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Re: 500 albums you need to hear to understand metal
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2013, 08:10:38 PM »
Any list with Lulu, Dedicated To Chaos and Illud Divinum Insanus is impossible to take seriously.
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Re: 500 albums you need to hear to understand metal
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2013, 08:14:03 PM »
Lulu is on the list. Therefore it is invalid.

I didn't read anything on the site and just scrolled through all the album covers, but how is Nevermind essential to understanding metal? How are any of those albums essential? I understand metal just fine without them.

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Re: 500 albums you need to hear to understand metal
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2013, 08:16:52 PM »
The list is designed to give you a complete idea of metal, including critical successes, failures, and influential works, rather than "just" metal. Did you guys even read the explanation before summarily dismissing it?

There's a lot of interesting stuff on there.

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Re: 500 albums you need to hear to understand metal
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2013, 08:18:00 PM »
Did you guys even read the explanation before summarily dismissing it?

I didn't read anything on the site and just scrolled through all the album covers

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Re: 500 albums you need to hear to understand metal
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2013, 08:23:00 PM »
I'm really not sure I understand this list. Well part of it anyway. It makes more sense as it goes on. Loved seeing Pawn Hearts get mentioned though. Has some of the darkest most chaotic sections in music at it's time.

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Re: "500 albums you need to hear to understand metal"
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2013, 08:29:16 PM »
Any list with Lulu, Dedicated To Chaos and Illud Divinum Insanus is impossible to take seriously.
"Important critical failures are important for understanding the holistic entirety of metal. Often they inform other artists who try to avoid the same negative public backlash."

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« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2013, 08:42:21 PM »
Meh, some good stuff there, a few things I noticed;

Rush - I think Permanent Waves and at least a couple of their later outputs should be present.
Thin Lizzy - Black Rose should be added
Malmsteen - His debut should be here
Judas Priest - Stained Class should be here, as should Jugulator
Iron Maiden - The X Factor should be added
Mercyful Fate - No Melissa??
Children of Bodom - Hate Crew is here, but why not Hatebreeder or Reaper?
No Hammerfall?
Korn - The Path of Totality.  I love Korn but what the hell?  Just because it contains Dubstep doesn't mean you need to hear it to understand metal.
Lulu and Dedicated To Chaos do not need to be here at all
No Green Carnation?
No Watchtower?
No Halford or Dickinson solo albums?
No Amorphis?
What about more AOR stuff like Harem Scarem, Hardline, Pink Cream 69, Jorn Lande, Talisman etc.
Was there any Symphony X?
No Evergrey?
Not sure if there was any Accept of UDO?

I could go on. 

A lot of those punk and alternative albums I never need to hear, they could be replaced with other great metal acts and albums that have been neglected here.
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« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2013, 08:56:30 PM »
Meh, some good stuff there, a few things I noticed;

Rush - I think Permanent Waves and at least a couple of their later outputs should be present.
Thin Lizzy - Black Rose should be added
Malmsteen - His debut should be here
Judas Priest - Stained Class should be here, as should Jugulator
Iron Maiden - The X Factor should be added
Mercyful Fate - No Melissa??
Children of Bodom - Hate Crew is here, but why not Hatebreeder or Reaper?
No Hammerfall?
Korn - The Path of Totality.  I love Korn but what the hell?  Just because it contains Dubstep doesn't mean you need to hear it to understand metal.
Lulu and Dedicated To Chaos do not need to be here at all
No Green Carnation?
No Watchtower?
No Halford or Dickinson solo albums?
No Amorphis?
What about more AOR stuff like Harem Scarem, Hardline, Pink Cream 69, Jorn Lande, Talisman etc.
Was there any Symphony X?
No Evergrey?
Not sure if there was any Accept of UDO?

I could go on. 

A lot of those punk and alternative albums I never need to hear, they could be replaced with other great metal acts and albums that have been neglected here.

 not every power metal album in the world needs to be on the list
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Re: "500 albums you need to hear to understand metal"
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2013, 08:58:09 PM »
Great list. Informative and pretty in depth for the range of genres.

