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sticky for abbreviations
« on: September 28, 2013, 02:16:05 PM »
People throw around a lot of abbreviations for DT's albums and songs.  A lot of times when I see one, I have to look at the song list on my itunes to figure out which song they are talking about.  I think it would be a good idea to have a sticky with an alphabetical list of abbreviations as a reference for those who are new to DT or aren't regular visitors to DTF.

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Re: sticky for abbreviations
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2013, 03:20:46 PM »
People throw around a lot of abbreviations for DT's albums and songs.  A lot of times when I see one, I have to look at the song list on my itunes to figure out which song they are talking about.  I think it would be a good idea to have a sticky with an alphabetical list of abbreviations as a reference for those who are new to DT or aren't regular visitors to DTF.

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Re: sticky for abbreviations
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2013, 12:07:04 PM »
I agree...ttyl.
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Re: sticky for abbreviations
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2013, 01:22:29 PM »
I remember when I first joined the forum, all the acronyms everywhere kept confusing me  :lol But I eventually got used to it and now it's second nature to me, since I spend so much time on the forum.

Anyway, since I was bored I decided to throw something together for the newer members or people that don't visit the forum that often (I was listening to the new album waiting for the football to start, had nothing better to do  ;D ). Rushed through it a bit, so there are probably a few mistakes and omissions, let me know if you spot any. Some of these aren't used regularly, if at all, but I put them in anyway.

Band Members:
JP - John Petrucci (The Bear)
JM/JMX - John Myung (The Ninja)
JLB - James LaBrie (The Pirate)
JR - Jordan Rudess (The Wizard)
MM - Mike Mangini (The Genie)

Former Members:
MP - Mike Portnoy
KM - Kevin Moore
DS - Derek Sherinian
CD - Charlie Dominici
CC - Chris Collins (Pre Dream Theater)

Studio Albums/EP:
WDADU - When Dream and Day Unite
I&W - Images and Words
ACOS - A Change of Seasons
FII - Falling Into Infinity
SFAM - Scenes From a Memory
SDOIT/6DOIT/6D/6° - Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
TOT - Train of Thoughts
8VM - Octavarium
SC - Systematic Chaos
BC/BC&SL - Black Clouds and Silver Linings
ADTOE - A Dramatic Turn of Events
DT/DT12/ST - Dream Theater (Self Titled)

Live Releases:
LATM - Live at the Marquee
OIALT - Once in a Livetime
5YIALT - 5 Years in a Livetime
LSFNY - Live Scenes From New York
LAB - Live at Budokan
CIM - Chaos in Motion
LALP - Live at Luna Park

Studio Songs:

When Dream and Day Unite
1. AFIL - A Fortune in Lies
2. SS - Status Seeker
3. YJ - Ytse Jam
4. TKH - The Killing Hand
5. LFAGA - Light Fuse and Get Away
6. AL - Afterlife
7. TOWHTSTS - The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun
8. OAMOT - Only a Matter of Time

Images and Words
1. PMU - Pull me Under
2. AD - Another Day
3. TTT - Take the Time
4. Surrounded
5. Metropolis
6. UAGM - Under a Glass Moon
7. WFS - Wait for Sleep
8. LTL - Learning to Live

Awake
1. 6:00
2. CIAW - Caught in a Web
3. IF - Innocence Faded
4. (AMBI - A Mind Beside Itself): I. Erotomania
5. (AMBI - A Mind Beside Itself): II. Voices
6. (AMBI - A Mind Beside Itself): III. TSM - The Silent Man
7. TM - The Mirror
8. Lie
9. LSOAD - Lifting Shadows off a Dream
10. Scarred
11. SDV - Space-dye Vest

A Change of Seasons

1. ACOS - A Change of Seasons
2. FFAF/LLB - Funeral For a Friend/Love Lies Bleeding
3. PS - Perfect Strangers
4. LZM - Led Zeppelin Medley
5. TBM - The Big Medley

Falling Into Infinity

1. NM - New Millennium
2. YNM - You Not Me
3. PS - Peruvian Skies
4. HY - Hollow Years
5. BMS - Burning My Soul
6. HK - Hell's Kitchen
7. LITS - Lines in the Sand
8. TAMP - Take Away My Pain
9. JLMB - Just Let Me Breathe
10. AL - Anna Lee
11. TOT - Trial of Tears

