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Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
« Reply #490 on: November 24, 2013, 12:02:30 PM »
I've read a quote from Het that he's actually ashamed of how few albums they've put out in 30 years.

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Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
« Reply #491 on: November 24, 2013, 12:22:31 PM »
Alrighty y'all, what's everyone's Load/Reload top 5? Ties within the top 5 are fine but just keep the list to exactly 5 songs. If you have some ties that would make the list longer than 5, just put those other songs in a brief paragraph below the list.

1. Where the Wild Things Are
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Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
« Reply #492 on: November 24, 2013, 12:29:44 PM »
1. The Outlaw Torn
2. Bleeding Me
3. Until It Sleeps
4. Fixxxer
5. Hero of the Day

Some hard choices though. Honourable mentions: Carpe Diem Baby, Where The Wild Things Are, Low Man's Lyric and Ronnie.

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Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
« Reply #493 on: November 24, 2013, 12:45:08 PM »
Alrighty y'all, what's everyone's Load/Reload top 5? Ties within the top 5 are fine but just keep the list to exactly 5 songs. If you have some ties that would make the list longer than 5, just put those other songs in a brief paragraph below the list.

1. Where the Wild Things Are
2. Carpe Diem, Baby
3. Bleeding Me
4. FiXXXer
5. Prince Charming

Something along those lines but maybe replace Prince Charming with Outlaw Torn.

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Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
« Reply #494 on: November 24, 2013, 02:20:19 PM »
1. Outlaw Torn
2. Bleeding Me

(appreciation of the above songs were reinforced by the amazing S&M versions of both)

3. The House That Jack Built
4. Where the Wild Things Are
5. Carpe Diem Baby
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Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
« Reply #495 on: November 24, 2013, 02:46:46 PM »
1. Outlaw Torn
2. Bleeding Me

(appreciation of the above songs were reinforced by the amazing S&M versions of both)

3. The House That Jack Built
4. Where the Wild Things Are
5. Carpe Diem Baby

Yeah most of the Load / Reload songs were awesome on S&M. Especially Outlaw Torn and Hero of the Day.

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Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
« Reply #496 on: November 24, 2013, 03:26:27 PM »
ReLoadered EP

1. Fuel
2. King Nothing
3. Until it Sleeps
4. No Leaf Clover (Live)

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Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
« Reply #497 on: November 24, 2013, 07:54:52 PM »
The Outlaw Torn
Bleeding Me
Fixxxer
Carpe Diem Baby
Until It Sleeps
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Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
« Reply #498 on: November 24, 2013, 08:33:26 PM »
Alrighty y'all, what's everyone's Load/Reload top 5? Ties within the top 5 are fine but just keep the list to exactly 5 songs. If you have some ties that would make the list longer than 5, just put those other songs in a brief paragraph below the list.

1. Where the Wild Things Are
2. Carpe Diem, Baby
3. Bleeding Me
4. FiXXXer
5. Prince Charming

The only one of those I even like at all is Bleeding Me, and it's at the bottom of my list. :lol

Hero of the Day
Unforgiven II
Fuel
Until It Sleeps
King Nothing

The top 4 are pretty much equal for me.
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Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
« Reply #499 on: November 24, 2013, 11:01:35 PM »
I'm not sure.  Hero of the Day would definitely be my number one, and The Unforgiven II would definitely be my number two.  After that, there are several contenders.  I'll think it over a bit and come back to this.

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Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
« Reply #500 on: November 24, 2013, 11:14:38 PM »
In no particular order:

Outlaw Torn
Fixxxer
Carpe Diem
Bleeding Me
Thorn Within

Honorable mention to Wild Things, which would probably make the list at 6th.
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Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
« Reply #501 on: November 24, 2013, 11:18:19 PM »
Outlaw Torn
Hero Of The Day
Unforgiven II
Bleeding Me
Carpe Diem Baby
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Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
« Reply #502 on: November 25, 2013, 02:40:39 AM »
The Outlaw Torn
Bleeding Me
Prince Charming
Low Man's Lyric
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Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
« Reply #503 on: November 25, 2013, 03:48:42 AM »
In no order;

Unforgiven II
Ain't My Bitch
Until it Sleeps
Bleeding Me
Outlaw Torn
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Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
« Reply #504 on: November 25, 2013, 07:17:25 AM »
Outlaw Torn
Bleeding Me
















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Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
« Reply #505 on: November 25, 2013, 07:19:35 AM »
Unforgiven II is the best them IMO.

I like it better than the first song and the third one is way last - the production doesn't help either.





Here's my playlist of all the "slower, ballad-ier " songs from Load / Reload.


Now that they've done their old school thrash metallica album - I wouldn't mind at all if they did an album of slower songs like this.

