Star Trek: The Next Threaderation

[El Barto]

Yeah, coming back from the dead mellowed Spock out quite a bit. Don't dislike him, really, but it does diminish the tension between him and McCoy quite a bit.

And only five episodes in, and Uhura not showing up all that frequently or saying/doing much, I'm surprised he even noticed her existence yet. Really, her whole purpose on the show seemed to have been be black and occasionally sing or offer feminine/Christian/racial commentary. Not dissing her, and clearly Nichelle Nichols inspired a helluva lot of people, but as a character she was barely a cut above Rand or this guy.

[Progmetty]

Spock dies and returns from the dead?! Looks like this thread is gonna be spoilers town for me from now on
I'll try glancing over posts before I read but probably won't work heh

[El Barto]

Spock dies and returns from the dead?! Looks like this thread is gonna be spoilers town for me from now on
I'll try glancing over posts before I read but probably won't work heh

Spoilers won't hurt you much here. And you got a long ways to go before the whole Spock thing.

[BlobVanDam]

Yeah, coming back from the dead mellowed Spock out quite a bit. Don't dislike him, really, but it does diminish the tension between him and McCoy quite a bit.

And only five episodes in, and Uhura not showing up all that frequently or saying/doing much, I'm surprised he even noticed her existence yet. Really, her whole purpose on the show seemed to have been be black and occasionally sing or offer feminine/Christian/racial commentary. Not dissing her, and clearly Nichelle Nichols inspired a helluva lot of people, but as a character she was barely a cut above Rand or this guy.

As a character she didn't get a lot of development or the character moments of the big guys, but in terms of exposure she was certainly a lot more memorable than redshirt #12 or Rand. And she kissed Kirk. That has to count for something, right?

[El Barto]

Yeah, coming back from the dead mellowed Spock out quite a bit. Don't dislike him, really, but it does diminish the tension between him and McCoy quite a bit.

And only five episodes in, and Uhura not showing up all that frequently or saying/doing much, I'm surprised he even noticed her existence yet. Really, her whole purpose on the show seemed to have been be black and occasionally sing or offer feminine/Christian/racial commentary. Not dissing her, and clearly Nichelle Nichols inspired a helluva lot of people, but as a character she was barely a cut above Rand or this guy.

As a character she didn't get a lot of development or the character moments of the big guys, but in terms of exposure she was certainly a lot more memorable than redshirt #12 or Rand. And she kissed Kirk. That has to count for something, right?

In one of the most painfully bad episodes of the entire series. No, it doesn't.

[El Barto]

Trying to get through my abridged season 7 of TNG, and I've decided that Descent might be the most painfully stupid episode of the entire series. A lot of them really sucked, but even Casino Royale had a passable premise. Just about every single line of dialog in this one was hard to stomach, and the various plots and premises were worse. And what really gets me is that you can tell they were shooting for a real epic. This was supposed to be meaningful and turned out to be an epic failure on just about every level.

[rumborak]

Yeah, that one is a clunker. The sketchy plot premise of the mighty Borg suddenly being these drooling imbeciles, and Spiner's overacting over the course of two episodes ... not so good.

[jammindude]

Wow. I LOVE that episode.

I just don't get being a fan of something, and hating on nearly half the output.

I mean, don't get me wrong. There are Star Trek episodes I don't care for. But with exception of about half of season 3 from TOS, and about half of season 1 of TNG, I adore every single second of the entire run of both series. Even the one about the DAHM CAHNDLE!   

I have not seen enough of the other three shows to form an opinion,  although I would like to remedy that someday.

[rumborak]

Don't get the "hating more than half the output" comment. Can't speak for EB, but I certainly like more than 80% of ST (excluding ENT, which doesn't count as ST to me).
And even the clunkers I'll rewatch.

[El Barto]

Not even close to half. Of TOS and TNG I'll lump about half into the watch category and half into the skip one, but even most of the skips I don't hate. They're just not ones that particularly appeal to me, but I'll still watch them from time to time. Moreover, I like most of DS9, VOY and even ENT. My watch/skip ratio on those is considerably higher. Episodes I truly hate are pretty few and far between.

Descent makes the cut because it's a remarkably poorly written episode. From the basic plot elements, "let's beam everybody down to the surface to search for somebody, leaving only the people least capable of running the ship behind, despite the fact that the Borg have already attacked twice before," to the most basic dialog, "you killed Crosus. I will make you suffer for that." Just painful. "The sons of Soong have joined together, and together we will destroy the Federation."   

[rumborak]

Yeah, putting Crusher in charge of the Enterprise was rather nonsensical. That said though, the throwback to the metaphasic shield and that hate relationship between the two bridge officers was kinda cool.

Best "Unusual person to command a ship" is Data though. The whole standoff with the guy who accuses him of being a heartless machine is brilliant. Also the "Understood. Request denied".

[jammindude]

I said "nearly", not "more than"...

