The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded

[Kotowboy]

[Anguyen92]

Yeah, I understand the whole not liking the tempo to be fast for the sake of being fast, but the studio version All Nightmare Long works better and gets the adrenaline pumping which works for me, personally.

[mikeyd23]

It's all situational for me, sometimes pushing the tempo up is great, other times it needs to sit back. In this case, I agree with Kotow (and ANL is one of my favorites from DM) that riff just grooves really well at that slower tempo.

[Kotowboy]

It's all situational for me, sometimes pushing the tempo up is great, other times it needs to sit back. In this case, I agree with Kotow (and ANL is one of my favorites from DM) that riff just grooves really well at that slower tempo.

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125. Mikeyd23 


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It's such a shame though. They obviously worked hard on Death Magnetic. They spent even longer writing and recording it than they did for hardwired. If only it had the same production...

They'd have more than made up for St. Anger in a big big way.

[mikeyd23]

 

125?! Long list buddy!

[Kotowboy]

Haha. I hesitated for ages typing that thinking what would be the funniest number.

[mikeyd23]

Nailed it! 

[Kotowboy]

So yeah Hardwired is probably my 3rd favourite Metallica album since Kill Em All is way too old and bad sounding for me . Plus James vocals are not the best.

Ride The Lightning is great but I'm not a huge fan of Escape or Trapped Under Ice.

Master Of Puppets is flawless to me. That's why it will always be #1 on my list.

And Justice For All suffers from bad sound - James grunting his way through all the songs and overly long songs. Plus I don't really like To Live Is To Die.

Metallica sounds great all around and there's no track on it I skip.

Load and Reload are both very strong in their peaks but both have very low lows. I never listen to Poor Twisted Me or Ronnie.

I do like Reload as it has a touch of experimentation on like Low Man's Lyric and Where The Wild Things Are and Carpe Diem Baby which I love.

St Anger - well. Good in small doses when you're in a shit mood. Bad sound - although mastered quite well actually. Bad vocals, drum sounds

( albeit a stellar performance from Lars - his most inventive and creative drumming on an album since AJFA. He's on fire. )

Death Magnetic - terrible audio. A partial return to form. the iTunes Remaster sounds much better but still a mid tier album for me.

[mikeyd23]

Yeah I've been thinking about this lately too, and maybe it will change over time, but right now I'd put HW behind only RtL, MoP, and TBA. It's really good in my book.

[Kotowboy]

I know a lot of people slag the 2nd disc as being slow and mediocre but I don't agree. There's nothing I skip.

Even if you add Lords Of Summer into the mix. That's 84 minutes of music with barely a weak moment.

[axeman90210]

Spun this a few times over the weekend, definitely still really liking it. Sometimes a band puts out a new album and I like it at first because I'm happy to get new material, but over time the luster fades. Not the case at all here. Dream No More, Halo on Fire, and Spit Out the Bone are still definitely my top 3. Like most of the bonus material too, but James sounds terrible on Metal Militia

Also, Kotowboy, we're going to have to have a discussion about you not liking To Live is to Die. Dat middle section! All the feels.

[NotePad]

Yes it did.

For the sake of it.


Almost none of the fast songs on Death Magnetic had any swagger or groove to them. The All Nightmare Long demo was way catchier because they played it a tempo

that worked for the riff.

That Was Just Your Life was so fast live that James could barely sing it.


By comparison - every song on Hardwired is as fast as it needs to be to give the riff the best feel.



https://youtu.be/jdYW93poJsE?t=51s

^ Check this out. I get goosebumps every time I hear this riff. It's amazing. But on the album it's lost ALL of it's strut.

But my point is that Hardwired isnt really the return to "classic" Metallica like so many are saying. because isnt Classic Meta!lica the Thrash era? (the Pre-Black album stuff) So many seem to forget that They returned to thrash with DM, the Banget review for example.

[mikeyd23]

But my point is that Hardwired isnt really the return to "classic" Metallica like so many are saying. because isnt Classic Meta!lica the Thrash era? (the Pre-Black album stuff) So many seem to forget that They returned to thrash with DM, the Banget review for example.

Stylistically, HW pulls from their entire catalog, from KEA to DM. I'd say from a quality perspective, it's a return to classic Metallica, meaning it's (IMO) a higher quality record in terms of songwriting, performances, production, etc...

[Kotowboy]

But my point is that Hardwired isnt really the return to "classic" Metallica like so many are saying. because isnt Classic Meta!lica the Thrash era? (the Pre-Black album stuff) So many seem to forget that They returned to thrash with DM, the Banget review for example.

Stylistically, HW pulls from their entire catalog, from KEM to DM. I'd say from a quality perspective, it's a return to classic Metallica, meaning it's (IMO) a higher quality record in terms of songwriting, performances, production, etc...

KEA

[mikeyd23]

KEA

Hah, good catch, Fixxxed.