...and anyone who doesn't understand why they purposefully put certain 'bad' albums are on here didn't get the point of the list.
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Re: "500 albums you need to hear to understand metal"
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2013, 08:59:58 PM »
Meh, some good stuff there, a few things I noticed;

Rush - I think Permanent Waves and at least a couple of their later outputs should be present.
Thin Lizzy - Black Rose should be added
Malmsteen - His debut should be here
Judas Priest - Stained Class should be here, as should Jugulator
Iron Maiden - The X Factor should be added
Mercyful Fate - No Melissa??
Children of Bodom - Hate Crew is here, but why not Hatebreeder or Reaper?
No Hammerfall?
Korn - The Path of Totality.  I love Korn but what the hell?  Just because it contains Dubstep doesn't mean you need to hear it to understand metal.
Lulu and Dedicated To Chaos do not need to be here at all
No Green Carnation?
No Watchtower?
No Halford or Dickinson solo albums?
No Amorphis?
What about more AOR stuff like Harem Scarem, Hardline, Pink Cream 69, Jorn Lande, Talisman etc.
Was there any Symphony X?
No Evergrey?
Not sure if there was any Accept of UDO?

I could go on. 

A lot of those punk and alternative albums I never need to hear, they could be replaced with other great metal acts and albums that have been neglected here.

 not every power metal album in the world needs to be on the list

No but Hammerfall do.  Like them or not, they were very inportant for power metal and one of the originators of the modern style.

Green Carnation - Light of Day should be here because like others on the list like Crimson and Dopesmoker, it should be represented.

Evergrey should at least have In Search of Truth on here too, an important modern metal prog album.

Mercyful Fate Melissa is a black metal classic.

Watchtower's Control and Denied is a classic and important technical prog metal lbum.

Amorphis are an important modern power/goth metal act

etc.
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Re: 500 albums you need to hear to understand metal
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2013, 09:02:31 PM »
Meh, some good stuff there, a few things I noticed;


Malmsteen - His debut should be here
Judas Priest - Stained Class should be here
No Halford or Dickinson solo albums?


This is all that needs to be said. Especially the Dickinson and Malmsteen albums. They are absolutely critical to the genre no matter what point someone is trying to make. One could argue that there are better Priest albums, but Accident of Birth and Chemical Wedding are the best metal albums of their era and should be part of any list dealing with metal.
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Re: "500 albums you need to hear to understand metal"
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2013, 09:08:52 PM »
Night of the Stormrider should get a nod. I know Iced Earth wasnt/isn't of great importance to metal overall, but at least they're metal unlike fucking Nirvana.

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« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2013, 09:12:36 PM »
Yeah, I felt Something Wicked being the only IE album represented was a bit stale.  Stormrider, Dark Saga and Burnt Offerings should be acknolwleged.
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Re: "500 albums you need to hear to understand metal"
« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2013, 09:22:00 PM »
For some reason Light of Day, Day of Darkness isn't something I listen to in a "metal" mindset if you catch my drift. Then again, lots of albums that have literally no connection to metal no matter how you spin it are on there, so I don't know what to believe. :lol I'm sure the guy making it sees something I don't though. :)
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« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2013, 09:23:25 PM »
I understand but in regards to it's novelty regarding length and its metal nature, it should be here over dozens of these albums.
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Re: "500 albums you need to hear to understand metal"
« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2013, 09:30:38 PM »
I think it's pretty typical of internet folk to respond to something like this by saying "oh man, look how many albums they left off the list! I'm so much smarter than these guys!" Meanwhile the people/person who wrote this must have spent weeks putting together a fantastic list that looks back on the history of metal. Whether you guys like it or not, this is a really well-informed, and well-made list. Nearly every niche metal and even most related genres is included, with nearly all of it's well known successes and failures. I bet none of you guys even read the descriptions.

Also not all of your favorite artists deserve 4 albums in a list like this.

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Re: "500 albums you need to hear to understand metal"
« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2013, 09:31:52 PM »
Let me guess what's in this thread without reading it.

A list of someone's opinion of what's important followed by people insisting that what they think is important should be on the other person's purely subjective list?

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Re: "500 albums you need to hear to understand metal"
« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2013, 09:34:08 PM »
Let me guess what's in this thread without reading it.

A list of someone's opinion of what's important followed by people insisting that what they think is important should be on the other person's purely subjective list?

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Re: "500 albums you need to hear to understand metal"
« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2013, 09:35:16 PM »
Let me guess what's in this thread without reading it.

A list of someone's opinion of what's important followed by people insisting that what they think is important should be on the other person's purely subjective list?

