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Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
« Reply #665 on: January 02, 2014, 03:30:23 AM »
Sure, I know. Maybe I should have said "I haven't heard any nu-metal that sounds anything like St. Anger". I think that regardless of whether you like St. Anger, you'll have to admit the sound is kind of unique. They might have wanted to make something like the nu-metal trend going on back then, but they have created something that has some influences from nu-metal but really doesn't sound like it at all. I don't see it as an attempt to make a nu-metal album and failing.

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« Reply #666 on: January 02, 2014, 04:41:53 AM »
I haven't heard any nu-metal that sounds like St. Anger.

“and failed"
Er, no.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like St. Anger, but it has nothing to do with nu-metal, and I have absolutely no idea why you would think that was what they were going for.

I think they wanted to go for a garage rock vibe - raw and simple. If that's what they wanted then they got the right sound, so fair play to them, I just don't really enjoy the songs.

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« Reply #667 on: January 02, 2014, 06:28:37 AM »
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« Reply #668 on: January 02, 2014, 08:56:33 AM »
Compared to The Outlaw Torn or f.i.x.x.x.e.r which is just masterful in every way it sounds embarrassingly childish.

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Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
« Reply #669 on: January 02, 2014, 09:24:52 AM »
I'll throw my support toward those who think it sounded like nu-metal. I listened to that "genre" for a few years and nu-metal was the first thing that came to mind when I heard SA.
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« Reply #670 on: January 02, 2014, 09:29:48 AM »
I haven't heard any nu-metal that sounds like St. Anger.

“and failed"
Er, no.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like St. Anger, but it has nothing to do with nu-metal, and I have absolutely no idea why you would think that was what they were going for.

I think they wanted to go for a garage rock vibe - raw and simple. If that's what they wanted then they got the right sound, so fair play to them, I just don't really enjoy the songs.

I never saw any correlation to nu-metal at all.   When I think of "nu metal", I think of bands like Korn....and there was always a bit of that "electronic element" thrown in.   For me, that's one of the defining characteristics of "nu-metal" because it's one of the things that set it apart from other metal bands at the time.    Not that it hadn't been done before...but Korn really popularized it as a sound.

I don't think SA had any elements of that whatsoever.   Just sounds like an attempt at the "garage band" sound. 
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« Reply #671 on: January 02, 2014, 09:36:57 AM »
I guess if I listen hard enough I can hear some of the nu-metal influences, but I still don't think SA sounds all that nu metal at all.

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« Reply #672 on: January 02, 2014, 11:41:44 AM »
St. Anger isn't nu-metal.

It's Metallica's attempt to be nu-metal.

There's a difference. The thing that throws people off is the god awful production values. But basically it's Metallica trying to write an album that appeals to those nu-metal kids out there with their angsty angry lyrics and their lack of guitar solos which ran head on into the decision to make it sound like pure D shit.

You gloss that up with a good production and trust me, you'll see where people are coming from. 
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« Reply #673 on: January 02, 2014, 11:52:04 AM »
I'd much rather have an album of " Outlaw Torn " and " Mama Said " than fake aggression like on " All Within My Hands " ...

How is the aggression "fake" and how are you able to tell it's fake?

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I'd say so. and I'd also say Kotowboy is my personal favorite at, and objectively winning, this thread.

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« Reply #674 on: January 02, 2014, 01:41:50 PM »
I don't think of St. Anger as nu-metal. I believe one of the main reason it's sometimes called nu-metal is because of the lack of solo's. St. Anger is well know by many as being an album where Metallica chose not to perform guitar solo's.

I kinda see why some may accuse it of being nu-metal. But at the same time i really don't believe it is. The garage band sound of it is not something you hear in nu-metal. Nu-metal usually has very polished and deeply crushing heavy and simple riffs. This is not St. Anger. But i can see why someone might say it.

And i don't think of St. Anger as being a super artistic record. Just a more experimental record then usual that took a risk.

I love the term Art-Rock and Art-Metal. This is not Metallica, but they've done a few things that are around the Art-Rock neighborhood ;p The orchestra performance i have not heard except No Leaf Clover. But with this and Lulu, Metallica shows that they are more ambitious in the artistic expression area then most other popular metal and rock bands.

But I call Lulu an Art-Rock album. Just listen to it. Metallica is quite and artsy band sometimes. I wonder what they'll do in the future. Clearly they still have a strong desire to create music and are more willing then ever to  do new things.

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« Reply #675 on: January 02, 2014, 01:52:35 PM »
Huh, "artsy" is not a term I think I've ever heard applied to Metallica... :lol

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« Reply #676 on: January 03, 2014, 03:41:55 AM »
I really don't think that SA und Lulu are disliked due to being so "artsy" (which they honestly aren't) and different, but simply because of the terrible songwriting and lyrics.

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« Reply #677 on: January 03, 2014, 11:58:28 AM »

I'd say so. and I'd also say Kotowboy is my personal favorite at, and objectively winning, this thread.

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« Reply #678 on: January 03, 2014, 11:59:32 AM »

I seem to recall a lot of Some Kind of Monster blabbing about how happy and calm they all are, and Hetfield directly saying how you don't need to be angry to write angry music.

That was Lars yeah. Which made no sense to me. How can you say that you can make aggressive music without feeling aggression when you've clearly been at each other's throats for the past 2 years ? :lol

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« Reply #679 on: January 03, 2014, 07:01:46 PM »

I seem to recall a lot of Some Kind of Monster blabbing about how happy and calm they all are, and Hetfield directly saying how you don't need to be angry to write angry music.

