The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded

[El Barto]

Also, for the Stadiums, they are playing with another really huge american metal band.  I think the vast majority of these shows sell well.

The arena show I am referencing is also in the round though and is only Metallica.

So there is one in the round show this tour? I'm only referencing the Mexico City dates plus Dallas, which I've seen charts for. Seems odd that there would be both formats on the same tour.

[mikeyd23]

So I saw somewhere on FB (some metal news site, not sure which one) that James pretty much shot down any idea of remixing AJFA, saying (paraphrasing here) - each record is a snapshot of history, and they don't want to erase history. I replied with something along these lines:

Not sure why Metallica and its fans can't have both. Next year is the 30th anniversary of And Justice for All. A landmark record for Metallica and loved by millions. For years, the biggest complaint was that they did Jason wrong by lowering his incredible playing so much that you can't hear it.

Why wouldn't you rectify it by issuing a 3CD anniversary edition of AJFA, with disc one being the original album, remastered; disc 2 being a 2018 remix of the album that brings the bass up, and showcases the incredible work of Jason; and disc 3 being a mix of demos, live versions from that eras, and if they exist, alternate takes?

They've done similar releases for the earlier albums. Why not with Justice?

I just hate that mentality by James. I get it -- erasing history is a big no-no. But it's not like you can only have one or the other. No erasing is necessary. Just add to the collective that is Metallica, and right a wrong that people have known about for 30 years. The beauty of being as successful as they are, is that you have the opportunity to do anything you want. No one would want to erase history. But making it a special bonus disc, as a part of a package? It's a no-brainer. They own all their recordings. No label will get paid. Just them. If there was any time to do something like this, it's now, when they are at another commercial peak. Just such a dick move not to do this.

I actually don't think Metallica has ever re-mixed anything. They have started releasing re-mastered versions of the early records, but not re-mixes.

Anyway - I'm totally fine with them not re-mixing their old albums, I'd rather them just stand as is. It's not really a common thing to re-mix records years later, so I'm not sure why there would be an expectation of any sort to do so.

[cramx3]

Also, for the Stadiums, they are playing with another really huge american metal band.  I think the vast majority of these shows sell well.

The arena show I am referencing is also in the round though and is only Metallica.

So there is one in the round show this tour? I'm only referencing the Mexico City dates plus Dallas, which I've seen charts for. Seems odd that there would be both formats on the same tour.

https://www.ticketmaster.com/metallica-worldwired-tour-2017-uniondale-new-york-05-17-2017/event/0000524AD690622E?artistid=735647&tm_link=tm_homeA_header_search

It's a one off show from the stadiums.  It looks like its in the round from the seating picture.

[Kotowboy]

The funny thing about AJFA is the people who say " AJFA sounds perfect as it is ".

I mean fair enough if you enjoy the way it sounds...

But I bet 100% that if And Justice For All - in 1988 - had the production of The Black Album - nobody would be saying

" Yeah it's good...but what would make it even better would be zero bass guitar "...

[mikeyd23]

The funny thing about AJFA is the people who say " AJFA sounds perfect as it is ".

I mean fair enough if you enjoy the way it sounds...

But I bet 100% that if And Justice For All - in 1988 - had the production of The Black Album - nobody would be saying

" Yeah it's good...but what would make it even better would be zero bass guitar "...

Oh don't get me wrong, I don't like the mix on Justice, I just have no desire or expectation for them to re-mix it.

[Kotowboy]

I understand not wanting to alter an album once it's out.

But I also don't see any harm in releasing a re-mixed version *alongside* a remastered original.


They have altered stuff in the past. The single for Some Kind Of Monster has a normal snare sound and the iTunes version of Death Magnetic is much cleaner than the CD.

[Samsara]

I understand not wanting to alter an album once it's out.

But I also don't see any harm in releasing a re-mixed version *alongside* a remastered original.


They have altered stuff in the past. The single for Some Kind Of Monster has a normal snare sound and the iTunes version of Death Magnetic is much cleaner than the CD.