Scenes From a Memory
1. Regression
2. Overture 1928
3. SDV - Strange Deja Vu
4. TMW - Through My Words
5. FT - Fatal Tragedy
6. BTL - Beyond This Life
7. THE - Through Her Eyes
8. Home
9. TDOE - The Dance of Eternity
10. OLT - Once Last Time
11. TSCO - The Spirit Carries On
12. FF - Finally Free

Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
1. TGP - The Glass Prison
2. BF - Blind Faith
3. Misunderstood
4. TGD - The Great Debate
5. Disappear
6. 6DOIT - Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
    I. Overture
    II. ATC - About to Crash
    III. WIMH - War Inside My Head
    IV. TTTSTA - The Test That Stumped Them All
    V. GK - Goodnight Kiss
    VI. SS - Solitary Shell
    VII. ATCR - About to Crash (Reprise)
    VIII. LT/GF - Losing Time/Grand Finale

Train of Thought
1. AIA - As I Am
2. TDS - This Dying Soul
3. ES - Endless Sacrifice
4. HTF - Honor Thy Father
5. Vacant
6. SOC - Stream of Consciousness
7. ITNOG - In the Name of God

Octavarium
1. TROAE - The Root of All Evil
2. TALW - The Answer Lies Within
3. TW - These Walls
4. IWBY - I Walk Beside You
5. PA - Panic Attack
6. NE - Never Enough
7. SS - Sacrificed Sons
8. 8VM - Octavarium

Systematic Chaos
1. ITPOE Pt 1 - In the Presence of Enemies - Part I
2. Forsaken
3. CM - Constant Motion
4. TDEN - The Dark Eternal Night
5. Repentance
6. POW - Prophets of War
7. TMOLS - The Ministry of Lost Souls
8. ITPOE Pt 2 - In the Presence of Enemies - Part II

Black Clouds and Silver Linings
1. ANTR - A Nightmare to Remember
2. AROP - A Right of Passage
3. Wither
4. TSF - The Shattered Fortress
5. TBOT - The Best of Times
6. TCOT - The Count of Tuscany

A Dramatic Turn of Events
1. OTBOA - On the Backs of Angels
2. BMUBMD - Build Me Up, Break Me Down
3. LNF - Lost Not Forgotten
4. TITL - This is the Life
5. BITS - Bridges in the Sky
6. Outcry
7. FFH - Far From Heaven
8. BAI - Breaking All Illusions
9. BTS - Beneath the Surface

Dream Theater
1. FAS/FA - False Awakening Suite
2. TEI - The Enemy Inside
3. TLG - The Looking Glass
4. EM - Enigma Machine
5. TBP - The Bigger Picture
6. BTV - Behind the Veil
7. STR - Surrender to Reason
8. AFTR - Along for the Ride
9. IT - Illumination Theory

If you use the "Find in Page" option in your browser - usually ctrl+F and type in the acronym you're unsure of, the page should jump to it. But if someone else wants to do an alphabetical list, be my guest.  :lol
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Re: sticky for abbreviations
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2013, 07:50:57 PM »
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I thought about doing something like that, but I decided it was too much of a chore, so, nice job krands. 
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Re: sticky for abbreviations
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2013, 08:37:18 PM »
Has the same abbreviation always been used for Space-Dye Vest and Strange Deja vu? (dumb question, I know... )

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Re: sticky for abbreviations
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2013, 02:00:06 AM »
Has the same abbreviation always been used for Space-Dye Vest and Strange Deja vu? (dumb question, I know... )

I see it used interchangeably for both, although it comes up a lot more often for Space Dye Vest. In context, I've seen both abbreviated that way though.
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Re: sticky for abbreviations
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2013, 08:28:25 PM »
I've seen it used for both too, which was why I asked.  But you're right - SDV is mainly used for Space-Dye Vest.

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Re: sticky for abbreviations
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2013, 08:57:44 PM »
Pretty good list to start things off.  Although some of those are not used.  For instance, I have never seen anybody abbreviate Chris Collins, for example.  Same with Anna Lee and a few other songs on there.  No need to create abbreviations that aren't actually used.

