The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded

[krands85]

1. The Four Horsemen
2. Creeping Death
3. Master of Puppets
4. One
5. Enter Sandman
6. The Outlaw Torn
7. Fuel
8. St. Anger
9. The Day That Never Comes
10. Spit out the Bone
11. Am I Evil?

[PixelDream]

I'm listening to 'Fight Fire With Fire' now, and I suddenly realised something. This song is extremely fast. I'm almost 100% positive the snare is always on the 2nd and 4th beat in this song. Yet, every time I listen to it, I'm hearing the snare at the 1st and 3rd bar as soon as the vocals kick in. It's due to both the sheer speed of it and the barely audible kick drum. Anyone else have this 'problem'?

[Adami]

I'm listening to 'Fight Fire With Fire' now, and I suddenly realised something. This song is extremely fast. I'm almost 100% positive the snare is always on the 2nd and 4th beat in this song. Yet, every time I listen to it, I'm hearing the snare at the 1st and 3rd bar as soon as the vocals kick in. It's due to both the sheer speed of it and the barely audible kick drum. Anyone else have this 'problem'?

I have that problem with Battery, always inverting the beat when I hear it.

[jammindude]

Kindof like Blackened when he inverts the break down on purpose?   

[Stadler]

Why is that a "problem"? 

[Adami]

Why is that a "problem"?

No idea about Blackened, but it's a problem for me because I know I'm hearing it wrong. I have no idea why, it's been 20 years that I've been listening to Metallica, and still can't hear Battery without inverting it.

Thanks Obama!

[carl320]

I'm listening to 'Fight Fire With Fire' now, and I suddenly realised something. This song is extremely fast. I'm almost 100% positive the snare is always on the 2nd and 4th beat in this song. Yet, every time I listen to it, I'm hearing the snare at the 1st and 3rd bar as soon as the vocals kick in. It's due to both the sheer speed of it and the barely audible kick drum. Anyone else have this 'problem'?

Even with the vocals, I still hear the snare on 1 and 3.  It's not just that the song is fast, but the riff accents the off beats just enough to throw off the feel of the song (made worse by the vocals accenting the same beats).  That said, I love the song, and I think it has one of the best harmony guitar solos I've heard.

[fadetoblackdude7]

We finally have the making of for Atlas, Rise!

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/go-behind-the-scenes-of-making-of-metallicas-atlas-rise-song/

[mikeyd23]

^ Awesome! Is this all of them now?

[IDontNotDoThings]

^ Awesome! Is this all of them now?

Not Lords of Summer, but besides that, yeah

[mikeyd23]

^ Awesome! Is this all of them now?

Not Lords of Summer, but besides that, yeah

Ah, I forgot about Lords of Summer, good call!

[Zydar]

Remastered 'Master Of Puppets' coming November 10.

https://www.metallica.com/store/master-of-puppets

"We promised to keep mining the vaults to bring you each Metallica album remastered for the most advanced sound quality possible along with special deluxe editions including previously unreleased audio and video recordings. Today we are excited to announce that we are one step closer... 'Master of Puppets (Remastered)' is here! Visit Metallica com for more information (and with three pieces of vinyl, ten CDs, two DVDs, and so much more in the Box Set alone, we promise you'll find more information!). And don't forget to stop into the Met Store to pre-order your copy and find some 'Puppets' favorites on sale now! Release date is November 10th."

[nobloodyname]

Another remortgage coming up to be able to afford the Deluxe Edition here in the UK.

[cramx3]

A lot of the live stuff on that box set says its incomplete recordings.  Seems odd to release that stuff, but that's still one heck of a lot of content.  The 3CD disc looks like what I'd buy, but I'm probably not going to get it.

[mikeyd23]

A lot of the live stuff on that box set says its incomplete recordings.  Seems odd to release that stuff, but that's still one heck of a lot of content.  The 3CD disc looks like what I'd buy, but I'm probably not going to get it.

There is a ton of content that's for sure. I'd guess they are cool with releasing the incomplete stuff just because they want these reissues to be as comprehensive as possible, so they are throwing everything in there, complete or not.

