAM PART TIME - EAT, SLEEP, WIN THE TITLE, REPEAT
« Reply #525 on: November 24, 2014, 04:22:05 AM »
I'm not upset they put the title on Nikki more than... WTF was that entire match and feud about?
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« Reply #526 on: November 24, 2014, 05:39:42 AM »
While Nikki is still a horrible actress, she's been not bad in the ring recently. This whole feud with AJ was a whole lotta nothing though.

Ziggler, what a fucking performance! What a hoss! Once I saw Cena get eliminated, I was so happy that they left Ziggler to win the match by himself! Would've love for him and Rollins to have gone even longer.

And, fucking Sting man! I hadn't read any rumors about him being in the arena so I was completely taken by surprise! Too bad he's not using the WCW theme. :(
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« Reply #527 on: November 24, 2014, 06:02:49 AM »
Good god that was an awful PPV overall, but go Ziggler! That was about the only good part of the PPV, seeing Ziggler fight team authority alone and win. I knew Sting was coming back, but that didn't soften the blow of the disappointment, and it was just booooring.

I figured before the PPV that they were going to be light on matches, so that was super drawn out, and starting a PPV with 15 minutes of talking like every Raw was a bad move. The whole thing just felt like a typical episode of Raw.

AJ Lee getting squashed was pathetic.
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Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - TEAM PART TIME - EAT, SLEEP, WIN THE TITLE, REPEAT
« Reply #528 on: November 24, 2014, 07:52:02 AM »
I don't know man...I thought it was exactly what the "free subscribers" needed to see to get them to keep the network.  Sure, some of the matches were unnecessary or poorly executed (Adam Rose/Nikki Bella), but what was good about it was VERY good.  The 4 way tag was very strong with a lot of intensity and movement.  We got exactly what we needed to set up the TRUE Wyatt/Ambrose match, and that main event was fantastic. 

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« Reply #529 on: November 24, 2014, 08:38:19 AM »
I thought it was about the worst PPV they could present to get people to buy the network. It was no better than an average episode of Raw they get for free. The WWE is going to end up going till the Rumble without a title match, and most of the other title holders were in the one big match (which I thought was very good btw).
The tag match was also pretty good, but the rest was overly drawn out with rehashes of Raw footage and talking, and was not very good. It was a contender with the Rumble for the worst PPV of the year.

They have a habit of copout finishes to draw out feuds lately, so the Wyatt/Ambrose match didn't feel conclusive or important, when PPV matches should always feel more important than the cycle of matches they do on Raw. Not to mention that Wyatt just can't wrestle, so that feud is an absolute waste of Ambrose's talents.

The only thing of importance was the big match, and that felt somewhat manufactured due to the lack of a title match, just like Cena's match with Orton to determine the #1 contender at HIAC, which has gone unmentioned since because the champion is still sitting at home getting a paycheck for doing nothing. It was easily the highlight of the PPV, but it couldn't save it.

Having Lesnar as a champ is a big deal, but it's actually dragging them down to have so many PPVs without the title even being defended.
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« Reply #530 on: November 24, 2014, 08:53:57 AM »
I liked the 4 way tag match (although I hate the two men in the ring at a time rule)

I really liked the ambrose/wyatt match and I am really looking forward to their rematch at TLC

I liked the main event but I did not like how quickly ryback was eliminated or the random heel turn from big show.

Overall Survivor Series was disappointing, but it did have its moments. At least I liked it more than battleground.

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« Reply #531 on: November 24, 2014, 09:21:08 AM »
The whole point of providing the network for free during November was to provide "can't miss" content to non subscribers.  And technically people don't watch RAW for free.  They pay their cable provider to watch it.  So if there's 4 million people watching RAW every week and only 750,000 Network subscribers, then there needs to be "can't miss" content on the Network.  They need to reach out to the 95% of people who don't have the Network, especially cable subscribers who are going to tune into RAW to see if Sting shows up because they missed it last night.   Regardless of the overall quality of the PPV, bringing Sting out was can't miss.  Having the US Title match was can't miss.  Austin's exclusive interview with McMahon next week will be can't miss.  If all of that new/original/exclusive content, plus the thousands of hours of new and pre-existing content on the Network isn't enough for people to cough up $9.99/month, then I'm not sure what else WWE needs to do.  For me, the Network is easily worth $49.99/month. 