Exactly my point. There's no harm in doing it. Deep Purple did it for the 25th anniversary of...I want to say Stormbringer, but I might be wrong on that. One of the classic records, however. Tons of bands do it as a special commemorative release, alongside something else. It wouldn't be something individually available. It would have to be purchased as a part of the set. This way, the original record (albeit remastered) is the primary work. The "remixed version" would just be an add-on. 

[El Barto]

Also, for the Stadiums, they are playing with another really huge american metal band.  I think the vast majority of these shows sell well.

The arena show I am referencing is also in the round though and is only Metallica.

So there is one in the round show this tour? I'm only referencing the Mexico City dates plus Dallas, which I've seen charts for. Seems odd that there would be both formats on the same tour.

https://www.ticketmaster.com/metallica-worldwired-tour-2017-uniondale-new-york-05-17-2017/event/0000524AD690622E?artistid=735647&tm_link=tm_homeA_header_search

It's a one off show from the stadiums.  It looks like its in the round from the seating picture.

That seems to be an arena, and not a particularly large one, at that. An end-stage gig would knock the capacity down to something wholly inadequate, so it certainly makes sense.

[Kotowboy]

They should play in the round for every stadium. Look at the numbers U2 pulled in.

At least 90,000 attendance for every date.

[mikeyd23]

They should play in the round for every stadium. Look at the numbers U2 pulled in.

At least 90,000 attendance for every date.

They would not sell those out in the states, no way. They'd be playing to half-empty venues.

[Kotowboy]

I thought The States were begging for a Metallica tour.

Hardwired sold like 2 million copies before the end of 2016. I thought they were huge. I guess not as huge as U2 ?

[cramx3]

They should play in the round for every stadium. Look at the numbers U2 pulled in.

At least 90,000 attendance for every date.

They would not sell those out in the states, no way. They'd be playing to half-empty venues.

Exactly.  Also, I think doing an end stadium show allows them to use big screens for the people far away.  I can only think of Jerry's world as a stadium that has the huge screen in the middle so you'd effectively be able to see everything if the concert was in the round.

Metlife stadium has big screens, but they are at the four corners.  If Metallica played in the round, people would be watching the corner of the stadium, not the center if they were too far away.  Well, that's my guess, never seen a concert in the round before personally.


...and definitely not as big as U2.  They hit a much larger audience.

[mikeyd23]

I thought The States were begging for a Metallica tour.

Hardwired sold like 2 million copies before the end of 2016. I thought they were huge. I guess not as huge as U2 ?

I mean, I'm completely speculating but my guess is that they would not sell out those shows. Maybe I'm completely misjudging their draw here.

[cramx3]

I thought The States were begging for a Metallica tour.

Hardwired sold like 2 million copies before the end of 2016. I thought they were huge. I guess not as huge as U2 ?

I mean, I'm completely speculating but my guess is that they would not sell out those shows. Maybe I'm completely misjudging their draw here.

Nah, Metallica do well here, likely the best of any metal band, but metal music in general does not draw people the way U2 or Lady GaGa does in the US.  Metallica needed to bring another big metal band with them to make this work.  Last time Metallica toured the US in stadiums, it was for the Big 4 tour which they also needed some big metal acts to be with them.  Sadly, metal music is just not the big money maker in the US like pop stars are, or even classic rocks bands like U2 or Bruce Springsteen types.

It's funny.  I think every single one of my friends likes Metallica.  Only one of them is going to the concert with me and he happens to be the least interested in music of my friends 

[pogoowner]

I thought The States were begging for a Metallica tour.

Hardwired sold like 2 million copies before the end of 2016. I thought they were huge. I guess not as huge as U2 ?

DEFINITELY not as huge as U2.

[Mosh]

I was excited for a Metallica tour until I saw the ticket prices. Yea the album sold big, but there's a pretty major difference between a $10 album and a $100 concert ticket.

[MetalJunkie]

The sold out here in Tulsa for the Death Magnetic tour.

[Phoenix87x]

Time lapse video of setting the stage up and the show. Pretty neat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLIJxo7WRLo

[Train of Naught]

I might've considered laying down some money for a DM tour, but Hardwired? No way. But tbh, I think those prices are ridicous no matter what.

