Enigma Machine

[rumborak]

2. How is that drum solo bad?

It sounds like a drum computer test patch, honestly. Exercise all drums available in a short amount of time.

[Öxölklöfför]

Along For The Ride has a nod to Beneath The Surface

Just because Jordan used the same patch? Gimme a break. With ADTOE, I can understand, some of it was uncannily like I&W, but I wouldn't call DT sounding like DT 'nods to past'.

Not just the same patch, but the runs he plays sounds similar, that's just my opinion, take it as you may see fit (with much annoyance as it seems to be so far). 

I agree on that one, to an extent. I definitely noticed that on my first listen, not just that the patch was the same but that the melodic structure of that solo was very similar. But just because it's similar I wouldn't have thought it was an intentional "nod" unless those songs had something in common thematically, which as far as I know, they don't.

The only thing that bothers me with that solo is that the first note hits like a nano second too late.

[RodrigoAltaf]

 I still don´t get why people complain about the duration of the drum solo/ drum fill in Enigma Machine...Portnoy did the same on As I Am, and I don´t see anybody complaining. They´re both great in my book.

[hefdaddy42]

Nothing not to like on this one, and it will most likely be a BEAST live.

[The Stray Seed]

^ Maaan I can't wait!!!

[Fisi]

Yeah, I can predict that Jordan will go pretty nuts with the Geo Synth solo, it's already so crazy on the album version. 

[cyberdrummer]

This is such a good tune.

I'd probably rank the instrumentals:

1. Ytse Jam
2. Overture 1928
3. Enigma Machine
4. Hell's Kitchen
5. Erotomania
6. The Dance of Eternity
7. Stream of Consciousness
8. Overture
9. Raw Dog

[adastra]

This is such a good tune.

I'd probably rank the instrumentals:

1. Ytse Jam
2. Overture 1928
3. Enigma Machine
4. Hell's Kitchen
5. Erotomania
6. The Dance of Eternity
7. Stream of Consciousness
8. Overture
9. Raw Dog

There's a little mistake in your ranking.
Actually it goes like this :

1. Stream of Consciousness
2. Hell's Kitchen
3. Erotomania
4. Overture 1928
5. Ytse Jam
6. The Dance of Eternity
7. Overture

8.  Enigma Machine

9. Raw Dog  (HAVEN'T HEARD THE SONG )

[Laughingplace56]

This is such a good tune.

I'd probably rank the instrumentals:

1. Ytse Jam
2. Overture 1928
3. Enigma Machine
4. Hell's Kitchen
5. Erotomania
6. The Dance of Eternity
7. Stream of Consciousness
8. Overture
9. Raw Dog

There's a little mistake in your ranking.
Actually it goes like this :

1. Stream of Consciousness
2. Hell's Kitchen
3. Erotomania
4. Overture 1928
5. Ytse Jam
6. The Dance of Eternity
7. Overture

8.  Enigma Machine

9. Raw Dog  (HAVEN'T HEARD THE SONG )

I regret to inform you, but you're both wrong.

1. The Dance of Eternity
2. Overture 1928
3. Hell's Kitchen
4. Enigma Machine
5. Overture
6. Stream of Consciousness
7. Ytse Jam
8. Erotomania
9. Raw Dog (and yes, I actually like the song)

[Umph1348]

I love this tune and DT instrumentals in general.  After my first few listens of DT12, EM was my favorite track on the album.  It is still right up there for me (although IT has probably surpassed it). 

[MinistryOfLostSouls]

This is such a good tune.

I'd probably rank the instrumentals:

1. Ytse Jam
2. Overture 1928
3. Enigma Machine
4. Hell's Kitchen
5. Erotomania
6. The Dance of Eternity
7. Stream of Consciousness
8. Overture
9. Raw Dog

There's a little mistake in your ranking.
Actually it goes like this :

1. Stream of Consciousness
2. Hell's Kitchen
3. Erotomania
4. Overture 1928
5. Ytse Jam
6. The Dance of Eternity
7. Overture

8.  Enigma Machine

9. Raw Dog  (HAVEN'T HEARD THE SONG )

I regret to inform you, but you're both wrong.

