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Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
« Reply #350 on: October 01, 2013, 01:55:02 PM »
I'd love for Metallica 10 to be another classic - to be ranked alongside the first 5 ( and Load to a lesser extent ).

But I imagine it will be Death Magnetic part 2 with more slower songs a la the self-titled.

I'm expecting better production this time since they know full well how bad the sound on DM is.
[they have acknowledged it and the production on Lulu was much better regardless of the actual songs]

An album of Cyanide and Broken, Beat & Scarred tempo songs would be good.

They need to stop trying to be an older version of themselves and simply make whatever they come up with the best it can be.

If they put out an album of 10 " The Outlaw Torn " then so be it.

But i'm really expecting another album like the self-titled in tempo and song arrangement - with maybe one or two longer/faster songs.

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Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
« Reply #351 on: October 01, 2013, 02:01:10 PM »
To be honest - if the next album is 10 ballads instead of 10 thrash songs - they'll still make millions from touring the hits anyway.

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« Reply #352 on: October 01, 2013, 02:50:35 PM »
Yeah the songs on DM are really solid, it's just very poor production wise, but I only listen to the GH3 rip which sounds so much better, even if the mix is flawed in places.
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« Reply #353 on: October 01, 2013, 09:47:05 PM »
DM is pretty consistent in terms of good vs bad songs, but it needed a lot of work for most of those songs to be good from start to finish.

The problem is that the songs are mostly very artificially inflated in a contrived attempt to emulate the structures of MoP/AJFA, and in the process it highlights that Kirk and Lars simply cannot play that style of music anymore. Those instrumental sections feel like they're a hair away from falling apart entirely, and it's pretty embarrassing they couldn't do better in a studio environment.
Kirk doesn't manage a single passable solo on the album. He's out of time, and can't play that style of music. He sounds like a 15 year old bedroom shredder trying to play his old solos.

Had they trimmed the songs down, and perhaps written a couple of stronger songs to replace the duds, they could have had a great album, but still no competition for the first 5 albums. If they give up trying to recapture the past on the next album, I think they still have a great album left in them.


Load and Reload are wildly inconsistent albums, ranging from some of their best songs to absolute filler crap, but I would still take either album over DM any day.
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Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
« Reply #354 on: October 02, 2013, 03:59:28 AM »
DM is pretty consistent in terms of good vs bad songs, but it needed a lot of work for most of those songs to be good from start to finish.

The problem is that the songs are mostly very artificially inflated in a contrived attempt to emulate the structures of MoP/AJFA, and in the process it highlights that Kirk and Lars simply cannot play that style of music anymore. Those instrumental sections feel like they're a hair away from falling apart entirely, and it's pretty embarrassing they couldn't do better in a studio environment.
Kirk doesn't manage a single passable solo on the album. He's out of time, and can't play that style of music. He sounds like a 15 year old bedroom shredder trying to play his old solos.

Had they trimmed the songs down, and perhaps written a couple of stronger songs to replace the duds, they could have had a great album, but still no competition for the first 5 albums. If they give up trying to recapture the past on the next album, I think they still have a great album left in them.


Load and Reload are wildly inconsistent albums, ranging from some of their best songs to absolute filler crap, but I would still take either album over DM any day.

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The Worst songs from DM > The worst songs from L&R

The Best songs from L&R > The best songs form DM

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« Reply #355 on: October 02, 2013, 04:04:19 AM »
Always thought Death Magnetic was like ADTOE, a (much, MUCH, MUCH MORE) generic version of their most acclaimed album (or golden era in general).
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Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
« Reply #356 on: October 02, 2013, 04:12:43 AM »
They also both suffer from mix and master issues and are the first to feature a new member.

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« Reply #357 on: October 02, 2013, 05:49:34 AM »
They also both suffer from mix and master issues and are the first to feature a new member.

Wasn't St. Anger Rob's first album?

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« Reply #358 on: October 02, 2013, 05:59:37 AM »
They also both suffer from mix and master issues and are the first to feature a new member.
Wasn't St. Anger Rob's first album?
Bob Rock played bass for that album.