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Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - TEAM PART TIME - EAT, SLEEP, WIN THE TITLE, REPEAT
« Reply #532 on: November 24, 2014, 09:36:00 AM »
I was extremely excited to see Sting, but I have to admit, I do think they could have made that match's ending much better.  As amazing as it was to see Sting, he did kind of take away from the awesome match Ziggler and Rollins were putting on.  Having them just lie there motionlessly while Sting and HHH stared each other down for five minutes was a little sad, and having Sting trigger the finish wasn't great, either.  I think it would have been much better if Sting had just dropped HHH and then left, leaving Ziggler and Rollins to get up and finish the match on their own.  Ziggler hits one last big move and gets the win for real, rather than being literally dragged into it. 

I also think Sting's entrance could have been much cooler.  I'm okay with him just walking out (it would be amazing to see him lowered from the ceiling, but I totally understand why we're never going to see that in a WWE arena again, and having the lights go out and him appear in the ring might be too similar to Undertaker for WWE's liking), but it would have been cool for him to come out to classic music.  And for crying out loud, why didn't he have a baseball bat?!?  It was Sting, with his crow gimmick, coming out to challenge the corrupt ruling entity, and he didn't have a baseball bat!   :lol

But anyway, all small complaints aside, I thought it was amazing to see him.  If nothing else, this means we're finally going to get a proper DVD package of his career, and probably a Wrestlemania match as well. 
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Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - TEAM PART TIME - EAT, SLEEP, WIN THE TITLE, REPEAT
« Reply #533 on: November 24, 2014, 10:59:28 AM »
I preferred Sting before he started ripping off the Crow.  Of course, he wasn't a brooding supernatural creature then, he was just a hell of a wrestler who could hang with almost anyone in the ring and painted his face.
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Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - TEAM PART TIME - EAT, SLEEP, WIN THE TITLE, REPEAT
« Reply #534 on: November 24, 2014, 11:04:38 AM »
Yeah, he sure did look odd without the bat.

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Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - TEAM PART TIME - EAT, SLEEP, WIN THE TITLE, REPEAT
« Reply #535 on: November 24, 2014, 12:18:49 PM »
I preferred Sting before he started ripping off the Crow.  Of course, he wasn't a brooding supernatural creature then, he was just a hell of a wrestler who could hang with almost anyone in the ring and painted his face.

To be honest, I'm not all that familiar with pre-Crow Sting. 
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« Reply #536 on: November 24, 2014, 12:28:38 PM »
I preferred Sting before he started ripping off the Crow.  Of course, he wasn't a brooding supernatural creature then, he was just a hell of a wrestler who could hang with almost anyone in the ring and painted his face.

To be honest, I'm not all that familiar with pre-Crow Sting.
That's too bad, because that's when he was awesome.
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Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - TEAM PART TIME - EAT, SLEEP, WIN THE TITLE, REPEAT
« Reply #537 on: November 24, 2014, 12:51:05 PM »
Pre-Crow Sting was much more about being impressive in ring, and whenever someone mentions how good Sting was, I always presume they mean Pre-Crow.
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« Reply #538 on: November 24, 2014, 01:12:35 PM »
He was really good then.  I saw him go to a draw with Ric Flair in Flair's heyday - was at least a 45-minute match, may have been an hour.  It was fantastic.
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« Reply #539 on: November 24, 2014, 01:31:40 PM »
I got the Best of Blu-Ray last month. Watched a few of the early matches, and man he was rough to start, but by the early 90s, was amazing.  Gotta revisit that.  Looking forward to the Great Muta match
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Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - TEAM PART TIME - EAT, SLEEP, WIN THE TITLE, REPEAT
« Reply #540 on: November 24, 2014, 03:25:08 PM »
I loved Sting since the day I started watching wrestling and I'm really praying that they don't just completely ruin his run with their tame, watered down WWE non-sense.


