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Should DT throw MP's name into the "thank you's" if they win the Grammy?

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It would be cool of them, but ultimately unecessary
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Voting closed: December 18, 2013, 04:03:23 PM

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Offline WildeSilas

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If DT wins, should they give a shout out to MP?
« on: December 16, 2013, 04:03:23 PM »
So I was thinking about this and the obvious answer is "no." They surely wouldn't mention KM or DS, so why MP? But then I considered the fact that at this point in their career, these Grammy nominations aren't coming so much because DT is making better albums than they were ten or twenty years ago. Much like Jethro Tull years ago with the Metallica fiasco, the nominations are a nod to DT's longevity and arguably their entire body of work.

That said, I think it's absolutely unnecessary to thank MP in an acceptance speech because the guys are always moving and looking forward not back. MP had no association with either of the last two albums, so why mention him at all? At the same time, it might be classy on their part to throw his name into the "thank you's" to acknowledge his considerable contribution to their career up to this point. Plus, it kind of sucks for MP that they started getting these nominations right after he quits. Tbh, I've been a little uncomfortable with how quick some of the other band members are to point out that the writing team has always been JR and JP, when MP was obviously a big part of it as well. You can't re-write that history and I think it would be a cool move on their part to tip their hat to him in that scenario.

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Re: If DT wins, should they give a shout out to MP?
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2013, 04:06:50 PM »
Yes they should, in the same way that they'll thank their families, even though they had no hand in writing the actual song they're nominated for. Without Portnoy's work, Dream Theater would not be where they are, they would have nowhere near the fame and respect they now have, so he deserves a nod in my opinion, out of respect for his 25 years.   

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Re: If DT wins, should they give a shout out to MP?
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2013, 04:45:45 PM »
Perhaps MP was not involved in writing the last two albums, but the band has definitely come a long way musically, and a lot of the influence and the sound that now is part of the essence of the band have come from elements brought in by MP in the time he was present. On the other hand, I'm not quite sure if all the members of the band would be quite comfortable with doing it, and it wouldn't be appropriate to do something when not everyone agrees since it can lead to further issues.

I guess one also has to consider that MP's departure was rather voluntary and it could've brought much more trouble than it did (as far as we know), and he could have been a member of the band and get nominated (most likely, considering I'm with those who believe the nominations are partly a nod at the endurance and relevance the band has gained) if it had been his decision.

I don't really know if he would be mentioned if it was up to me. It would be a nice thing to do and I think MP would appreciate it a lot, but what is going on at the moment is the most important thing and if everyone isn't up to it (or if anyone actually feels like throwing in the idea of giving a shout out to MP) they shouldn't really do it.

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Re: If DT wins, should they give a shout out to MP?
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2013, 05:53:28 PM »
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Re: If DT wins, should they give a shout out to MP?
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2013, 06:11:13 PM »
I think if the mic ends up closest to JP, JR or perhaps even MM, it'll happen and if it ends up closest to JLB it won't. And if it ends up closest to JMX the world will explode.
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Re: If DT wins, should they give a shout out to MP?
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2013, 06:19:34 PM »
"We would like to thank Mike Portnoy for quitting the band. If he was still in the band, we probably wouldn't have written this song, and wouldn't have been nominated for a Grammy."
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Re: If DT wins, should they give a shout out to MP?
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2013, 06:21:09 PM »
"We would like to thank Mike Portnoy for quitting the band. If he was still in the band, we probably wouldn't have written this song, and wouldn't have been nominated for a Grammy."

 :omg:  Yeah, that.    :tup  That's a bit dark,  but yeah, they are not going to say that.

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Re: If DT wins, should they give a shout out to MP?
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2013, 06:22:47 PM »
They're not going to win, so it probably doesn't matter.
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Re: If DT wins, should they give a shout out to MP?
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2013, 06:33:13 PM »
Yeah, definitely.

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Re: If DT wins, should they give a shout out to MP?
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2013, 07:56:11 PM »
They're not going to win, so it probably doesn't matter.

That, but if they do, I think they should. They wouldn't be where they are without MP's contribution (or any of the other current members for that matter), and I see the nomination as more about the band rather than the song, so MP is still a big part of that.
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Re: If DT wins, should they give a shout out to MP?
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2013, 07:57:19 PM »
If they thank MP, they have to thank Chris Collins too.

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Re: If DT wins, should they give a shout out to MP?
« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2013, 07:59:11 PM »
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Re: If DT wins, should they give a shout out to MP?
« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2013, 08:02:17 PM »
If they thank MP, they have to thank Chris Collins too.

I know you're kidding, but actually, that's a good point. As much as MP did for them, I think it'd be better if they kind of generalized it and said something like, "Thanks to everyone who's ever been a part of the DT family. You helped mold this band into what it is today."

I do think it would be kind of weird to just thank MP of all people, unless they list him among various names of crew, management, family and friends, etc.
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Re: If DT wins, should they give a shout out to MP?
« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2013, 08:12:35 PM »
Ehhh. MP certainly deserves credit for DT place in progressive Rock history....25 years of influence and making music with them and all. But, the Grammy nominations came AFTER he left.....they may created great songs with him that could have been Grammy nomination worthy.....but never got the nod. He always insisted that's not why they made music....maybe they never submitted ballots when he was in the band? Who knows. Point is...they never were nominated with him in the band.

I don't think just because he was in a band for 25 years and then after he left them high and dry for the reason(s) he did that if, they had won before or if they win now....he deserves in any way to be thanked for winning them. He had no creative input on the songs that they've written without him...of which two were nominated for Grammys.