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Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
« Reply #359 on: October 02, 2013, 06:49:21 AM »
They also both suffer from mix and master issues and are the first to feature a new member.
Wasn't St. Anger Rob's first album?
Bob Rock played bass for that album.

Yep. Trujillo played on the live in the studio DVD that came with the album, but he didn't play on any of the album itself. The Some Kind of Monster DVD is good for seeing the story there.
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Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
« Reply #360 on: October 02, 2013, 07:17:02 AM »
To be honest - if the next album is 10 ballads instead of 10 thrash songs - they'll still make millions from touring the hits anyway.

They're in that kind of place, where it really doesn't matter what kind of album they put out they'll still sell out most, if not all, of their shows.
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« Reply #361 on: October 02, 2013, 07:51:44 AM »
Death Magnetic smokes Load. Even with the production issues-and really, lets face it, it wasn't like Metallica's thrash era albums sounded much better anyway-it takes Load out behind the woodshed and makes it it's bitch. I'm never going to get the "hindsight is wonderful" thing about the Loads. They're dreck. Total shit. Even with Kirk's playing being pretty sloppy on DM-I'll gladly admit there's no saving Lars now, but Kirk's kind of always been a lead player who played pretty awful solos for the songs they're in and buried things in too much wah wah-the songs are light years better than anything on the Loads. Light years.

Yes, DM has a certain sense of contrivance. "Here's the uptempo opener, here's the long, medium paced song, here's the ballad with the really fast coda, here's the long instrumental, and don't forget the fastest song on the album as a closer." But you know what? I'd rather have Metallica be contrived and make heavy metal than be contrived and make really bad generic hard rock and try to get the attention of the alternative crowd. Which was all the Loads were, really.

Whenever "oh the Loads were great" comes up, I'm gonna be to rebut.  :lol
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Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
« Reply #362 on: October 02, 2013, 08:13:35 AM »
It's almost like people have different tastes in music or something.

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Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
« Reply #363 on: October 02, 2013, 09:59:33 AM »
FOR FUCKS SAKE - LOAD IS NOT " TOTAL SHIT ".

Justin Bieber - One Direction. The White Stripes.  Lady Fucking Gaga.  That's TOTAL SHIT.

No album that features
•The Outlaw Torn
•Bleeding Me
•Ain't My Bitch
•King Nothing
•Hero Of The Day

can ever be considered " TOTAL SHIT ".

However - " baby baby baby ooooh baby baby baby ooooh "


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Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
« Reply #364 on: October 02, 2013, 10:01:15 AM »
WHOAH, WHOAH, WHOAH.
The White Stripes are far and above shit, they're fucking awesome.

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« Reply #365 on: October 02, 2013, 10:01:54 AM »
Load has some of James best lyrics EVER.

But obviously they're not as good as " No Life Til LEather - Gonna Kick SOme Ass Tonite !!! "

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Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
« Reply #366 on: October 02, 2013, 10:06:20 AM »
I think Load, Reload & the S&M songs, I disappear were what Metallica were coming up with at the time.

Death Magnetic is Metallica forcing themselves to write in a certain way. It's their most contrived album and their most un-natural.

Rick Ruin basically told them to make another Master Of Puppets & It's obvious they can't do that anymore.

I'd be *more than happy* with Load III - because at least it would be Metallica writing the kind of music that comes naturally to them instead

of trying to be an earlier version of themselves that had long gone.

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« Reply #367 on: October 02, 2013, 10:37:22 AM »
I'll be OK with Load III as long as it doesn't have artwork by Andres Serrano.

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Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
« Reply #368 on: October 02, 2013, 10:38:04 AM »
Well we all know that whatever the artwork is - people will say it looks like genitals.

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Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
« Reply #369 on: October 02, 2013, 01:23:06 PM »
FOR FUCKS SAKE - LOAD IS NOT " TOTAL SHIT ".

Justin Bieber - One Direction. The White Stripes.  Lady Fucking Gaga.  That's TOTAL SHIT.
No, none of that is total shit.

Jeez, some people on this forum really need to learn to respect the opinions of other people.

