Behind the Veil

[Lowdz]

Behind the Veil is more like "atmospheric intro" and then BANG - something completely different. And I don't really "get" that. Hence the "why..?".

Well, it's not completely different. Jordan is still playing the melody he plays in the intro during the heavy riff, and the heavy riff uses the chords played by Jordan in the intro. I think it works really well together.

This. If the intro had nothing to do with any part of the song the wtf would be valid. But it has.

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

The intro is amazing, as is the rest of the song. They blend just fine.

[OsMosis2259]

The intro is amazing, as is the rest of the song. They blend just fine.

[GasparXR]

I still can't get past that "Creeping Death" guitar intro part though.

I don't see any similarity to Creeping Death there

Really?  I thought it was blatantly obvious that there were similarities. 

Is it just me or is there no one else who hears the similarities?

Definitely, I'd say it's pretty obvious!

It's a thrashy metal riff in E minor, chances are it will sound like Metallica/Megadeth.

[wolfking]

I can hear why someone would reference Creeping Death, but it's in no way a rip or anything.  Just one of those things that's in the same vein.

[dparrott]

And I bet when they came up with that riff, someone said "hey, that kinda sounds like Creeping Death...cool..." etc.  We can't accuse musicians of ripping off other musicians without being in the room when they create it. 

[bl5150]

I didn't think Creeping Death with this one - I did with Constant Motion though.

[KevShmev]

I have never once thought of Creeping Death when listening to this song, and after listening to it again, I still have no idea what some of you are talking about.

[bosk1]

After the calm intro, the song kicks in with an aggressive riff that lets the last chord ring for a full measure (or thereabouts), which is vaguely similar to the opening intro riff in Creeping Death.  That being said:

I have never once thought of Creeping Death when listening to this song

After it was mentioned, I hear the really basic similarily.  But it is such a stretch that I never would have thought of Creeping Death if it hadn't been mentioned, and even after hearing it, they aren't similar enough to where I would connect the two moving forward.

[wolfking]

After the calm intro, the song kicks in with an aggressive riff that lets the last chord ring for a full measure (or thereabouts), which is vaguely similar to the opening intro riff in Creeping Death.  That being said:

I have never once thought of Creeping Death when listening to this song

After it was mentioned, I hear the really basic similarily.  But it is such a stretch that I never would have thought of Creeping Death if it hadn't been mentioned, and even after hearing it, they aren't similar enough to where I would connect the two moving forward.

Yeah, this is pretty much what I thought too.

[dparrott]

Nobody's done anything creative with the stems yet?

[robwebster]

There are stems?!

Still! Great song. Ben_Jamin loves the way JLB sings "hour."

[BlobVanDam]

There are stems?!

I believe they came in the super duper deluxe boxset that had the DT USB stick and the Take This For The Pain documentary, so probably not a lot of people have them. The stems were only for that song though, not the whole album as they did for BCASL.

[robwebster]

Aw, man. That's it, I'm buying the big-bastard-box next time.

[BlobVanDam]

I bought the BCASL big-bastard-box just for the stems. So much fun to be had in hearing all of the isolated parts, and messing around with them. I collect a lot of stems from various artists just to dissect what makes them tick.

[gentaishinigami]

This song needs to be played live ASAP!  >:(

[OsMosis2259]

The most underrated track on DT12!

[Grizz]

I bought the BCASL big-bastard-box just for the stems. So much fun to be had in hearing all of the isolated parts, and messing around with them. I collect a lot of stems from various artists just to dissect what makes them tick.

I was in fifth grade when that came out so obviously I couldn't afford the bigass box. When I came across the stems I realized that it would probably be much more fun to play around with them before they went through so much compression.

[BlobVanDam]

I bought the BCASL big-bastard-box just for the stems. So much fun to be had in hearing all of the isolated parts, and messing around with them. I collect a lot of stems from various artists just to dissect what makes them tick.

I was in fifth grade when that came out so obviously I couldn't afford the bigass box. When I came across the stems I realized that it would probably be much more fun to play around with them before they went through so much compression.

If it weren't for the few missing samples and leads, I would have exported mixdowns of the stems to replace the album versions. If I felt like double dipping, I'd buy the HDTracks versions to solve that issue though.

[yeah_93]

I bought the BCASL big-bastard-box just for the stems. So much fun to be had in hearing all of the isolated parts, and messing around with them. I collect a lot of stems from various artists just to dissect what makes them tick.