With that being said, knowing the class that JP has and how genuinely nice JR and MM are....they would probably somehow mention MP and thank him......just because they are that nice and genuine. They certainly don't Owe it to him for any reason IMO

To me....if any thanks are given to him it should be for giving them the inspiration, the drive and fuel to go out and write some incredible music and have the chance to bring a drummer in who's constantly trying to improve and do what it takes to be a member of the team.
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Re: If DT wins, should they give a shout out to MP?
« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2013, 09:14:31 PM »
If they thank MP, they have to thank Chris Collins too.

I know you're kidding, but actually, that's a good point. As much as MP did for them, I think it'd be better if they kind of generalized it and said something like, "Thanks to everyone who's ever been a part of the DT family. You helped mold this band into what it is today."


This.

Maybe not for Chris Collins but definitely Dominici, Moore and Sherinian, since they all had input original DT CD's.

As for the matter, I think they don't have to but they should.
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Re: If DT wins, should they give a shout out to MP?
« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2013, 09:34:03 PM »
You left out some choices...

What are Dream Theater going to do with Mike Portnoy? 

Should they let him be thanked at the awards ceremony?

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Re: If DT wins, should they give a shout out to MP?
« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2013, 10:44:23 PM »
Without Portnoy's work, Dream Theater would not be where they are, they would have nowhere near the fame and respect they now have, so he deserves a nod in my opinion

The same could be said for Kevin Moore, since his writing was crucial on I&W, which they wouldn't be nearly as popular without, not to mention him writing the lyrics for the song that gave them their big break, Pull Me Under.  Should they thank him, too? ;)

  As much as MP did for them, I think it'd be better if they kind of generalized it and said something like, "Thanks to everyone who's ever been a part of the DT family. You helped mold this band into what it is today."
 

I like this answer. :tup :tup

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Re: If DT wins, should they give a shout out to MP?
« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2013, 10:49:58 PM »
If they thank MP, they have to thank Chris Collins too.

I know you're kidding, but actually, that's a good point. As much as MP did for them, I think it'd be better if they kind of generalized it and said something like, "Thanks to everyone who's ever been a part of the DT family. You helped mold this band into what it is today."

I do think it would be kind of weird to just thank MP of all people, unless they list him among various names of crew, management, family and friends, etc.
Good points all around.

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Re: If DT wins, should they give a shout out to MP?
« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2013, 11:47:37 PM »
If they were nominated for a lifetime achievement award and won, sure. But now they are nominated for a song that MP had no part of. So no.

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Re: If DT wins, should they give a shout out to MP?
« Reply #19 on: December 16, 2013, 11:48:38 PM »
If they were nominated for a lifetime achievement award and won, sure. But now they are nominated for a song that MP had no part of. So no.

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Re: If DT wins, should they give a shout out to MP?
« Reply #20 on: December 17, 2013, 02:12:04 AM »
If they were nominated for a lifetime achievement award and won, sure. But now they are nominated for a song that MP had no part of. So no.
This. And if they thanked MP, they should also say thanks to everyone who has been part of the band at some point.

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Re: If DT wins, should they give a shout out to MP?
« Reply #21 on: December 17, 2013, 02:59:34 AM »
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Re: If DT wins, should they give a shout out to MP?
« Reply #22 on: December 17, 2013, 05:30:02 AM »
Not if James gets hold of the mic.

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Re: If DT wins, should they give a shout out to MP?
« Reply #23 on: December 17, 2013, 05:50:42 AM »
If they were nominated for a lifetime achievement award and won, sure. But now they are nominated for a song that MP had no part of. So no.

This is how I feel as well.  I also thought (previously posted by another user above) about the thanking everyone more-or-less indirectly for where they are today. 

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Re: If DT wins, should they give a shout out to MP?
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Re: If DT wins, should they give a shout out to MP?
« Reply #25 on: December 17, 2013, 09:47:07 AM »
It's been 3 years now since MP left. Given that I don't remember any mention of past members in previous award shout-outs, I don't see the necessity to give a shout-out to MP. And yeah, this would be for a specific song that MP had absolutely nothing to do with.
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Re: If DT wins, should they give a shout out to MP?
« Reply #26 on: December 17, 2013, 09:57:19 AM »
If they were nominated for a lifetime achievement award and won, sure. But now they are nominated for a song that MP had no part of. So no.

Totally agree with this.
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Re: If DT wins, should they give a shout out to MP?
« Reply #27 on: December 17, 2013, 10:03:14 AM »
I think they should give a shout out to the DTF. 

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Re: If DT wins, should they give a shout out to MP?
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Re: If DT wins, should they give a shout out to MP?
« Reply #29 on: December 17, 2013, 11:10:51 AM »
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Re: If DT wins, should they give a shout out to MP?
« Reply #31 on: December 17, 2013, 01:59:03 PM »
"We would like to thank Mike Portnoy for quitting the band. If he was still in the band, we probably wouldn't have written this song, and wouldn't have been nominated for a Grammy."

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It's for this particular song, which MP had no part of writing (and from his comments he doesn't like the direction the band have gone in since he left). If it was a lifetime achievement award, fair enough.

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Re: If DT wins, should they give a shout out to MP?
« Reply #32 on: December 17, 2013, 02:54:54 PM »
Not at all. ADToE and s/t had their first Grammy nominations because they're way better then the heavility MP-influenced Systematic chaos and b&sl. So really, they owe both nods to MP not being in the band.

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Re: If DT wins, should they give a shout out to MP?
« Reply #33 on: December 17, 2013, 03:54:34 PM »
They are probably going to have about 15 seconds for thank yous so I doubt they are going to have time to thank Chris Collins and Steve Stone...or John Myung. 

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Re: If DT wins, should they give a shout out to MP?
« Reply #34 on: December 18, 2013, 04:22:36 AM »
It's not a lifetime achievement award.  So no, not in any way.

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