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« Reply #370 on: October 02, 2013, 01:26:47 PM »
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« Reply #371 on: October 02, 2013, 01:33:40 PM »
Death magnetic > Load, Reload and St. Anger combined

Agreed.

I dislike Attitude. Devil's Dance, Fixxxer, WTWTA and CDB are all awesome though. I love Low Man's Lyric too.

Also agreed, Attitude is pretty bad.

I just don't see how The Memory Remains has somehow hung on as a live "staple."

Because James likes the audience singing along at the end, really.
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Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
« Reply #372 on: October 02, 2013, 02:41:40 PM »
Death Magnetic smokes Load. Even with the production issues-and really, lets face it, it wasn't like Metallica's thrash era albums sounded much better anyway-it takes Load out behind the woodshed and makes it it's bitch. I'm never going to get the "hindsight is wonderful" thing about the Loads. They're dreck. Total shit. Even with Kirk's playing being pretty sloppy on DM-I'll gladly admit there's no saving Lars now, but Kirk's kind of always been a lead player who played pretty awful solos for the songs they're in and buried things in too much wah wah-the songs are light years better than anything on the Loads. Light years.

Yes, DM has a certain sense of contrivance. "Here's the uptempo opener, here's the long, medium paced song, here's the ballad with the really fast coda, here's the long instrumental, and don't forget the fastest song on the album as a closer." But you know what? I'd rather have Metallica be contrived and make heavy metal than be contrived and make really bad generic hard rock and try to get the attention of the alternative crowd. Which was all the Loads were, really.

Whenever "oh the Loads were great" comes up, I'm gonna be to rebut.  :lol

I'm with you 100% Jaq!

There are only five songs that stand up from Load/Reload for me:
Ain't My Bitch
Bleeding Me
The Outlaw Torn
Wasting My Hate
Fueled

I love every one of them, but I shouldn't have to sift through 19 other songs to find them!
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Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
« Reply #373 on: October 02, 2013, 02:47:41 PM »
I recently listened through Metallica's discography again, and I think Load might actually be my favorite Metallica album.  Maybe.
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« Reply #374 on: October 02, 2013, 02:53:38 PM »
I recently listened through Metallica's discography again, and I think Load might actually be my favorite Metallica album.  Maybe.

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Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
« Reply #375 on: October 02, 2013, 04:12:05 PM »
Before you go applauding me, you should know that I also like Lady Gaga.   :lol
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« Reply #376 on: October 02, 2013, 04:20:51 PM »
Before you go applauding me, you should know that I also like Lady Gaga.   :lol
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« Reply #377 on: October 02, 2013, 04:24:08 PM »
Before you go applauding me, you should know that I also like Lady Gaga.   :lol

Well that would certainly explain this;


I recently listened through Metallica's discography again, and I think Load might actually be my favorite Metallica album.  Maybe.
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Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
« Reply #378 on: October 02, 2013, 04:43:18 PM »
I could take it a step further and say that Hero of the Day might possibly be my favorite Metallica song.  Certainly in the top 5. 
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« Reply #379 on: October 02, 2013, 05:00:09 PM »
I could take it a step further and say that Hero of the Day might possibly be my favorite Metallica song.  Certainly in the top 5.
:lol yup that would be taking it a step further...

Just messing with you. Everyone has a right to what they like.
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Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
« Reply #380 on: October 02, 2013, 06:14:01 PM »
The S&M version of Hero is much better too.

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Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
« Reply #381 on: October 02, 2013, 06:14:21 PM »
Before you go applauding me, you should know that I also like Lady Gaga.   :lol


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« Reply #382 on: October 02, 2013, 09:12:20 PM »
I could take it a step further and say that Hero of the Day might possibly be my favorite Metallica song.  Certainly in the top 5. 

One of my favourite songs EVER, and I'd rank it just as highly among Metallica songs. :tup
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« Reply #383 on: October 03, 2013, 02:24:22 AM »
I could take it a step further and say that Hero of the Day might possibly be my favorite Metallica song.  Certainly in the top 5. 
It's a great song, nothing to be embarassed about there!

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« Reply #384 on: October 03, 2013, 04:15:56 AM »
Yeah, it's easily my favorite Metallica song of that era.  :tup