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Re: The science and nature thread v. We tried this before
« Reply #525 on: August 28, 2017, 12:56:02 PM »
Just throwing it out there... but why should we stop that?  We have yet to do something on that scale without there being unintended consequences that are as bad or worse than the perceived ill; if the perceived ill kills millions, do we really want to chance worse?

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Re: The science and nature thread v. We tried this before
« Reply #526 on: August 28, 2017, 01:32:20 PM »
The areas of pressure aren't where the lava flows are though. Imagine taking a tea kettle (water sources underground) and putting it over a gas burner (magma within the earth) and getting it to whistle (what yellowstone does). You could drill a dozen holes in the top of that kettle and the worst thing that's going to come out is steam/water.

The risk we run right now is that pressure beneath eventually building up enough (think cork in a champagne bottle) to blow a hole in the Earth big enough to penetrate the areas where magma is flowing. If we slowly bleed that pressure and don't destroy the layer between the magma and that pressure source in the process, we have nothing to worry about.

What about the risk of an implosion?  I am all for studying this more and getting more brains to learn and find a way to do something cool like this (more so on the idea harnessing the energy than eruption prevention though).  But I do kind of feel like Stadler, that there are some big forces at play here and unintended consequences could be worse than the initial problem.  I'd leave that to the experts though.  I'm cozy here in NJ out of the ash zone.

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Re: The science and nature thread v. We tried this before
« Reply #527 on: August 28, 2017, 07:04:50 PM »
Here's an interesting thought.  Though....not a new one....

One of the reasons the first Jaws movie was so fantastic is because it touches on an aspect of group mentality concerning a disaster...  "This isn't really happening....we can go about our business."   Or, "the idea of this possibly catastrophe being real is something that threatens our very survival, so we look for altering theories (a boating accident) to convince us that this isn't really happening."

So with Yellowstone, and I believe this is a very fair question...do you personally believe that if there was a very real threat of Yellowstone exploding, and the fallout was going to basically kill half the US, and there was no way anyone had the resources for an evacuation of that magnitude...   Is it wiser to NOT tell people?   Not cause a panic?   Not put every west coast major metropolis into complete anarchy? 
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Re: The science and nature thread v. We tried this before
« Reply #528 on: August 28, 2017, 07:26:48 PM »
...do you personally believe that if there was a very real threat of Yellowstone exploding

I absolutely believe it will erupt with the force the experts predict. It'll be massive. But I also think it will happen long after humans cease to exist. Just because it's averaged out to erupt every 600,000 years and it's been 600,000 years since it erupted....doesn't mean it's blowing in the next few years. More like the next two or three thousand years at the earliest.

The fact that 'we' think we can go and tame something of this magnitude is just another example of mankind's general arrogance. There's no doubt in my mind that if they actually try to enact this plan that it will blow up in our faces......no pun intended.
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Re: The science and nature thread v. We tried this before
« Reply #529 on: August 29, 2017, 08:36:16 AM »
On an unrelated topic, in just over 2 weeks, Cassini will be throwing itself into Saturn after a 20 year long mission.

https://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/grand-finale/overview/

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Re: The science and nature thread v. We tried this before
« Reply #530 on: September 14, 2017, 11:03:23 PM »
On an unrelated topic, in just over 2 weeks, Cassini will be throwing itself into Saturn after a 20 year long mission.

https://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/grand-finale/overview/
And the countdown has begun. There's a woman, Linda Spilker, who's been a big part of this thing for 29 years now. I wonder what it's like when your entire professional life's work just ends. At this point she might actually be the world's leading expert on Saturn, so it's not like she's suddenly worthless, but it still has to be a fundamentally life altering event when what you've spent half your life doing is no more. 
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