[Stadler]

A lot of the live stuff on that box set says its incomplete recordings.  Seems odd to release that stuff, but that's still one heck of a lot of content.  The 3CD disc looks like what I'd buy, but I'm probably not going to get it.

There is a ton of content that's for sure. I'd guess they are cool with releasing the incomplete stuff just because they want these reissues to be as comprehensive as possible, so they are throwing everything in there, complete or not.

The shows are incomplete?   The only songs that seemed incomplete looked like a tape ran out at the end of one song and wasn't restarted till midway through the next song.   

I don't mind the incomplete shows, but I didn't see the Aragon Ballroom show on CD, only vinyl.  The vinyl is wasted on me, so...

[cramx3]

A lot of the live stuff on that box set says its incomplete recordings.  Seems odd to release that stuff, but that's still one heck of a lot of content.  The 3CD disc looks like what I'd buy, but I'm probably not going to get it.

There is a ton of content that's for sure. I'd guess they are cool with releasing the incomplete stuff just because they want these reissues to be as comprehensive as possible, so they are throwing everything in there, complete or not.

The shows are incomplete?   The only songs that seemed incomplete looked like a tape ran out at the end of one song and wasn't restarted till midway through the next song.   

I don't mind the incomplete shows, but I didn't see the Aragon Ballroom show on CD, only vinyl.  The vinyl is wasted on me, so...

On the 10 disc set there are some incomplete shows.  They look like it's mostly all there, but there are a few notes like:

*Note: Someone didn’t hit record until after we started playing.
*Note: The tape ran out before we finished the song.
*Note: Filming cuts during the guitar solo.

And yea, I agree, it's just them getting what they have in the vaults out to people which is cool, I just can't recall bands releasing incomplete concerts like this before.  You'd have to be a pretty big fan to buy that set though so it's still pretty cool to get that stuff in the hands of the fans.

[mikeyd23]

On the 10 disc set there are some incomplete shows.  They look like it's mostly all there, but there are a few notes like:

*Note: Someone didn’t hit record until after we started playing.
*Note: The tape ran out before we finished the song.
*Note: Filming cuts during the guitar solo.

And yea, I agree, it's just them getting what they have in the vaults out to people which is cool, I just can't recall bands releasing incomplete concerts like this before.  You'd have to be a pretty big fan to buy that set though so it's still pretty cool to get that stuff in the hands of the fans.

Yeah, I assume the target market for this (the box that includes everything) are the absolute die-hard fans that need to collect everything Metallica.

[axeman90210]

Very tempted by the 3CD just for dem live tracks.

[KevShmev]

Master of Puppets sounds great as it originally sounded in 1986. I see no need for this in my collection.

[Grappler]

I may spring for the digital edition.  I bought the remastered KEA single cd for $5.00.  Still haven't picked up RTL, and I think I have an early version of Puppets that was remastered in the late 80's or 90's, according to the back of the cd.  But a new version with some live songs from 86/87?   

[TAC]

Master of Puppets sounds great as it originally sounded in 1986. I see no need for this in my collection.

[Zydar]

So you guys have already heard the new remaster to make that assessment?

[TAC]

So you guys have already heard the new remaster to make that assessment?

Of course not, but Master Of Puppets, as is, sounds excellent. I'm not sure why I should buy the thing again.

[kaos2900]

So you guys have already heard the new remaster to make that assessment?

Of course not, but Master Of Puppets, as is, sounds excellent. I'm not sure why I should buy the thing again.

My thoughts as well. I listened to the sample of Disposable Hero's and didn't really notice that big of a difference to warrant another purchase.  I may spring for a re-mastered AJFA with some bass sounds.

[BlobVanDam]

So you guys have already heard the new remaster to make that assessment?

Of course not, but Master Of Puppets, as is, sounds excellent. I'm not sure why I should buy the thing again.

My thoughts as well. I listened to the sample of Disposable Hero's and didn't really notice that big of a difference to warrant another purchase.  I may spring for a re-mastered AJFA with some bass sounds.

I think they've already commented that they wouldn't mess with AJFA, which is disappointing. I think they should release a 2 disc version with a remaster of the original album, and then a remixed version with bass.
I haven't heard the samples from MOP yet, but the previous two weren't bad.