I was in fifth grade when that came out so obviously I couldn't afford the bigass box. When I came across the stems I realized that it would probably be much more fun to play around with them before they went through so much compression.

If it weren't for the few missing samples and leads, I would have exported mixdowns of the stems to replace the album versions. If I felt like double dipping, I'd buy the HDTracks versions to solve that issue though.

The lead guitar in the chorus is waaaay to buried in the album version. Took me a while to noticed, and it's a shame because I really love it.

[dparrott]

This song needs to be played live ASAP! 

It hasn't?  Wow. 

[yeah_93]

This song needs to be played live ASAP! 

It hasn't?  Wow.

To be fair the chorus has like 4 guitars going.

[KevShmev]

I suspect that once they start hitting markets later this year that already saw the current set list, the songs from the new album (which I won't list, so as not to spoil it for anyone still waiting to see them) that haven't been played yet will then be played.

[robwebster]

I have the same hunch. For that reason, I'm hoping they do a warm up show or two for t


That's as far as I got with that post. Then I checked, found they are doing a warm up show for Sonisphere, and bought tickets immediately. Bring it on..!

[GasparXR]

I have the same hunch. For that reason, I'm hoping they do a warm up show or two for t


That's as far as I got with that post. Then I checked, found they are doing a warm up show for Sonisphere, and bought tickets immediately. Bring it on..!

I thought you accidently your post, and then realized that the bottom portion was not your signature.

Where does it say that they are doing a warmup show? Did you just mean the show the day before Sonisphere?

[Grizz]

I bought the BCASL big-bastard-box just for the stems. So much fun to be had in hearing all of the isolated parts, and messing around with them. I collect a lot of stems from various artists just to dissect what makes them tick.

I was in fifth grade when that came out so obviously I couldn't afford the bigass box. When I came across the stems I realized that it would probably be much more fun to play around with them before they went through so much compression.

If it weren't for the few missing samples and leads, I would have exported mixdowns of the stems to replace the album versions. If I felt like double dipping, I'd buy the HDTracks versions to solve that issue though.

If you're willing to put forth the effort, you could invert the stems in Audacity and play them against the album version to yield a misc stem.

[BlobVanDam]

I bought the BCASL big-bastard-box just for the stems. So much fun to be had in hearing all of the isolated parts, and messing around with them. I collect a lot of stems from various artists just to dissect what makes them tick.

I was in fifth grade when that came out so obviously I couldn't afford the bigass box. When I came across the stems I realized that it would probably be much more fun to play around with them before they went through so much compression.

If it weren't for the few missing samples and leads, I would have exported mixdowns of the stems to replace the album versions. If I felt like double dipping, I'd buy the HDTracks versions to solve that issue though.

If you're willing to put forth the effort, you could invert the stems in Audacity and play them against the album version to yield a misc stem.

I think the mastering/compression on the album version would render that method fairly ineffective, but it's a nice idea.

[gentaishinigami]

This song needs to be played live ASAP! 

It hasn't?  Wow.

To be fair the chorus has like 4 guitars going.

Maybe he could invite some guitar player buds out to play the other tracks 

[Dublagent66]

One of the better songs on the album.

[robwebster]

I have the same hunch. For that reason, I'm hoping they do a warm up show or two for t


That's as far as I got with that post. Then I checked, found they are doing a warm up show for Sonisphere, and bought tickets immediately. Bring it on..!

I thought you accidently your post, and then realized that the bottom portion was not your signature.

Where does it say that they are doing a warmup show? Did you just mean the show the day before Sonisphere?

Yeah, they often sprinkle a few warmup gigs between their festival appearances. This year, no exception!

[Grizz]

John Petrucci lied to us.

This song is actually about Sirius Black.

[Enalya]

Gotta love how he sings 'hour'

:>

BTV is good enough, but it's not really special for me somehow.. What I mostly like about the song are these 10 seconds: 5:40 - 5:50

[yeah_93]

Gotta love how he sings 'hour'

:>

BTV is good enough, but it's not really special for me somehow.. What I mostly like about the song are these 10 seconds: 5:40 - 5:50

Gotta love headbanging to that section.

[Grizz]

I think this is in the top three of the album. Might be the best.

[FlyingBIZKIT]

This song still does nothing for me.