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« Reply #541 on: November 24, 2014, 06:28:32 PM »
He was really good then.  I saw him go to a draw with Ric Flair in Flair's heyday - was at least a 45-minute match, may have been an hour.  It was fantastic.

You are probably thinking about the first Clash of the Champions. 45 minute draw. 5 star classic, amazing match.

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« Reply #542 on: November 24, 2014, 08:08:38 PM »
I was extremely excited to see Sting, but I have to admit, I do think they could have made that match's ending much better.  As amazing as it was to see Sting, he did kind of take away from the awesome match Ziggler and Rollins were putting on.  Having them just lie there motionlessly while Sting and HHH stared each other down for five minutes was a little sad, and having Sting trigger the finish wasn't great, either.  I think it would have been much better if Sting had just dropped HHH and then left, leaving Ziggler and Rollins to get up and finish the match on their own.  Ziggler hits one last big move and gets the win for real, rather than being literally dragged into it. 


I agree. It was Ziggler's moment, and having a washed up Sting come in and take up so much time for nothing was classic WCW at its worst. :lol
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« Reply #543 on: November 24, 2014, 09:10:55 PM »
He was really good then.  I saw him go to a draw with Ric Flair in Flair's heyday - was at least a 45-minute match, may have been an hour.  It was fantastic.

You are probably thinking about the first Clash of the Champions. 45 minute draw. 5 star classic, amazing match.
Nah, I watched that too, but on PPV.  I am talking about a house show I attended in Charlotte.
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« Reply #544 on: November 27, 2014, 08:49:43 AM »
CM Punk speaks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxHRJnZsinQ

Source: PWInsider & Art of Wrestling Podcast

*Punk made it clear that he's the happiest he's personally been in many years and that at times, he will come off bitter while discussing what happened, but it's "OK to be bitter" and that's part of going through the process of dealing with everything and that his appearance wasn't meant to be an attack on WWE, but a discussion of what his led to his departure.

*The most amazing thing to come out of the interview is that Punk didn't quit WWE after all - he was fired. While he left the company in January, he was told weeks later by Vince McMahon via text that he was suspended for two months. The next day, Vince told stockholders that Punk was on a "sabbatical." When the suspension ended, no one in WWE contacted Punk. When Punk finally reached out asking where royalties that were owed to him were, he got a run-around from WWE Execs until he received termination papers informing him he was in breach of contract on his wedding day. So, they technically fired him on his wedding day in June 2014, which Punk said was "going too f***ing far." Punk claimed the company tried to find him in "retro-breach" in June, instead of claiming he breached his deal back in January 2014 and he knew legally, that wouldn't stick.

*Punk said he left WWE the day after The Royal Rumble for one main reason: his health. During the podcast, Punk went into great, esquisite detail about the last several months in the company, which includes Punk being so injured that he's working with broken ribs (thanks to Ryback), a concussion (which he ignored after WWE medical asked him if he was OK to go on a European tour, so he toughed it out, which he noted was his own mistake) and injured knees. During the November tour, Punk was getting so sick that he was puking and dry heaving every night after wrestling, had a fever for months and had no appetite. WWE medical had given him so many antibiotics by that he pooped himself in the ring on Smackdown all while watching his checks shrink. Punk described it as the worst he ever felt in his life and being unable to sleep because he was so sick. This went all the way through the end of his WWE run.

*At the Royal Rumble, Punk suffered a concussion early on and still worked the entire match. The next day, he passed the company's concussion test (which he described as "bullsh**") while texting Colt Cabana and wearing headphones. WWE then told him he passed the test but they wanted him to go run the ring ropes to check him again. Punk said he felt like they wanted him to go run the ropes like some 2 week rookie in front of everyone and refused. At that point, Punk demanded they just decide he has a concussion and admitted that until then he was just trying to deny he was hurt and tough it out.

