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Re: "500 albums you need to hear to understand metal"
« Reply #35 on: March 20, 2013, 07:02:09 PM »
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Quote from: wolfking on March 18, 2013, 09:23:25 PM
I understand but in regards to it's novelty regarding length and its metal nature, it should be here over dozens of these albums.

But Light of Day, Day of Darkness IS on this list..

It is?

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Quote from: wolfking on March 18, 2013, 09:46:57 PM
Looking at it again, I think adding Lulu and Dedicated to Chaos is simply to take the piss.  No one could seriously think you need these two album to understand metal.  I understand they could possibly be looking at it in the aspect of what a once great metal band is doing now, but I don't buy it.

They were mentioned as an example of "failure" - as was IM's X Factor (so it was mentioned!  :biggrin:)

Hey, that's enough out of you.  :D
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Re: "500 albums you need to hear to understand metal"
« Reply #36 on: March 20, 2013, 07:05:01 PM »
Bad list. most metal is easy to understand aniways. and it has lulu in it.
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Re: "500 albums you need to hear to understand metal"
« Reply #37 on: March 20, 2013, 07:32:24 PM »
Quote from: crazyaga on March 20, 2013, 07:05:01 PM
Bad list. most metal is easy to understand aniways. and it has lulu in it.

You do realize they're saying (nicely) that Lulu was a piece of shit, right?
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Re: "500 albums you need to hear to understand metal"
« Reply #38 on: March 20, 2013, 07:44:57 PM »
doesnt matter. Lulu doesnt worth mentioning.  :D
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Re: "500 albums you need to hear to understand metal"
« Reply #39 on: March 20, 2013, 07:52:16 PM »
So you felt that you had to mention that it shouldn't be on the list? Nice.
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Re: "500 albums you need to hear to understand metal"
« Reply #40 on: March 20, 2013, 07:56:58 PM »
Last time I checked, this is a message board. Stupid opinions or not, all are welcomed (within the rules of course).

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Re: "500 albums you need to hear to understand metal"
« Reply #41 on: March 21, 2013, 12:56:33 AM »
Quote from: Zook on March 20, 2013, 07:56:58 PM
Last time I checked, this is a message board. Stupid opinions or not, all are welcomed (within the rules of course).

 :tup

I wasn't saying anything about his opinion, I was just stating that he he mentioned it while saying it shouldn't be mention, and me, being a hair splitting asshole, pointed it out because I do that even when I know it's a terrible idea.
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Re: "500 albums you need to hear to understand metal"
« Reply #42 on: March 21, 2013, 05:44:27 AM »
Amount of Marilyn Manson albums = 3.
Amount of both Ministry and Nine Inch Nails albums = 3.

lol.

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Re: "500 albums you need to hear to understand metal"
« Reply #43 on: March 21, 2013, 05:49:52 AM »
To be fair, Mechanical Animals and Holy Wood are really, really good.
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Re: "500 albums you need to hear to understand metal"
« Reply #44 on: March 21, 2013, 06:10:45 AM »
Psalm 69 and The Downward Spiral are godlike, so I'm happy they're included. Haven't yet heard The Fragile.

Manson is on my list, too. Though I don't know much other than Sweet Dreams and The Fight Song. I really like the latter.

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Re: "500 albums you need to hear to understand metal"
« Reply #45 on: March 21, 2013, 07:28:22 AM »
Y'know, it's amazing how many of those I have owned over the years.
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Re: "500 albums you need to hear to understand metal"
« Reply #46 on: March 21, 2013, 08:27:09 AM »
Quote from: Ruba on March 21, 2013, 05:44:27 AM
Amount of Marilyn Manson albums = 3.
Amount of both Ministry and Nine Inch Nails albums = 3.

lol.

Got to check out Skinny Puppy sometime.
You should, they're great. On the more abrasive side of industrial music though I warn you.
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Re: "500 albums you need to hear to understand metal"
« Reply #47 on: March 21, 2013, 11:57:56 AM »
Quote from: wolfking on March 20, 2013, 07:02:09 PM
Quote from: Elite on March 20, 2013, 06:10:36 PM
Quote from: wolfking on March 18, 2013, 09:23:25 PM
I understand but in regards to it's novelty regarding length and its metal nature, it should be here over dozens of these albums.

But Light of Day, Day of Darkness IS on this list..

It is?