At this point - i don't really care what they do - it's the *songs* that need to be good. Whatever style they are.

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« Reply #506 on: November 25, 2013, 08:25:27 AM »
I'll never understand all the fuss about Load. Maybe Re-Load, but that one isn't so bad either.

All in all, I thought it was a nice diversification of the Metallica sound. It definitely still sounded like Metallica, albeit with slower, groovier and bluesier grooves and more melodic songwriting. There's something to be said for the quality of the vocals as well, which IMO are probably the best they've ever had.
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Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
« Reply #507 on: November 25, 2013, 11:16:37 AM »
Everything about the quality of the recordings is better with Bob Rock.

Except for Saint Anger - but that was intentionally a messed up album.

And at least it's not brickwalled to all buggery.

The instruments sound weird but the actual album itself is mastered nicely.

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« Reply #508 on: November 25, 2013, 12:46:38 PM »
St. Anger is only weak because the complete absence of variation in the songwriting. They've got some catchy hooks and grooves on that one though. No problem with the production, it's suitable and it makes it unique.
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Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
« Reply #509 on: November 25, 2013, 03:10:45 PM »
I played Reload to death in 1997 - whilst playing Tomb Raider on ps1 and it just seemed to work.
:metal Funny I almost did the same thing but instead of Reload (which I did listen to at the time) I played Accident Of Birth by Bruce Dickinson while playing Tomb Raider 2.  :lol
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Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
« Reply #510 on: November 25, 2013, 03:18:24 PM »
Outlaw Torn
Ain't My Bitch
Fuel
Bleeding Me
Wasting My Hate
would have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
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Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
« Reply #511 on: November 25, 2013, 03:23:56 PM »
I played Reload to death in 1997 - whilst playing Tomb Raider on ps1 and it just seemed to work.
:metal Funny I almost did the same thing but instead of Reload (which I did listen to at the time) I played Accident Of Birth by Bruce Dickinson while playing Tomb Raider 2.  :lol

For some reason - Reload over Tomb raider on ps1 just clicked. And then the video for Unforgiven II came out and they're in a cave and I was like Whoa...  :eek

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« Reply #512 on: November 25, 2013, 04:32:17 PM »
1. Hero of the Day
2. Until it Sleeps
3. Ain't my Bitch
4. King Nothing
5. Bleeding Me

So yeah, I prefer Load by a wide margin.

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Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
« Reply #513 on: November 25, 2013, 05:41:01 PM »
Load eats Reload for breakfast.
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Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
« Reply #515 on: November 25, 2013, 07:28:17 PM »
I'll never understand all the fuss about Load. Maybe Re-Load, but that one isn't so bad either.

All in all, I thought it was a nice diversification of the Metallica sound. It definitely still sounded like Metallica, albeit with slower, groovier and bluesier grooves and more melodic songwriting. There's something to be said for the quality of the vocals as well, which IMO are probably the best they've ever had.

I'm not trying to break your balls or anything but that post is kind of a head scratcher. Load/Reload sound absolutely nothing like any of their first four albums in any way at all. At best, they sound like a very watered-down black album. There really just isn't any connection between the Loads and anything prior to the black album when you consider James' startling transition to a twangy hard rock singer (not his fault, obviously; most of us know about his vocal cords being blown out while recording So What), Lars' shameless departure from even attempting to sound like he can play drums at even the most elementary level, and Kirk's leads becoming even more one-dimensional than ever before. Add to all of that, the shift to E-flat (once again, not their fault as I'm sure it was to protect James' fucked up vocal cords) plus the weak-ass distortion they used on the guitars and you have 27 songs that sound like they were thrown together by some southern rock band with zero background in metal but liked the black album a little bit and figured they'd have a go at making some songs in that style but in their own southern way.

As for melody? The golden three were their best era for melody almost unquestionably. Each album starts off with better-written melodic sections than anything you'll find on the Loads and that's just the start.

Fight Fire With Fire: 3:01-3:23
Fade to Black: Basically the entire song
Creeping Death: 5:24-6:03
The Call of Ktulu: Majority of the song

Master of Puppets: Entire middle section
Sanitarium: Majority of the song
Orion: Second half is legendarily melodic
Damage Inc.: Intro

Blackened: 4:07-4:31
...And Justice For All: Intro, 5:06-5:26
Eye of the Beholder: 4:25-4:49
One: Majority of the song
Harvester of Sorrow: Most of the song is based off a clean-tone arpeggio
To Live is to Die: Intro, 4:29-6:19 (in fact, the part from 4:57 of this section onward is considered to be the pinnacle of all of Metallica's melodic work by a sizable chunk of their fan base)

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Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
« Reply #516 on: November 25, 2013, 08:20:40 PM »
To Live is to Die: Intro, 4:29-6:19 (in fact, the part from 4:57 of this section onward is considered to be the pinnacle of all of Metallica's melodic work by a sizable chunk of their fan base)

Not taking away from anything you just said, but just had to point out, the raw emotion on James' solo here blows ANY Kirk solo out of the water.  ANY Kirk solo, across the whole catalogue, in terms of raw emotion.  Something about his limited knowledge in terms of soloing techniques, scales etc and his heavy reliance on traditional blues pentatonic licks make this solo sing so beautifully.  Such a fitting tribute to Cliff.