1. The Dance of Eternity
2. Overture 1928
3. Hell's Kitchen
4. Enigma Machine
5. Overture
6. Stream of Consciousness
7. Ytse Jam
8. Erotomania
9. Raw Dog (and yes, I actually like the song)

Pardon me sirs but I think there are some mistakes on your lists:

1. Erotomania
2. Erotomania
3. Erotomania
4. Erotomania
5. Erotomania
6. Erotomania
7. Erotomania
8. Erotomania
9. Erotomania

[Sacul]

This is such a good tune.

I'd probably rank the instrumentals:

1. Ytse Jam
2. Overture 1928
3. Enigma Machine
4. Hell's Kitchen
5. Erotomania
6. The Dance of Eternity
7. Stream of Consciousness
8. Overture
9. Raw Dog

There's a little mistake in your ranking.
Actually it goes like this :

1. Stream of Consciousness
2. Hell's Kitchen
3. Erotomania
4. Overture 1928
5. Ytse Jam
6. The Dance of Eternity
7. Overture

8.  Enigma Machine

9. Raw Dog  (HAVEN'T HEARD THE SONG )

I regret to inform you, but you're both wrong.

1. The Dance of Eternity
2. Overture 1928
3. Hell's Kitchen
4. Enigma Machine
5. Overture
6. Stream of Consciousness
7. Ytse Jam
8. Erotomania
9. Raw Dog (and yes, I actually like the song)

Pardon me sirs but I think there are some mistakes on your lists:

1. Erotomania
2. Erotomania
3. Erotomania
4. Erotomania
5. Erotomania
6. Erotomania
7. Erotomania
8. Erotomania
9. Erotomania

Actually, as DT has 11 instrumentals, the list must be this way:

1. Eve
2. Eve
3. Eve
4. Eve
5. Eve
6. Eve
7. Eve
8. Eve
9. Eve
10. Eve
11. Eve

[robwebster]

You're all right, and my list is also different.

1. Stream of Consciousness
2. False Awakening Suite
3. Erotomania
4. Ytse Jam
5. Overture 1928
6. Enigma Machine
7. Hell's Kitchen
8. Overture
9. The Dance of Eternity
10. Raw Dog
11. Eve

Eve never clicked, regrettably! Seems devoid of incident. I'm conscious that three to six are all very similar. That might be why SoC and FAS have their top spots - very different songs. The long-form metal instrumental and the compact orchestral instrumental. Hell's Kitchen's great, nothing quite like it in the rest of their catalogue, it just has to be the right day for it. 8-11 all have flaws. Overture's wonderful but a little sprawling, The Dance of Eternity has a really very good first half and a second half that's nowhere near as interesting. Raw Dog's got some cracking riffs but it's not got that much structure, and Eve, despite some great guitar work, is very sleepy.

[MinistryOfLostSouls]

[/quote]

You're all right, and my list is also different.

1. Stream of Consciousness
2. False Awakening Suite
3. Erotomania
4. Ytse Jam
5. Overture 1928
6. Enigma Machine
7. Hell's Kitchen
8. Overture
9. The Dance of Eternity
10. Raw Dog
11. Eve

Eve never clicked, regrettably! Seems devoid of incident. I'm conscious that three to six are all very similar. That might be why SoC and FAS have their top spots - very different songs. The long-form metal instrumental and the compact orchestral instrumental. Hell's Kitchen's great, nothing quite like it in the rest of their catalogue, it just has to be the right day for it. 8-11 all have flaws. Overture's wonderful but a little sprawling, The Dance of Eternity has a really very good first half and a second half that's nowhere near as interesting. Raw Dog's got some cracking riffs but it's not got that much structure, and Eve, despite some great guitar work, is very sleepy.

What's crazy is we're all wrong and I am one of them.  There are 12 instrumentals:

12. Hidden track at the end of DT12. 

[robwebster]

Oh, yeah, totally - I didn't know if people consider that Illumination Theory or not! I don't, I think it's its own thing. I think it needs a name, actually. We should give it a fan nickname. "Know That You're Alive" or something.