[Stadler]

Very tempted by the 3CD just for dem live tracks.

That's where I'm at.

[mikeyd23]

So you guys have already heard the new remaster to make that assessment?

Of course not, but Master Of Puppets, as is, sounds excellent. I'm not sure why I should buy the thing again.

I think most people would buy the version that gets them all the live stuff.

[cramx3]

I think they've already commented that they wouldn't mess with AJFA, which is disappointing.

Remastered 'Master Of Puppets' coming November 10.

https://www.metallica.com/store/master-of-puppets

"We promised to keep mining the vaults to bring you each Metallica album remastered for the most advanced sound quality possible along with special deluxe editions including previously unreleased audio and video recordings. Today we are excited to announce that we are one step closer... 'Master of Puppets (Remastered)' is here! Visit Metallica com for more information (and with three pieces of vinyl, ten CDs, two DVDs, and so much more in the Box Set alone, we promise you'll find more information!). And don't forget to stop into the Met Store to pre-order your copy and find some 'Puppets' favorites on sale now! Release date is November 10th."

Says in this quote they promise to do each album?   It would be ridiculous if they remastered MoP but not AJFA.

[BlobVanDam]

Says in this quote they promise to do each album?   It would be ridiculous if they remastered MoP but not AJFA.

I meant them remixing it, not remastering. Can't remember where I read the quote on that specifically, since that was a while ago now.

[cramx3]

Ah true, yea theres a difference I missed that.  So lame.  But yea, I'm with the group that doesn't really have much interest in the remasters anyway besides a redo of AJFA really.

[BlobVanDam]

Yeah, I'm 100% fine with the versions I've had forever, especially TBA, Load and Reload. The only thing I've ever wanted is a listenable version of AJFA, because I love the album, but I just can't listen to it any more in its current state. No remaster will fix that.

[mikeyd23]

Yeah, I'm 100% fine with the versions I've had forever, especially TBA, Load and Reload. The only thing I've ever wanted is a listenable version of AJFA, because I love the album, but I just can't listen to it any more in its current state. No remaster will fix that.

Yeah, from a sonic perspective, it's going to be pretty hard to improve on TBA and the Loads. Say what you will about the songs on those records but the production is fantastic.

[Stadler]

So you guys have already heard the new remaster to make that assessment?

Of course not, but Master Of Puppets, as is, sounds excellent. I'm not sure why I should buy the thing again.

I think most people would buy the version that gets them all the live stuff.

Well, that's me.  99 times out of a 100 (Genesis was an exception) I don't give a crap about the "remaster" itself.  I'm not a snob about "brickwalling" (for the most part, I think that is over-rated), and almost always buy "remasters" for the added material.  I'm something more than a "casual" Metallica fan - I have the entire catalogue ecept for "Kill 'Em All" - but less than a "fanatic", completist Metallica fan, so I don't know.  If this was Maiden, Genesis, Kiss, DT, Transatlantic, Neal Morse, etc. I'd be scraping together change to buy the Super Deluxe version (though I'm still not keen on the vinyl; I wish that show was on the CD as well). 

[mikeyd23]

Well, that's me.  99 times out of a 100 (Genesis was an exception) I don't give a crap about the "remaster" itself.  I'm not a snob about "brickwalling" (for the most part, I think that is over-rated), and almost always buy "remasters" for the added material.  I'm something more than a "casual" Metallica fan - I have the entire catalogue ecept for "Kill 'Em All" - but less than a "fanatic", completist Metallica fan, so I don't know.  If this was Maiden, Genesis, Kiss, DT, Transatlantic, Neal Morse, etc. I'd be scraping together change to buy the Super Deluxe version (though I'm still not keen on the vinyl; I wish that show was on the CD as well).

Yup, I'm assuming that's the real appeal of Metallica going back through the catalog and doing this - the bonus material. I mean check out all this stuff -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhZWUD6hEj4

I'd wager to say the remastered CD of MOP is probably the least interesting thing in there. If you are going to drop all that money it's because of everything else.