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« Reply #517 on: November 25, 2013, 08:24:22 PM »
James is miles better than Kirk at creating solos.

Kirk may know all the technical shit - but James is just better.

Every solo on Death Magnetic played by James is a stand out.

Kirk literally does the exact same thing in every solo and James plays from the gut and plays the perfect thing for the song.

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« Reply #518 on: November 25, 2013, 08:30:24 PM »
James is miles better than Kirk at creating solos.

Kirk may know all the technical shit - but James is just better.

Every solo on Death Magnetic played by James is a stand out.

Kirk literally does the exact same thing in every solo and James plays from the gut and plays the perfect thing for the song.

I haven't been big into metallica for some time but I was "back in the day" and even when listening to their best album IMHO (Master of Puppets) I always felt I liked Metallica despite Kirk rather than because of him.   I find him one of the least inspiring guitarsits of that era.  I think he probably had one lesson in open chords and what a wah pedal is from Joe Satriani :)
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« Reply #519 on: November 25, 2013, 08:33:41 PM »
I have always thought that James is a better lead player than Kirk.
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« Reply #520 on: November 25, 2013, 08:40:18 PM »
I wouldn't say he was a better lead player than Kirk, but as Kotowboy said, he plays from the gut, and with far more emotion than Kirk.  I'd say the closest Kirk gets to sounding anywhere near as 'emotional' as James is his first solo in Orion maybe.  But even Cliff has a way nicer solo than him in that ha.

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« Reply #521 on: November 25, 2013, 08:42:44 PM »
James is miles better than Kirk at creating solos.

Kirk may know all the technical shit - but James is just better.

Every solo on Death Magnetic played by James is a stand out.

Kirk literally does the exact same thing in every solo and James plays from the gut and plays the perfect thing for the song.

I haven't been big into metallica for some time but I was "back in the day" and even when listening to their best album IMHO (Master of Puppets) I always felt I liked Metallica despite Kirk rather than because of him.   I find him one of the least inspiring guitarsits of that era.  I think he probably had one lesson in open chords and what a wah pedal is from Joe Satriani :)

I always wondered if Kirk got the idea for the Aeolian run that ends his intro solo in Fade to Black from Satriani.  That simple scale over those chord changes... just seems too genius to have come from Kirk :lol

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« Reply #522 on: November 25, 2013, 08:42:58 PM »
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Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
« Reply #523 on: November 25, 2013, 08:45:27 PM »
As for melody? The golden three were their best era for melody almost unquestionably. Each album starts off with better-written melodic sections than anything you'll find on the Loads and that's just the start.

LOL no way. The thrash era albums are great, with the riffs, and the melodic guitar sections by Hetfield, but 90% of it is just Hetfield grunting the same note over a thrashed E. The vocal sections have very little variation.

On Reload and Load especially, he actually SINGS, and there are a lot of good harmonies, and melodic riffs, instead of just thrashing E as fast as possible. The Black albums also leaves the first 4 albums for dead in that regard.

I'm not saying that makes Load/Reload better, because I still think they're overall weakly written albums, but there's no way they're not more melodic then the repetitive formula of the first 4 albums.
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Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
« Reply #524 on: November 25, 2013, 08:48:41 PM »
As for melody? The golden three were their best era for melody almost unquestionably. Each album starts off with better-written melodic sections than anything you'll find on the Loads and that's just the start.

LOL no way. The thrash era albums are great, with the riffs, and the melodic guitar sections by Hetfield, but 90% of it is just Hetfield grunting the same note over a thrashed E. The vocal sections have very little variation.

On Reload and Load especially, he actually SINGS, and there are a lot of good harmonies, and melodic riffs, instead of just thrashing E as fast as possible. The Black albums also leaves the first 4 albums for dead in that regard.

I'm not saying that makes Load/Reload better, because I still think they're overall weakly written albums, but there's no way they're not more melodic then the repetitive formula of the first 4 albums.

I think the difference here is vocal melody verses melodic sections in the music.  Load/Reload = infintely better vocal melodies, I agree, but nowhere near as good as golden era Metallica in terms of melodic themes etc in the music.