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Re: Star Trek: The Next Threaderation
« Reply #35 on: July 17, 2013, 10:23:15 AM »
Plus it doesn't matter what I say or how much I liked them - i'll always be "wrong" according to Some people on this board who feel like they need to be right about everything.
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« Reply #36 on: July 18, 2013, 08:57:53 PM »
I just wish you guys weren't liars.
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« Reply #37 on: July 20, 2013, 10:55:08 AM »
No matter what you think of JJ's Star Trek prequels - I don't think anyone is in any doubt that they're not even in the same league of awful as George Lucas' Star Wars Prequels...

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« Reply #38 on: July 20, 2013, 11:01:00 AM »
To be fair, that's not much of a benchmark. :lol

I also have no doubt that JJ's Star Wars are going to be a buttload better than the PT too. I actually have pretty high expectations for them. But I guess that's a discussion for the SW thread!
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« Reply #39 on: July 20, 2013, 11:35:22 AM »
I might actually go and see Episode 7 purely because JJ is directing. He definitely knows how to tell a story and get great performances form his actors. Two things George could never do.

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« Reply #40 on: July 20, 2013, 12:49:46 PM »
To be fair, that's not much of a benchmark. :lol

I also have no doubt that JJ's Star Wars are going to be a buttload better than the PT too. I actually have pretty high expectations for them. But I guess that's a discussion for the SW thread!

I'm expecting them to be even better than the ST reboot, because I fully believe what Simon Pegg said (I *think* it was Simon Pegg...might have been someone else)...that JJ's natural story telling style (and pace) is better suited to the natural flow of SW than ST.   So as good as the ST reboot was, I have even higher expectations for the new SW movies.
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« Reply #41 on: July 20, 2013, 12:53:59 PM »
To be fair, that's not much of a benchmark. :lol

I also have no doubt that JJ's Star Wars are going to be a buttload better than the PT too. I actually have pretty high expectations for them. But I guess that's a discussion for the SW thread!

I'm expecting them to be even better than the ST reboot, because I fully believe what Simon Pegg said (I *think* it was Simon Pegg...might have been someone else)...that JJ's natural story telling style (and pace) is better suited to the natural flow of SW than ST.   So as good as the ST reboot was, I have even higher expectations for the new SW movies.

I fully agree that JJ's style is much (much) better suited to SW than ST, so I think JJ will be the right man for the job here.
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« Reply #42 on: July 20, 2013, 03:55:13 PM »
My wife is watching Nemesis on SyFy right now.   I'm reminded of how absolutely terrible this movie is.

The #1 issue I have is (IMO) the greatest and biggest plot failure in the history of the ST universe....and it's not the one(s of many) that most people discuss.

As great an actor as Tom Hardy is (and I will even admit that the interactions between he and Stewart are among the very brief decent parts of the film) the character of Shinzon is simply NOT believable as a genetic alternate of Picard in any way, shape or form.   The whole premise is actually extremely promising.   But the movie asks you to take a bald head, and a rare genetic disorder as proof that this is the genetic identical twin of Jean-Luc.   But no matter how different their lives were, it would have been SO much more compelling if there had been some similarities in their personalities.    When Picard mentions that it's like looking into a mirror, it's a purely physical memory (and as much as they tried...it's not even accurate).     The real story here would have been if both characters saw enough of themselves in one another to force them to look at themselves closer.   If Shinzon would have seen the kind diplomat in himself, if Picard would have been forced to acknowledge the darker sides of himself...the bitterness that *may* have grown and altered him if he had let it (which would have had even more compelling ramifications considering the bitterness and anger he had just dealt with in his war on the Borg in FC....could have even referenced that movie). 

I suppose what bothers me the most is that NONE of the ST movies showed so much promise, and yet was so completely botched on such a colossal level so as very nearly to destroy an entire franchise....and rightly so...it really is *THAT* bad.    Combine that with the fact that you really knew this cast was getting older, and that going in, you knew it would most likely be their final film...it just made it that much more of a travesty.  To have such an amazing ensemble go out with a horrible thud.    Especially after what I felt was ST's most under-rated film Insurrection.  (an AMAZING film with a lot of heart...it really doesn't get enough respect).

And speaking of Insurrection, I really think they gave up on Frakes as a director too quickly.   This is the man that had just delivered *THE* most popular movie of the TNG cast.   Yet he had one follow-up that underperformed (but by most people's standards was not a *bad* film...just meh) and they pull the plug on him as a director.   I really believe that he deserved one more crack at directing the tenth film....but, woulda coulda shoulda.   