That same day, the company began pressuring him about signing visas for future tours and taking a drug test instead of listening to his requests to "f***ing help me" because something was obviously wrong with all the issues that had built up. Deciding he had enough, Punk said he decided to tell Vince McMahon and Triple H he was going home. Punk's version of this conversation is something to behold as he calmly tears into Triple H for cutting off his momentum in 2011 (Punk goes into great detail on issues with HHH), complains to Vince that he's stifled Punk's creativity and tells them both it's garbage they aren't considering Daniel Bryan for the main event of Wrestlemania 30, passing him by the way they've passed Punk by. He told them he was done and didn't want to do this anymore. Vince hugged him goodbye in tears and told him he was family, yet later suspended and fired Punk.

*Punk also told a story of going to WWE's doctor because he found a lump on his back during the same time period as the November 2013 European tour. The WWE Doctor, identified by Punk as Dr. Chris Amann, diagnosed it as a fatty deposit. Punk told several stories of asking for Amann to cut it out, but Amann says no because it wasn't hurting Punk. Punk explained that WWE docs cut things out of the wrestlers on a regular basis. Amann declined several times to remove it with Punk describing him as "lazy" in explicit, colorful terms. The day of the 2014 Rumble, Punk told Amann that it was now badly hurting and purple and bigger. Amann told him he couldn't do it then because Punk had to work the Rumble. After the Rumble, Punk demanded it be cut out right now and Amann noted that Punk would need to be on antibiotics, to which Punk responded that had been put on antibiotics WWE docs have given him for three months, which is why he pooped his pants.

*After leaving WWE and still not feeling any better weeks later, his wife AJ Lee convinced him go to her doctor. Her doctor (without knowing who Punk was or having any background information), immediately looked at the lump and diagnosed Punk with a MERSA staph infection. The doctor proceeded to squeeze the lump so hard the puss hit the ceiling. Punk said getting it cleaned out was the worst pain in his life and he needed specific medications for the infection, so none of the meds WWE had been giving him were any help. So, Punk had been wrestling the last few months of his WWE run with a staph infection in his back, which he stated was ignored and/or misdiagnosed by WWE's medical staff. When the doctor asked Punk how long he had the lump and Punk told him a few months, the doctor told him, "You should be dead."

*Punk talked about how badly hurt he was during his 2011-2014 WWE run and that on two occasions, he literally came out of surgery (and in one story, was walking out of the hospital following knee surgery) to find out he was being brought back almost immediately to TV with no time off. After elbow surgery, he was told he was being brought back to the road and TV to cut promos and after the knee surgery, was told he was being brought back in three weeks to work a TLC match against Ryback. Punk's version of these stories were enough to really make you shake your head and really need to be heard in his own voice.
*Punk described his wrestling career as a failure as he failed to get to the main event of Wrestlemania and that he's come to terms with that as he's moving on to the next stage of his life. He said that it was ridiculous that so many current roster members have not been in the Mania main event position. Punk talked about politicking to get to that level, but it was never about winning or being the guy. He said he needed to get there so he could learn to work at that level and get better, draw more and be an asset to the company. He said he would hear he wasn't a draw, but every chance he had, he "shoved it down their f***ing throats." He said that it all comes down to an "out of touch old man" (Vince McMahon) and his decisions.

*Punk said he knew he had the best match at Wrestlemania 29 and he was praised for it, but he knew he didn't get the money that John Cena, Undertaker, Brock Lesnar, Rock, and Triple H got for the show.

*Punk said that for anyone complaining he left WWE in a lurch, he didn't hold WWE up for money and didn't ask for anything and didn't walk out in the middle of a storyline. He was chokeslammed by Kane and he was gone. He went home for his health and sanity, although he did note he was frustrated with seeing smaller checks and not getting answers as to how the WWE Network will change the pay scale. Punk noted that everyone was afraid to ask Vince McMahon and even Randy Orton was coming to him asking if he knew anything.

*Punk said that when WWE fired him and issued him a contract breach, he hired a very "vicious" Los Angeles lawyer to go after WWE to fight the breach and in the end, he got a settlement that gave him everything he asked for "and more." He said he's just not allowed to talk about the settlement, but pretty much made it clear he got everything he wanted and noted it was stupid of WWE to even advertise him for the next WWE 2K15 videogame. He said he is completely done and clear of WWE and they will never, ever have a working relationship ever again.