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Re: "500 albums you need to hear to understand metal"
« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2013, 09:36:27 PM »
I think it's pretty typical of internet folk to respond to something like this by saying "oh man, look how many albums they left off the list! I'm so much smarter than these guys!" Meanwhile the people/person who wrote this must have spent weeks putting together a fantastic list that looks back on the history of metal. Whether you guys like it or not, this is a really well-informed, and well-made list. Nearly every niche metal and even most related genres is included, with nearly all of it's well known successes and failures. I bet none of you guys even read the descriptions.

Also not all of your favorite artists deserve 4 albums in a list like this.

But in reality, I feel the author is being just as subjective as anyone else.  But the list itself has a good range.
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Re: "500 albums you need to hear to understand metal"
« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2013, 09:44:11 PM »
Not sure if I saw the whole list, but I thought it was pretty good, although I'd change some choices and put some in, but it's a good list nonetheless

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Re: "500 albums you need to hear to understand metal"
« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2013, 09:46:57 PM »
Looking at it again, I think adding Lulu and Dedicated to Chaos is simply to take the piss.  No one could seriously think you need these two album to understand metal.  I understand they could possibly be looking at it in the aspect of what a once great metal band is doing now, but I don't buy it.
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Re: "500 albums you need to hear to understand metal"
« Reply #23 on: March 19, 2013, 03:01:34 AM »
I think it's a good list - it represents all the genres of metal and the subgenres of music that have directly influenced them through albums and that is not a bad way to go if you want to "understand" metal in whole, subgenre by subgenre. Of course, in order to be REALLY comprehensive, it should include around 1000 albums or something. And they've overkilled it with, what, 10 djent albums from 2011 and 2012? But yeah it's a good way to look at metal.

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« Reply #24 on: March 19, 2013, 06:39:38 AM »
Pretty good list. Lulu was in the "failures" section, so I don't see why people are griping about it being on there.

My gripe is that they didn't have Bergtatt by Ulver, which is definitely the most influential Ulver album.
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« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2013, 08:33:20 AM »
No A7X.

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« Reply #26 on: March 19, 2013, 08:43:26 AM »
ITT: A solid rationale as to why lists like this are pointless  :lol

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« Reply #27 on: March 20, 2013, 11:10:18 AM »
Hey, thanks for the suggestions for additions. I've stuck most of them in it now.

Anybody know more about Black Metal.. most Black Metal fans I've asked for help so far are too rude and hostile to provide much help.

I'd like to know about post-black metal especially.

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« Reply #28 on: March 20, 2013, 11:18:51 AM »
I, for one, am pleased that Stryper made the list.

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« Reply #29 on: March 20, 2013, 12:05:56 PM »
Hey, thanks for the suggestions for additions. I've stuck most of them in it now.

Anybody know more about Black Metal.. most Black Metal fans I've asked for help so far are too rude and hostile to provide much help.

I'd like to know about post-black metal especially.
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« Reply #30 on: March 20, 2013, 03:53:45 PM »
Hey, thanks for the suggestions for additions. I've stuck most of them in it now.

Anybody know more about Black Metal.. most Black Metal fans I've asked for help so far are too rude and hostile to provide much help.

I'd like to know about post-black metal especially.
You should really add at least one other Agalloch album. Ashes would be my choice but any of them are good. As I said before, Bergtatt is one of the most influential black metal albums out there, so you should add that if you haven't

For other genres, you should consider adding Fortress by Protest the Hero, because if Scurrilous made the list, fortress should be on there.
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« Reply #31 on: March 20, 2013, 04:30:17 PM »
Looking at it again, I think adding Lulu and Dedicated to Chaos is simply to take the piss.  No one could seriously think you need these two album to understand metal.  I understand they could possibly be looking at it in the aspect of what a once great metal band is doing now, but I don't buy it.

They were mentioned as an example of "failure" - as was IM's X Factor (so it was mentioned!  :biggrin:)

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« Reply #32 on: March 20, 2013, 06:10:36 PM »
I understand but in regards to it's novelty regarding length and its metal nature, it should be here over dozens of these albums.

But Light of Day, Day of Darkness IS on this list..
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« Reply #33 on: March 20, 2013, 06:18:04 PM »
There are some pretty shitty album covers on that list.
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« Reply #34 on: March 20, 2013, 06:22:09 PM »
I just noticed Wishbone Ash's 'Argus' on the list. YES! I love that album.
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