Yes, it is.
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Re: "500 albums you need to hear to understand metal"
« Reply #48 on: March 21, 2013, 01:57:15 PM »
suggested additions in the prog portion:

-Pain of Salvation
-King's X
-dredg
-Marillion
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Re: "500 albums you need to hear to understand metal"
« Reply #49 on: March 21, 2013, 02:00:34 PM »
500 albums...? Really? I need to listen to 500 albums to understand metal? Bullshit.
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Re: "500 albums you need to hear to understand metal"
« Reply #50 on: March 21, 2013, 02:15:07 PM »
I guess I don't understand metal...
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Re: "500 albums you need to hear to understand metal"
« Reply #51 on: March 21, 2013, 04:02:29 PM »
Quote from: SoundscapeMN on March 21, 2013, 01:57:15 PM
suggested additions in the prog portion:

-Pain of Salvation
-King's X
-dredg
-Marillion

Oh my goodness, I can't believe I forgot Marillion. There's three Marillion records on my wall above the computer. 

Thats the problem. I keep thinking I've added stuff that I haven't. That and the list started off with a one album per band rule that I dropped after a month, but I forget who I did and didnt fix sometimes.   

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Re: "500 albums you need to hear to understand metal"
« Reply #52 on: March 21, 2013, 04:09:46 PM »
One glaring omission is KrotchRaut. HOW CAN YOU FORGET THEM?!
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Re: "500 albums you need to hear to understand metal"
« Reply #53 on: March 21, 2013, 04:13:23 PM »
Quote from: Zook on March 21, 2013, 04:09:46 PM
One glaring omission is Thundersword. HOW CAN YOU FORGET THEM?!

Fixed.
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Re: "500 albums you need to hear to understand metal"
« Reply #54 on: March 21, 2013, 04:17:00 PM »
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Re: "500 albums you need to hear to understand metal"
« Reply #55 on: March 21, 2013, 06:45:05 PM »
Quote from: Elite on March 21, 2013, 11:57:56 AM
Quote from: wolfking on March 20, 2013, 07:02:09 PM
Quote from: Elite on March 20, 2013, 06:10:36 PM
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I understand but in regards to it's novelty regarding length and its metal nature, it should be here over dozens of these albums.

But Light of Day, Day of Darkness IS on this list..

It is?

Yes, it is.

oh
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Re: "500 albums you need to hear to understand metal"
« Reply #56 on: March 22, 2013, 08:17:12 AM »
Quote from: wolfking on March 21, 2013, 06:45:05 PM
Quote from: Elite on March 21, 2013, 11:57:56 AM
Quote from: wolfking on March 20, 2013, 07:02:09 PM
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Quote from: wolfking on March 18, 2013, 09:23:25 PM
I understand but in regards to it's novelty regarding length and its metal nature, it should be here over dozens of these albums.

But Light of Day, Day of Darkness IS on this list..

It is?

Yes, it is.

oh

You're both right. I added it after your suggestion.
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Re: "500 albums you need to hear to understand metal"
« Reply #57 on: March 22, 2013, 12:51:50 PM »
Quote from: LieLowTheWantedMan on March 21, 2013, 08:27:09 AM
Quote from: Ruba on March 21, 2013, 05:44:27 AM
Amount of Marilyn Manson albums = 3.
Amount of both Ministry and Nine Inch Nails albums = 3.

lol.

Got to check out Skinny Puppy sometime.
You should, they're great. On the more abrasive side of industrial music though I warn you.

I've liked every industrial band I've checked out, so I don't think I shoud be worried  :lol.
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Re: "500 albums you need to hear to understand metal"
« Reply #58 on: March 23, 2013, 11:06:21 AM »
YES THE SNOW GOOSE


I am so happy to see Camel's The Snow Goose on that list. While it's about as metal as a wooden spoon full of custard, it's an awesome album, and I think I can sort of see how it is important to metal, even if that importance is not necessrily the most expected. I'm not sure he means "first" genesis album, though. I think he may have forgotten FGTR exists, otherwise it's a very interesting list.
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Re: "500 albums you need to hear to understand metal"
« Reply #59 on: March 23, 2013, 04:02:12 PM »
Quote from: Sketchy on March 23, 2013, 11:06:21 AM
YES THE SNOW GOOSE


I am so happy to see Camel's The Snow Goose on that list. While it's about as metal as a wooden spoon full of custard, it's an awesome album, and I think I can sort of see how it is important to metal, even if that importance is not necessrily the most expected. I'm not sure he means "first" genesis album, though. I think he may have forgotten FGTR exists, otherwise it's a very interesting list.