*Punk said they were terrified that as an independent contract for the last ten years, that he would take them to court and ruin their way of doing business.
*When WWE later asked to issue a joint statement between the two, he told them to "F*** off."

*Punk talked in detail about WWE using the independent contractor status, noting the company does concussion testing to help themselves, not the wrestlers. He noted all the money the NFL Player's Union is forcing the NFL to pay for old injuries and medical concerns of players and that WWE is doing all this to prevent wrestlers from being able to say that they aren't. Punk said that if WWE truly cared for the talents, they would allow a union to be created for the talents.
*Punk also noted that he was to star in "12 Rounds 2" while he was WWE champion. When signing the paperwork, he noticed the filming dates were the same as a WWE European tour and Triple H. Triple H told him that was not the case but he will look into it. The next day, WWE announced Randy Orton would star in the move with HHH never calling Punk to inform him of the change because, as Punk said, "He thinks I'm a piece of sh**." Punk said it was indicative of the lack of respect he was shown by those in the company.

*Punk said wrestling Ryback took "20 years off his life" and talked in detail about how badly hurt he was working with, as Punk described him, "Steroid guy."
*WWE was afraid he was going to TNA, but his lawyer told WWE that he despises wrestling now and will never wrestle again.

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Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - CM Punk speaks
« Reply #545 on: November 27, 2014, 08:52:40 AM »
Listening to it now. Its awesome

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Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - CM Punk speaks
« Reply #546 on: November 27, 2014, 09:37:29 AM »
While Punk probably embellished some stuff and has a big ego, I'm thinking most of what he said was true, especially about Vince and HHH.  Too many stories about those guys over the years for it not be mostly true.  HHH has never struck me as anything but an asshole, and this interview just reaffirms what I've always thought.  Vince always treats most of his wrestlers like shit.

And with Punk and Bryan gone, the product is so awful now.  I've barely watched for months, and I don't see me ever really being someone again who watches it regularly.

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« Reply #547 on: November 27, 2014, 09:45:29 AM »

And with Punk and Bryan gone, the product is so awful now.  I've barely watched for months, and I don't see me ever really being someone again who watches it regularly.

I flipped by Raw on Monday, and saw Bryan come out in the opening segment.  Is he back full-time now?

And yeah, HHH is 10 pounds of asshole in a 5-pound bag.
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Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - CM Punk speaks
« Reply #548 on: November 27, 2014, 09:52:00 AM »

And with Punk and Bryan gone, the product is so awful now.  I've barely watched for months, and I don't see me ever really being someone again who watches it regularly.

I flipped by Raw on Monday, and saw Bryan come out in the opening segment.  Is he back full-time now?


Daniel Bryan's return is for Monday's Raw and Friday's Smackdown only. From what I understand, he has a ways to go yet.

WWE should take this is a chance to severely overhaul how they do business. Sometimes, I think they're headed in the right direction, like when they had Bryan win at WM, and when they had Dolph be the sole survivor the other night. But still, so much other bad stuff going on, none worse than an absent WWEWHC. But those are all "creative" things. What Punk shed light on (which comes as no surprise to most of us) is the overuse of antibiotics and painkillers along with how wrestlers are forced to play through injuries/concussions etc are much bigger issues that must be addressed immediately. It's 2014... get with the times!

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Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - CM Punk speaks
« Reply #549 on: November 27, 2014, 01:32:23 PM »
Oh dang, I just read this news at 411mania.com and was about to post this, but you guys are on the ball of it as usual.  Well, that sucks that what happened, happened and all.  Hopefully, Punk can be happy with his life and with AJ and move on.  I heard he's a writer for Marvel now or was that just a one-time thing?

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« Reply #550 on: November 28, 2014, 12:35:42 PM »
I would guess it's only a matter of time before A.J. Lee leaves wrestling, too.  She is probably staying until her contract is up and then she'll leave.  That has to be kind of weird for her to still be working there, knowing how poorly they treated her husband - all of that stuff with the doctors not taking care of him properly and firing him on his wedding day - and knowing how much her husband now hates the company.  Hell, if I were her, I'd be worried about Vince or HHH having one of the divas stiff her on purpose and jack her face up or something near the end of her contract.  I don't put anything past those petulant children otherwise knows as the McMahons and HHH.