[BlobVanDam]

Oh, yeah, totally - I didn't know if people consider that Illumination Theory or not! I don't, I think it's its own thing. I think it needs a name, actually. We should give it a fan nickname. "Know That You're Alive" or something.

It's usually just referred to as the easter egg here, since that's what it was listed as on the whiteboard in the studio vids of DT leading up to the album. I've even got an officially written up setlist for the tour that lists it simply as "Easter Egg".

[MinistryOfLostSouls]

Oh, yeah, totally - I didn't know if people consider that Illumination Theory or not! I don't, I think it's its own thing. I think it needs a name, actually. We should give it a fan nickname. "Know That You're Alive" or something.

It's usually just referred to as the easter egg here, since that's what it was listed as on the whiteboard in the studio vids of DT leading up to the album. I've even got an officially written up setlist for the tour that lists it simply as "Easter Egg".

You should have called it Dennis.

[robwebster]

Oh, yeah, totally - I didn't know if people consider that Illumination Theory or not! I don't, I think it's its own thing. I think it needs a name, actually. We should give it a fan nickname. "Know That You're Alive" or something.

It's usually just referred to as the easter egg here, since that's what it was listed as on the whiteboard in the studio vids of DT leading up to the album. I've even got an officially written up setlist for the tour that lists it simply as "Easter Egg".

That's just a description, though, it's like calling a bonus feature "Bonus Feature," or calling an intro "Intro." Besides, people still don't really use "Easter Egg" all that much - Ministry just referred to it as the pithy "Hidden track at the end of DT12."

I don't know, it might be nice. I like the idea of giving it a fan nickname. Everything has a name, the intro to the Mirror has a name, the mid-section of A Nightmare to Remember has a name - False Awakening Suite uses three in under three minutes! If there's no appetite for it I won't bother, but I think it'd be cool to take a few suggestions and put them in a poll. Even if we do dub it "Dennis."

[BlobVanDam]

Oh, yeah, totally - I didn't know if people consider that Illumination Theory or not! I don't, I think it's its own thing. I think it needs a name, actually. We should give it a fan nickname. "Know That You're Alive" or something.

It's usually just referred to as the easter egg here, since that's what it was listed as on the whiteboard in the studio vids of DT leading up to the album. I've even got an officially written up setlist for the tour that lists it simply as "Easter Egg".

That's just a description, though, it's like calling a bonus feature "Bonus Feature," or calling an intro "Intro." Besides, people still don't really use "Easter Egg" all that much - Ministry just referred to it as the pithy "Hidden track at the end of DT12."

I don't know, it might be nice. I like the idea of giving it a fan nickname. Everything has a name, the intro to the Mirror has a name, the mid-section of A Nightmare to Remember has a name - False Awakening Suite uses three in under three minutes! If there's no appetite for it I won't bother, but I think it'd be cool to take a few suggestions and put them in a poll. Even if we do dub it "Dennis."

As I said, everyone calls it easter egg, and as far as I know, DT hasn't given it a name beyond that themselves. But if you want to call it "duet for wizard and bear", I won't stop you!

[King Postwhore]

The Wonderful Wizard of Bear.

[MinistryOfLostSouls]

Oh, yeah, totally - I didn't know if people consider that Illumination Theory or not! I don't, I think it's its own thing. I think it needs a name, actually. We should give it a fan nickname. "Know That You're Alive" or something.

It's usually just referred to as the easter egg here, since that's what it was listed as on the whiteboard in the studio vids of DT leading up to the album. I've even got an officially written up setlist for the tour that lists it simply as "Easter Egg".

That's just a description, though, it's like calling a bonus feature "Bonus Feature," or calling an intro "Intro." Besides, people still don't really use "Easter Egg" all that much - Ministry just referred to it as the pithy "Hidden track at the end of DT12."

I don't know, it might be nice. I like the idea of giving it a fan nickname. Everything has a name, the intro to the Mirror has a name, the mid-section of A Nightmare to Remember has a name - False Awakening Suite uses three in under three minutes! If there's no appetite for it I won't bother, but I think it'd be cool to take a few suggestions and put them in a poll. Even if we do dub it "Dennis."