[cramx3]

I might've considered laying down some money for a DM tour, but Hardwired? No way. But tbh, I think those prices are ridicous no matter what.

You should check out the resell prices on stubhub   

[Adami]

So I just realized that Metallica in A Year and a Half were in their late 20's.

Does anyone else feel weird seeing James Hetfield in that documentary and thinking of him as a guy in his 20's?

[Adami]

I decided I'd really like a copy of Lady Gaga doing Moth to the Flame with Metallica. Even if it's the way DT did that Lzzy Hale thing, with Gaga just recorded parts on the original recording and the vocals being remixed/edited. Not going to happen, I know, but it would be cool.

[JayOctavarium]

How about a copy of Lady Gaga doing Moth to the Flame with Dream Theater?



(I'll see myself out..)

[Kotowboy]

So the new album has been out for 4 months now so maybe it's sunk in enough for this.

Hardwired To Self Destruct Ranking !!

Top 4

1. Spit Out The Bone
2. Dream No More
3. Halo On Fire
4. Moth Into Flame

Middle 4.

1. Atlas Rise!
2. Confusion
3. Now That We're Dead
4. ManUnKind

Bottom 4

1. Hardwired
Lords of Summer
2. Here Comes Revenge
3. Am I Savage
4. Murder One

[TheCountOfNYC]

Let's see...

01: Dream No More (soooooo heavy!!!)
02: Halo on Fire
03: Spit Out the Bone
04: Confusion
05: Here Comes Revenge
06: Moth Into Flame
07: Am I Savage?
08: Now That We're Dead
09: ManUNkind
10: Atlas, Rise!
11: Lords of Summer
12: Hardwired
13: Murder One

[MetalJunkie]

1. Halo on Fire
2. Spit Out The Bone

3. Everything besides the singles

4. The singles

Can we just take a moment to talk about how awesome this album is lyrically?

"I was born from anger's flame. He was Able, I was Cain."
"An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. A life for a life is my burden of proof."

So. Fucking. Good.

[Kotowboy]

Definitely better than Death Magnetic lyrically. And St. Anger of course.

Probably his best lyrics since Load.

[cfmoran13]

For me, Murder One and Am I Savage? are by far the most forgettable songs on the album.  Then would come Confusion and ManUNkind.  Everything else on the album, IMO, ranges from awesome to pretty good.

Halo On Fire has been my favorite since first listen.  Then would come Spit Out The Bone and Moth Into Flame.

[mikeyd23]

Definitely better than Death Magnetic lyrically. And St. Anger of course.

Probably his best lyrics since Load.

No question. Great work from James on this album.

For me, Murder One and Am I Savage? are by far the most forgettable songs on the album.  Then would come Confusion and ManUNkind.  Everything else on the album, IMO, ranges from awesome to pretty good.

I keep seeing Am I Savage? ranked low for people...Honestly that's a top 4 or 5 song on the record for me depending on the day. Great tune.

[fadetoblackdude7]

Am I Savage is underrated for sure. Great track. I love the groove in the main riff, and how wicked-sounding the prechrous is. Interesting lyrics too. And of course the monster riff in the bridge. I think it's the most Reload-sounding track on the album.

[mikeyd23]

Am I Savage is underrated for sure. Great track. I love the groove in the main riff, and how wicked-sounding the prechrous is. Interesting lyrics too. And of course the monster riff in the bridge. I think it's the most Reload-sounding track on the album.

Agreed on all counts. I get why it's not a standout for most people, it's a weird tune. I just love it.

[Kotowboy]

There's no outright dud on the album.

Just songs that are better than others.

[TheCountOfNYC]

There's no outright dud on the album.

Just songs that are better than others.

[Architeuthis]

Here Comes Revenge is such a great metal song, it gets stuck in my head alot. 
 The outro on Halo on Fire is epic!

[Kotowboy]

Also - apart from the sheer speed of Hardwired - most of the album is pretty easy on guitar too.