Nemesis just failed on every single possible level.   Story, direction, execution.....such an absolutely terrible movie.  It's not just bad ST, it's bad sci-fi all the way around. 
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« Reply #43 on: July 20, 2013, 04:00:59 PM »
I totally agree that Shinzon being a mirror image of Picard was just not believable, not for a second. He didn't look it, he showed no classic Picard character traits. Some obscure genetic disease didn't sway me a bit.
Honestly, I think they should have shelved the script based on that they couldn't find an actor who looked the part.

And besides...

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« Reply #44 on: July 20, 2013, 04:51:47 PM »
These comments are so helpful in deciding which ST offerings to see.  I haven't seen probably 90% of what's out there.
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« Reply #45 on: July 20, 2013, 04:56:16 PM »
I think all of them are worth watching at least once.

Yes, even Generations, Nemesis and The Final Frontier are worth watching once.

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« Reply #46 on: July 20, 2013, 05:44:54 PM »
I don't have as much of a hate on for Nemesis as most.  Yeah, the B4 sub-plot was bad (as was the cinematography on the planet they found him... holy glare!).  And while I love the Shinzon character and Hardy's acting, I agree completely that the believably of them being genetic clones was just not there.  And the mind-rape between Troi and the other dude was dumb.

hhhmmm... the more I think about it, the shittier the movie gets!

gotta find some time to go thru DS9, Voyager and Enterprise from scratch.
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« Reply #47 on: July 20, 2013, 06:05:10 PM »
I don't have as much of a hate on for Nemesis as most.  Yeah, the B4 sub-plot was bad (as was the cinematography on the planet they found him... holy glare!).  And while I love the Shinzon character and Hardy's acting, I agree completely that the believably of them being genetic clones was just not there.  And the mind-rape between Troi and the other dude was dumb.

hhhmmm... the more I think about it, the shittier the movie gets!

gotta find some time to go thru DS9, Voyager and Enterprise from scratch.

Yeah...the movie was terrible enough in its execution of the main plot to warrant being the worst of all the ST films....the B4 and Troi rape subplots just serve to bring it down even further.   The whole movie really just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. 

EDIT:  It's pretty safe to say that Nemesis was one of the few movies (not just ST movies...but movies entirely) that actively pissed me off with how poorly it was done.     I didn't go in with "pie in the sky" hope, but I didn't go in thinking it would be terrible either.   I had really enjoyed FC and IS, and the premise of Nemesis sounded very intriguing.   They may as well have just handed it to Uwe Boll....he could not POSSIBLY have done a worse job than Stuart Baird.
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« Reply #48 on: July 20, 2013, 06:29:22 PM »
 :blush :blush

I like Nemesis.


I watched it again recently with no preconceptions and found myself enjoying it all the way through.

I found Insurrection quite boring actually.


Here's a quick poll :

Best TNG Movie Villain ?

1.Soran
2.Ru'afo
3.Borg Queen
4.Shinzon

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« Reply #49 on: July 20, 2013, 06:49:36 PM »
:blush :blush

I like Nemesis.


I watched it again recently with no preconceptions and found myself enjoying it all the way through.

I found Insurrection quite boring actually.


Here's a quick poll :

Best TNG Movie Villain ?

1.Soran
2.Ru'afo
3.Borg Queen
4.Shinzon

I disagree with everything except the order of your villians.   I just find it fascinating that in spite of your defense of Nemesis and criticism of Insurrection, you place Shinzon last and Ru'afo second only to Soran. 
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« Reply #50 on: July 20, 2013, 06:51:31 PM »
Sorry. It wasn't a ranking - I was just listing them in order for others to rank :)

But Soran is my favourite.

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« Reply #51 on: July 20, 2013, 06:53:09 PM »
Even I know that making a list of anything in this forum is automatically a ranking!   :loser:  ;)  :D

How long you been here, kotowboy???   :o   :D
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« Reply #52 on: July 20, 2013, 06:54:10 PM »
Ya...and you even numbered them.   And NOT in chronological order either.   Wassup with that?   :angel:
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« Reply #53 on: July 20, 2013, 06:55:43 PM »
Ya...and you even numbered them.   And NOT in chronological order either.   Wassup with that?   :angel:

Because I was considering whether to include the Borg Queen as a single villain seeing as the Borg are a collective.