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Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - CM Punk speaks
« Reply #551 on: November 28, 2014, 12:48:27 PM »
The response to this has been pretty good and damning of some people.
Road Dogg only read the headlines because he made the comment "how would anyone of known he was getting married", when Punk told Trips.
Ryback is digging himself into a whole by mocking Punk.
Jericho took a shot at Colt Cabana by saying "Colt Who?" before deleting that tweet.
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Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - TEAM PART TIME - EAT, SLEEP, WIN THE TITLE, REPEAT
« Reply #552 on: November 28, 2014, 01:30:01 PM »
Regardless of the overall quality of the PPV, bringing Sting out was can't miss.

I used to miss Sting every week for Monday Night Raw, back in 1998 when he was in his prime.

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Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - CM Punk speaks
« Reply #553 on: November 28, 2014, 10:12:03 PM »
WWE should take this is a chance to severely overhaul how they do business. Sometimes, I think they're headed in the right direction, like when they had Bryan win at WM, and when they had Dolph be the sole survivor the other night. But still, so much other bad stuff going on, none worse than an absent WWEWHC. But those are all "creative" things. What Punk shed light on (which comes as no surprise to most of us) is the overuse of antibiotics and painkillers along with how wrestlers are forced to play through injuries/concussions etc are much bigger issues that must be addressed immediately. It's 2014... get with the times!

Agreed. I've been in favor of some kind of offseason or forced vacation for the talent. Stack them in a way that you never miss good/top guys while others are in vacation.

There is no need for this guys to kill themselves for 4-5 days a week, absolutely no need
 
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Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - CM Punk speaks
« Reply #554 on: November 30, 2014, 08:30:27 AM »
WWE should take this is a chance to severely overhaul how they do business. Sometimes, I think they're headed in the right direction, like when they had Bryan win at WM, and when they had Dolph be the sole survivor the other night. But still, so much other bad stuff going on, none worse than an absent WWEWHC. But those are all "creative" things. What Punk shed light on (which comes as no surprise to most of us) is the overuse of antibiotics and painkillers along with how wrestlers are forced to play through injuries/concussions etc are much bigger issues that must be addressed immediately. It's 2014... get with the times!

Agreed. I've been in favor of some kind of offseason or forced vacation for the talent. Stack them in a way that you never miss good/top guys while others are in vacation.

There is no need for this guys to kill themselves for 4-5 days a week, absolutely no need

Agreed. They have so many wrestlers, that they could come up with a way to work guys in and out of the road schedule.



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Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - CM Punk speaks
« Reply #555 on: November 30, 2014, 08:30:49 AM »
This "New Day" garbage is just the same old shit. Take three minorities with potential and repackage them into this crap where they've got to sing and dance and be caricatures. Kofi Kingston has been on the main roster for SEVEN YEARS.... he should be a main eventer by now. If I were Booking, 2011 Little Jimmy I'll be a good R-Truth R-Truth would have been pushed through the roof and he'd have been a World Champion for sure. This shit is so sad, stale and stagnant.

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Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - CM Punk speaks
« Reply #556 on: November 30, 2014, 11:19:11 AM »
Nah, I think Kingston is actually used properly.  Not every guy is a main eventer, and Kingston does well as an upper mid-carder who always dazzles in the specialty matches like the RR and EC cause of the acrobatic things he can do. 

I agree though that the little jimmy thing they had R-Truth doing was hilarious, but he was merely fed to Cena and then buried after that.  Same old, same old.


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Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - CM Punk speaks
« Reply #557 on: November 30, 2014, 05:16:05 PM »
I agree with that R-Truth sentiment, I also thought they had something nice they could do when he and Miz paired up and had that whole conspiracy thing going.
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Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - CM Punk speaks
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Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - CM Punk speaks
« Reply #559 on: December 02, 2014, 07:23:45 PM »
Zack Ryder is a loser. I don't see the appeal.