That was Lars yeah. Which made no sense to me. How can you say that you can make aggressive music without feeling aggression when you've clearly been at each other's throats for the past 2 years ? :lol

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« Reply #680 on: January 03, 2014, 07:10:10 PM »
Medium tempo riffs, with a share of them being on one string. Chords rarely venture away from the lowest two strings. Said riffs are on lower, drop tuned guitars (a first and only time in their career), and the aforementioned solos being absent. These are all things associated with numetal, and the style was finishing its run of main popularity during the sessions.
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« Reply #681 on: January 03, 2014, 07:59:32 PM »
You know.  All of this talk about St. Anger makes me want to listen to the album again.  Maybe, it is not as bad as I thought it was the last time I played in its entirety. Famous last words.

I think the one problem I had with the album is that the album kinda dragged on and made some of their songs a heavy chore to listen to. 

The opposite can be said about Death Magnetic since songs like That Was Just Your Life, All Nightmare Long, The Judas Kiss, and The End of the Line, amongst others, despite being 7-8 min. songs, were so very enjoyable that it did not feel like the song length.

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« Reply #682 on: January 03, 2014, 08:07:47 PM »
You know.  All of this talk about St. Anger makes me want to listen to the album again.  Maybe, it is not as bad as I thought it was the last time I played in its entirety. Famous last words.

I think the one problem I had with the album is that the album kinda dragged on and made some of their songs a heavy chore to listen to. 

The opposite can be said about Death Magnetic since songs like That Was Just Your Life, All Nightmare Long, The Judas Kiss, and The End of the Line, amongst others, despite being 7-8 min. songs, were so very enjoyable that it did not feel like the song length.

While not as bad as St Anger, I felt DM was very padded to artificial song lengths. All of those songs could have been killer 4-5 minute songs in the vein of the Black Album, but then they often have those sloppy instrumental sections that add nothing to the song, and are difficult to listen to for me.
As I said, it's not as bad as St Anger in that regard, which had no variety at all, but to me it was still one of the biggest flaws of DM.
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« Reply #683 on: January 03, 2014, 09:03:15 PM »
I get both points. While I have heard the whole album, I only bought two songs. This Was Just Your Life I feel could go longer, or doesn't drag. I love the verse riff and verse melody.

The other song I bought, My Apocalypse, defiantly does have an awkward instrumental section Blob. And the song is on the short end in the scope of the album!

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« Reply #685 on: January 03, 2014, 10:47:51 PM »
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« Reply #686 on: January 03, 2014, 10:57:23 PM »
I think Death Magnetic was a result of and a response to all the criticism for St. Anger. And i remember when St. Anger was first announced it was described as being raw, heavy, gritty etc. I remember a lot of their critics being like 'hey, this may be good. Maybe they're back'. And yea, it sounded as if it was gonna be like the early albums. Of course it wasn't, but the description they publicized still describes what we did get. I find this interesting, because Metallica has heavy, thrashy, gritty music in them, and St. Anger was just a different approach to this raw garage sound they've always had. So many doubted the fact they could still play classic thrash metal.

Who was it in Metallica that said Korn was the future of metal? It seemed like that was true for awhile, but definitely not anymore. I do find it funny how when asked Lars mentioned the Arctic Monkeys as being one of his favorite current bands, cuz you KNOW he is aware of the backlash he would get. But seriously though, what bands are these guys fans of an admire right now? I'm sure they have mentioned newer bands they like. Anyone know?

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« Reply #687 on: January 03, 2014, 11:06:16 PM »
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« Reply #689 on: January 04, 2014, 08:48:43 AM »
I thought Death Magnetic was pretty good. Too bad they had to spoil it by putting a cover on it that looks like a female reproduction organ on the front of it.

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« Reply #690 on: January 04, 2014, 03:20:11 PM »
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« Reply #691 on: January 04, 2014, 11:51:25 PM »
I thought Death Magnetic was pretty good. Too bad they had to spoil it by putting a cover on it that looks like a female reproduction organ on the front of it.

Yes!!! That is exactly the thought i had the first time i saw the cover!

It was literally the first thing that came to my mind upon seeing it.

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« Reply #692 on: January 04, 2014, 11:53:20 PM »
I thought Death Magnetic was pretty good. Too bad they had to spoil it by putting a cover on it that looks like a female reproduction organ on the front of it.

Yes!!! That is exactly the thought i had the first time i saw the cover!

It was literally the first thing that came to my mind upon seeing it.

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« Reply #693 on: January 05, 2014, 12:13:06 AM »
I thought Death Magnetic was pretty good. Too bad they had to spoil it by putting a cover on it that looks like a female reproduction organ on the front of it.

Yes!!! That is exactly the thought i had the first time i saw the cover!

It was literally the first thing that came to my mind upon seeing it.

You guys have *serious* issues.    You're equating a vagina with A COFFIN SHAPED GRAVE.

Makes me wonder if NotePad was being sarcastic.

I only see it if I force myself to anyways. Can't say I've ever heard this comparison anywhere. :|

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« Reply #695 on: January 05, 2014, 02:15:40 AM »
What the hell  :rollin

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« Reply #697 on: January 05, 2014, 08:08:52 AM »
I thought Death Magnetic was pretty good. Too bad they had to spoil it by putting a cover on it that looks like a female reproduction organ on the front of it.

Yes!!! That is exactly the thought i had the first time i saw the cover!

It was literally the first thing that came to my mind upon seeing it.

Funnily enough I saw a coffin in a grave surrounded by magnetic field lines in dirt.

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« Reply #698 on: January 05, 2014, 08:45:53 AM »


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« Reply #699 on: January 05, 2014, 09:08:54 AM »
Someone needs to do a study on the merits on the cover of Death Magnetic as a Rorschach test.  :rollin
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