My two official name submissions, if anyone ever makes a thread, are:

1.  Dennis. 

"Hey old man!"
"I'm not old I'm thirty seven!"
"Well, I couldn't just call you man!"
"You could have called me Dennis!"
"Well, I didn't know you were called Dennis!"

2. Freundschaftsbezeigungen -  German for "demonstrations of friendship." 

I don't know about calling John Petrucci "bear."  It has an entirely different meaning when they play the Warfield.   

[?]

10. Raw Dog
11. Eve

We can't be friends.

[robwebster]

If our friendship was only to be based on the mutual demonisation of Raw Dog, I think I can come to terms with that.

[KevShmev]

Considering the band said DT12 had a cinematic feel to it, and the easter egg is like after the end of a film, I think "End Credits" is a good name for it.

[BlobVanDam]

Considering the band said DT12 had a cinematic feel to it, and the easter egg is like after the end of a film, I think "End Credits" is a good name for it.

And given that it's apparently being used for end credits at the live shows too, I like that name.

[ZKX-2099]

Considering the band said DT12 had a cinematic feel to it, and the easter egg is like after the end of a film, I think "End Credits" is a good name for it.

And given that it's apparently being used for end credits at the live shows too, I like that name.

3rding that one.

[Nearmyth]

I always considered the easter egg to just be the ending of Illumination Theory 

[haceeb]

I always considered the easter egg to just be the ending of Illumination Theory 

same here, i guess it got two ends and easter egg is the final end

[MinistryOfLostSouls]

I always considered the easter egg to just be the ending of Illumination Theory 

same here, i guess it got two ends and easter egg is the final end

I thought it was a throwback to the old LP closer tracks they would use to fill the rest of the vinyl with music like the one at the end of Pyromania, by Def Leppard.  I don't think any of those tracks ever had names. 

[KevShmev]

Considering the band said DT12 had a cinematic feel to it, and the easter egg is like after the end of a film, I think "End Credits" is a good name for it.

And given that it's apparently being used for end credits at the live shows too, I like that name.

We are in agreement, which means it should become the unofficial name for the song.

[Shadow2222]

I like End Credits also.

1. The Dance of Eternity
2. False Awakening Suite
3. Hell's Kitchen
4. Overture 1928
5. Ytse Jam
6. Erotomania
7. SDOIT Overture
8. Raw Dog
9. Stream of Consciousness
10. Enigma Machine
11. Eve

[ThatOneGuy2112]

I'm sure I posted my instrumental rankings in another thread some time ago (can't remember which one), but if I had to do it as I feel they are now, it would go something like this:

1. Stream of Consciousness
2. Erotomania
3. Overture 1928
4. Hell's Kitchen
5. SDOIT Overture
6. Enigma Machine
7. The Dance of Eternity
8. False Awakening Suite
9. Eve
10. Ytse Jam
11. Raw Dog

It should be noted that the only one of these I can say I don't really enjoy all that much is Raw Dog. And I always considered the ending theme in IT to be....the ending to IT.

[Grizz]

1. Eve
2. Ytse Jam
3. The Oakdale Odyssey (Okay, I'm a bit biased but meh)
4. Overture 1928
5. Hell's Kitchen
6. The Dance of Eternity
7. Overture
8. Easter Egg
9. Stream of Consciousness
10. Erotomania
11. Enigma Machine
12. False Awakening Suite
13. Raw Dog

[Laughingplace56]

I forgot about Eve and FAS woops 

1. The Dance of Eternity
2. Overture 1928
3. Hell's Kitchen
4. Eve
5. Enigma Machine
6. Overture
7. False Awakening Suite
8. Stream of Consciousness
9. Ytse Jam
10. Erotomania
11. Raw Dog (and yes, I actually like the song)

[Nearmyth]

Out of songs on actual DT records I'd probably rank it:

1. Erotomania
2. Stream of Consciousness
3. Overture 1928

4. The Dance of Eternity
5. Enigma Machine

6. False Awakening Suite

7. Hell's Kitchen
8. Ytse Jam

Not counting SDOIT Overture since I consider it to be the song's intro and not a standalone.