[Kotowboy]

I see it quite a lot actually

[fadetoblackdude7]

I'm what interested to hear everyone's opinion after a year of the release, cuz I still think the album has the 'new car smell' to it.
I want to place this one ahead of Kill and Justice, but part of me thinks that's wrong, cuz the first 5 albums have such a 'sacred' status to them hahaha.

[mikeyd23]

For me it's ahead of KEA because of rough production and amateurish writing and lyrics. It's ahead of Justice simply because of production. The songs on Justice are incredible but I'm not a fan of the sound, therefore I don't listen to it as much.

[Kotowboy]

It's in the top 5 best sounding Metallica albums for sure.

[ in no particular order ]

1. Metallica
2. Garage Inc Disc 1
3. Reload
4. Load
5. Hardwired To Self Destruct.

[Kotowboy]

Metallica just debuted Confusion in Beijing. Hoping we get that for the MetOnTour video !

[TheCountOfNYC]

Metallica just debuted Confusion in Beijing. Hoping we get that for the MetOnTour video !

That's the first song they played from disc two as well.

[Kotowboy]

Yep.

"... Huh. So far Metallica hasn't played anything from disc two...they must think it's as shit as we all do....oh......"

Disc two has Confusion, Here Comes Revenge, ManUNkind ( a great song ) and Spit Out The Bone.

[mikeyd23]

Yep.

"... Huh. So far Metallica hasn't played anything from disc two...they must think it's as shit as we all do....oh......"

Disc two has Confusion, Here Comes Revenge, ManUNkind ( a great song ) and Spit Out The Bone.

And a top three song on the record for me, Am I Savage?

[cramx3]

I'm going to guess that over the course of the year, they will play every song from the album and every song will get a live video as well.

[Kotowboy]

I'm going to guess that over the course of the year, they will play every song from the album and every song will get a live video as well.

I expect so. I don't think they'll tease the fans by debuting a song and put up Sandman as the live vid.

[mikeyd23]

I'm going to guess that over the course of the year, they will play every song from the album and every song will get a live video as well.

I expect so. I don't think they'll tease the fans by debuting a song and put up Sandman as the live vid.

  Looking forward to seeing a video of Confusion live. Not the best overall song from the new record (IMO) but it has some fantastic riffing including that main AJFAish riff.

[cramx3]

I'm going to guess that over the course of the year, they will play every song from the album and every song will get a live video as well.

I expect so. I don't think they'll tease the fans by debuting a song and put up Sandman as the live vid.

  Looking forward to seeing a video of Confusion live. Not the best overall song from the new record (IMO) but it has some fantastic riffing including that main AJFAish riff.

Yea totally.  You can add me to the group of people who think disc 2 is fairly weak, however, I will gladly take any live video of those songs.  I just love seeing bands play different songs.  However, if it were a show I attended, I'd be bummed if say I got ManUnkind instead of Halo on Fire or something similar, but that's bound to happen with any touring band who rotates songs in a set.

I just want them to announce a NA tour

[mikeyd23]

I just want them to announce a NA tour

Same here, they are doing a good job mixing up the sets so far and including a good amount of new stuff...

Here's the set from China yesterday:

Hit the Lights
Atlas, Rise!
King Nothing
The Memory Remains
(followed by Kirk's solo)
The Unforgiven
Now That We're Dead
Moth Into Flame
Harvester of Sorrow
Confusion
(live debut; followed by Rob's solo)
Halo on Fire
Sad But True
Wherever I May Roam
For Whom the Bell Tolls
(followed by Kirk's second solo)
The Day That Never Comes
Creeping Death

Encore:
One
(with Lang Lang)
Nothing Else Matters
Enter Sandman

I'd freaking love to see that set!

[Kotowboy]

If you can buy individual songs I might buy the first show of the tour as that sounded great and a couple of debuts...Then just get the HW songs individually.



I'm also really looking forward to the live Blu Ray of this tour. That new intro with the extended HW and video looks amazing.

[cramx3]

I'm also really looking forward to the live Blu Ray of this tour. That new intro with the extended HW and video looks amazing.

Have they stated anything about making one?  I would certainly be interested.

[Kotowboy]

I would imagine so.

There were FIVE for the Death Magnetic tour

[Stadler]

Mikeyd, that setlist is killer. I'm seriously thinking of seeing them if/when they hit the States.  It depends on the venue, but...

[mikeyd23]

Mikeyd, that setlist is killer. I'm seriously thinking of seeing them if/when they hit the States.  It depends on the venue, but...

For sure, if they hit up Pittsburgh I'll try my best to go.

[Azyiu]

I will be at the Hong Kong tomorrow. I expect a similar setlist like their concert in Seoul, Korea. Check out that here: https://metallica.com/tour/26153

I think this is even better than the Beijing one.

[wolfking]

Two Kirk solos, good lord.