One subtle change as well:  Trial of Tears is usually abbreviated ToT to distinguish it from Train of Thought, which is commonly abbreviated TOT.  But, again, good job.

Anyone want to take a crack at doing an alphabetical list of those?


EDIT:  I added it to the Rules and Announcements section.  Again, if anyone wants to do an alphbetical list, that would be cool.
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Re: sticky for abbreviations
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2013, 09:14:03 PM »
"Strang Deja Vu"
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Re: sticky for abbreviations
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2013, 09:21:37 PM »
That's strang.  I wonder how that could have happened.
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« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2013, 02:15:57 AM »
Just a suggestion. How about using a lower-case d in Space-dye Vest, or a hyphen between the S and D, to differentiate between it and Strange Deja Vu?
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Re: sticky for abbreviations
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2013, 02:24:46 AM »
S-DV perhaps?

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Re: sticky for abbreviations
« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2013, 02:49:39 AM »
Just a suggestion. How about using a lower-case d in Space-dye Vest, or a hyphen between the S and D, to differentiate between it and Strange Deja Vu?

How about we just never discuss Space Dye Vest again, so we can assume it stands for Strange Deja Vu instead? :neverusethis:


But seriously, the point of abbreviations is to be shorthand that requires no thought, and less effort. If we have to start remembering lowercase vs uppercase for specific situations, I don't think people are going to remember it. I know I wouldn't. :lol

I find that context is usually sufficient enough, and if not, I just write it out in full. Same goes for Train of Thought vs Trial of Tears, although that one is certainly easier to differentiate, given that one is a song, and the other is an album.
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Re: sticky for abbreviations
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2013, 07:30:21 AM »
^Yeah, that.  The ToT/TOT one has been done for a long time, so that one is second nature. 
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Re: sticky for abbreviations
« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2013, 07:49:51 AM »
I've never spotted any difference with how people use ToT/TOT. If they have, I've never noticed, which shows how well context alone works.
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Re: sticky for abbreviations
« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2013, 08:46:26 AM »
It's not universal, but enough people do it that way that it makes sense to note it.  But, yes, context is often the best indicator.

In other news, alphabetical list is now up.  Thanks, Jaffa.  He did the heavy lifting in terms of reordering everything.  I tweaked it a bit to make it more user-friendly.
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Re: sticky for abbreviations
« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2013, 09:13:09 AM »
Happy to help.  Krands still deserves much more credit for doing it all from scratch.  :)
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Re: sticky for abbreviations
« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2013, 03:11:02 PM »
I've seen people use CC for Chris Collins before :dunno:
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Re: sticky for abbreviations
« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2013, 09:29:54 PM »
^Yeah, that.  The ToT/TOT one has been done for a long time, so that one is second nature. 

I've never spotted any difference with how people use ToT/TOT. If they have, I've never noticed, which shows how well context alone works.

ToT is correct for both as far as I'm concerned, but as Blob said, due to context they should pretty much never be confused in any case. 

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« Reply #20 on: October 06, 2013, 05:12:03 AM »
I have never used ToT.  If I'm doing abbreviations at all (which I do a lot here), it is all caps.  Changing one to lowercase is too much work, defeating the point of the abbreviation in the first place.

But yes, the confusion regarding Train of Thought/Trial of Tears and Space-Dye Vest/Strange Deja Vu should be resolved given the context of the discussion.
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Re: sticky for abbreviations
« Reply #21 on: October 06, 2013, 08:01:59 AM »
Thanks for all the responses, everyone  :smiley:

I think S-DV works well for Space-Dye Vest.  It will eventually become standard if enough people do it.

Trial of Tears and Train of Thought is trickier.  I think in the context of a discussion that it would be a bit easier to decipher which one is being discussed since one is a song and the other an album.

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Re: sticky for abbreviations
« Reply #22 on: October 06, 2013, 10:23:41 AM »
Just a suggestion. How about using a lower-case d in Space-dye Vest, or a hyphen between the S and D, to differentiate between it and Strange Deja Vu?

How about we just never discuss Space Dye Vest again, so we can assume it stands for Strange Deja Vu instead? :neverusethis:

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