Ah, I'm just unsure whether or not its a real Genesis album or not.
For example I have Slipknot's self-titled down in my iTunes as '01 Slipknot' and Mate Feed Kill Repeat down as '00 Mate Feed Kill Repeat' because I don't think MFKR is their first album even if it came first, if you follow.

I don't know enough about that record to know if its Genesis real first album, or just a demo that lasted as long as an album.
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Re: "500 albums you need to hear to understand metal"
« Reply #60 on: March 23, 2013, 04:07:01 PM »
It was definitely a bona fide album, but it was on a different label (Decca as opposed to Charisma) and it was produced by (I forget the name, Jonathan something or other) as a pop album, rather than doing the whole prog thing. It was largely unknown to Genesis fans by the time of Nursery Cryme though.

And many argue that it wasn't very good (although I quite like it).
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Re: "500 albums you need to hear to understand metal"
« Reply #61 on: March 23, 2013, 04:48:43 PM »
Quote from: Sketchy on March 23, 2013, 04:07:01 PM
It was definitely a bona fide album, but it was on a different label (Decca as opposed to Charisma) and it was produced by (I forget the name, Jonathan something or other) as a pop album, rather than doing the whole prog thing. It was largely unknown to Genesis fans by the time of Nursery Cryme though.

And many argue that it wasn't very good (although I quite like it).
Ah fair enough cool.
I thought it might've just been a demo jumped into an album as a cash in late in history.
Ooooh. So there's one more Gabriel era Genesis album? I must check that out.
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Re: "500 albums you need to hear to understand metal"
« Reply #62 on: March 23, 2013, 05:33:19 PM »
It's not too bad actually. Just not something that I'd listen to every week like Nurcery Cryme or Selling England or Trespass.
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Re: "500 albums you need to hear to understand metal"
« Reply #63 on: March 24, 2013, 03:09:46 AM »
Yar, if you don't expect it to be anything like their others, it's pretty good. In The Beginning and Where The Sour Turns To Sweet are pretty catchy songs which I almost wish they played later into their career sometimes.
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Re: "500 albums you need to hear to understand metal"
« Reply #64 on: March 24, 2013, 07:32:34 PM »
Quote from: Kingcrimsonprog on March 22, 2013, 08:17:12 AM
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I understand but in regards to it's novelty regarding length and its metal nature, it should be here over dozens of these albums.

But Light of Day, Day of Darkness IS on this list..

It is?

Yes, it is.

oh

You're both right. I added it after your suggestion.

Heh?
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Re: "500 albums you need to hear to understand metal"
« Reply #65 on: March 24, 2013, 08:48:38 PM »
Quote from: Ruba on March 21, 2013, 05:44:27 AM
Amount of Marilyn Manson albums = 3.
Amount of both Ministry and Nine Inch Nails albums = 3.

lol.

Got to check out Skinny Puppy sometime.

Skinny Puppy are awesome and the pioneers of industrial, though they are of a radically different breed. Their albums are highly experimental and fragmented, but very rewarding if you press the play button with an open mind.
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Re: "500 albums you need to hear to understand metal"
« Reply #66 on: March 25, 2013, 06:00:59 AM »
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Quote from: wolfking on March 20, 2013, 07:02:09 PM
Quote from: Elite on March 20, 2013, 06:10:36 PM
Quote from: wolfking on March 18, 2013, 09:23:25 PM
I understand but in regards to it's novelty regarding length and its metal nature, it should be here over dozens of these albums.

But Light of Day, Day of Darkness IS on this list..

It is?

Yes, it is.

oh

You're both right. I added it after your suggestion.

Heh?
When you looked at the list for the first time, it wasn't there. Then when I read your comment, I added the album to the list.
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Re: "500 albums you need to hear to understand metal"
« Reply #67 on: March 25, 2013, 06:28:50 AM »
Are you the creator of the list?
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Re: "500 albums you need to hear to understand metal"
« Reply #68 on: March 26, 2013, 05:52:52 AM »
Quote from: wolfking on March 25, 2013, 06:28:50 AM
Are you the creator of the list?

Yeah. I found this forum through my blog's traffic analytics.
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