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« Reply #54 on: July 20, 2013, 06:56:37 PM »
The Trekker OCD force is strong in this thread...   :P
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« Reply #55 on: July 20, 2013, 07:07:36 PM »
The Trekker OCD force is strong in this thread...   :P

DCO are my intials !  :omg:

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« Reply #56 on: July 20, 2013, 07:12:11 PM »
The Trekker OCD force is strong in this thread...   :P

DCO are my intials !  :omg:

Oh the irony of having the initials be out of order.   :rollin
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« Reply #57 on: July 20, 2013, 07:15:59 PM »
The Trekker OCD force is strong in this thread...   :P

DCO are my intials !  :omg:

Oh the irony of having the initials be out of order.   :rollin

Truly magnificent!!!   :rollin :rollin
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« Reply #58 on: July 20, 2013, 07:17:55 PM »
Not really - i've shown i don't care for standard procedure.


I'm literally reverse OCD.

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« Reply #59 on: July 20, 2013, 07:19:30 PM »
HA!  In some ways...even better!
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« Reply #60 on: July 20, 2013, 07:20:44 PM »
Not really - i've shown i don't care for standard procedure.


I'm literally reverse OCD.


Especially in the DT Cover Art thread!  ;)  You rebel, you...
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« Reply #61 on: July 20, 2013, 07:20:51 PM »
My initials basically describe me :P

I don't have OCD - I go out of my way to *not* do things exactly right.

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« Reply #62 on: July 20, 2013, 07:21:41 PM »
Not really - i've shown i don't care for standard procedure.


I'm literally reverse OCD.


Especially in the DT Cover Art thread!  ;)  You rebel, you...

:p I just snapped. I was getting tired of certain people acting like mods that aren't and disagreeing with almost everything.

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« Reply #63 on: July 20, 2013, 07:22:24 PM »
So, how about that new Star trek Film ? :neverusethis:

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« Reply #64 on: July 20, 2013, 07:22:36 PM »
My initials basically describe me :P

I don't have OCD - I go out of my way to *not* do things exactly right.

;D

hmmm...is that a compulsion with you..?
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« Reply #65 on: July 20, 2013, 07:24:00 PM »
My initials basically describe me :P

I don't have OCD - I go out of my way to *not* do things exactly right.

;D

hmmm...is that a compulsion with you..?

Well I'm the type of person that doesn't like following trends. E.g. I've never smoked or been drunk. I've never worn what's "in". I'll never wear skintight jeans for example. Or vans, Converse etc.... I am sceptical of any kind of enforced conformity.

If 100 people say something is amazing - and i think it's shit - i'll say it's shit.

I'm not the type of guy that goes " um...well..i guess it was ok.. "

I really don't care what people think of me.

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« Reply #66 on: July 20, 2013, 07:29:29 PM »
My initials basically describe me :P

I don't have OCD - I go out of my way to *not* do things exactly right.

;D

hmmm...is that a compulsion with you..?

Well I'm the type of person that doesn't like following trends. E.g. I've never smoked or been drunk. I've never worn what's "in". I'll never wear skintight jeans for example. Or vans, Converse etc.... I am sceptical of any kind of enforced conformity.

I've never smoked or been drunk, either.  Skintight jeans are pretty much an extremely risky fashion choice for most.  As for Converse -- those were the shoes of my childhood -- I like them regardless of if they are in style or not.

I feel safe in saying that I like what I like...following trends have never been something I do.  If I happen to like something that's currently a trend, then great.  I'm not a crowd follower -- nor do I really make a big deal about not being one.  I am what I am.    :hat
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« Reply #67 on: July 20, 2013, 07:32:40 PM »
:clap:

Trends make me really angry :lol

Seeing dozens of bands that all look and sound identical. And they all play Rickenbacker basses and play drums the Exact same way.  And all the singers sing in the same register all the time for every song. Even if they physically can't reach the notes.

I once went to see a friends band and it was a hardcore night and EVERY FUCKING GUY in the venue was wearing a red checked shirt :lol :lol

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« Reply #68 on: July 20, 2013, 07:36:16 PM »
I look at people following trends and i'm all


" I...am....Better. "

BOOM ! BACK ON TRACK !!

Star Trek Into Darkness. Cumberbatch was awesome in that.

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« Reply #69 on: July 20, 2013, 07:44:15 PM »
All that!

And I do really want to see "Into Darkness" again.    :)
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