Still, I retract if I was wrong...I still love Descent....and Spiner's supposed "overacting". I personally think he should have won an Emmy for Masks.

[Kotowboy]

I remember Spiner and Stewart saying that shooting Masks was torture because in the scene where Picard and Data face off at the end -

- whoever was delivering dialogue - the other actor would be creasing up off camera and they couldn't get through a single take.

[hefdaddy42]

New book review: Fun With Kirk And Spock

[El Barto]

Who's the inquisitive Klingon science officer? I seem to be the TOS guru here, and he's not jumping out at me.

[Orbert]

In the episode "Day of the Dove", it was a Klingon named Mara, but the picture actually shows Kang.  Oops.

[El Barto]

In the episode "Day of the Dove", it was a Klingon named Mara, but the picture actually shows Kang.  Oops.

I certainly considered Mara. But you're right, that's definitely Kang and the caption's just wrong (Kang was never on the bridge). And I would consider Mara anything but inquisitive.

Bookfail.

[BlobVanDam]

New book review: Fun With Kirk And Spock

I saw that posted on the FB page about a week or so ago, and I must get this.

[hefdaddy42]

Oh yeah, I want that.

[Kotowboy]

 

[Kotowboy]

Alexander Siddig has joined Game Of Thrones.

Anyone ever looked up his full name ?



" Siddig El Tahir El Fadil El Siddig Abderrahman Mohammed Ahmed Abdel Karim El Mahdi  "

No wonder he changed it to " Alexander Siddig "

[BlobVanDam]

I knew he had a longer name, but I'd forgotten it was that long. Remember that in the earlier seasons of DS9 he was credited as Siddig El Fadil, before changing it to Alexander Siddig. Siddig El Taj Mahal Kareem Adbul Jabar etc probably isn't the most memorable screen name for an actor trying to get a job.

I don't watch Game of Thrones, but it will be interesting to see the character he plays. I haven't seen him in anything outside of Star Trek.

[Kotowboy]

Watching him on DS9 - i obviously assumed he was English. Then I found out he's half Sudanese.

The name Siddig El Fadil should have been a clue - but he's half English so he only looks middle eastern when he grows a beard


Plus - looking at that name - it's like a Christian family calling their son
" jesus Christ Mary Joseph Bethlehem Nazareth Joseph again Jesus H Christ "

[rumborak]

A lot of actors with Middle Eastern or Jewish names change their names. E.g. do you know who Krishna Pandit Bhanji is, or Jonathan Leibowitz?

[Kotowboy]

I will soon !

[jammindude]

Watching Dark Page right now.   Another episode I feel is very well done, and one of the most emotionally moving episodes of the series.

Also, is it just me?  Or did Majel get sexier as she got older?   In TOS, I thought she was a little "man-ish"....but as Troi's mom, she was just completely different...and kinda hawt.   

[El Barto]

Watching Dark Page right now.   Another episode I feel is very well done, and one of the most emotionally moving episodes of the series.

Also, is it just me?  Or did Majel get sexier as she got older?   In TOS, I thought she was a little "man-ish"....but as Troi's mom, she was just completely different...and kinda hawt.

Had to look up Dark Page just to see what the hell it was. Like all Luwaxana Troi episodes it's in the half that hate.  And no, I never saw anything in Majel. She wasn't bad as Number One, but Nurse Chapel did nothing at all for me, and Luwaxana was one of the most annoying aspects of the entire series. She actually made Counselor Troi seem pleasant.

Great as the computer voice, though.

[jammindude]

Well...I admit that the character could be a bit annoying.   But at the same time, there was a certain confidence in herself that was appealing.   

[rumborak]

Also, is it just me?  Or did Majel get sexier as she got older?   In TOS, I thought she was a little "man-ish"....but as Troi's mom, she was just completely different...and kinda hawt.

o_O?

I guess to each their own, but she bordered at the "asexual" for me. Or, as we put it in German "you could tie her to my stomach and nothing would happen".

Regarding the episode, I'm with EB on it. Anything with Lwaxana was in the business of digging itself out of the mess the moment she appeared on screen.

[jammindude]

Even the one where she got married naked?   

[rumborak]

Oh god, I was so happy they didn't show any more than that. She just has that ... young grandma feeling to her.

[King Postwhore]

I'm with Rumbo.  There was better quality of "Trek Poon" to swoon over.

[rumborak]

"Angel One" is a good one, having both a hot main actress, and the chick from Knight Rider.

Oh, and of course Famke Janssen in "The Perfect Mate". Yum.

[El Barto]

"Angel One" is a good one, having both a hot main actress, and the chick from Knight Rider.

Good call on the main actress chick. She had a cute, Teri Garr thing working.

[King Postwhore]

Which leads me to the Playboy, Teri Garr photo shoot that of course I saw as a teen.  Like I didn't know where my dad's playboys were stashed.