Your Controversial Opinions on DT

[Kotowboy]

haha imagine abbreviating 6:00 to 6AM. IT SOLVES NOTHING

[BlobVanDam]

8 = octave VM ? Varium ?

But it's Octav-arium not Octave Varium.

8AM would be more appropriate. or OVM.

Or just write out Octavarium - because it takes like 1 second. Octavarium.

8 = oct (like octagon)
V = varium.

You're overthinking this, Kotowboy. But I guess that's the prog thing to do!

Octavarium isn't a fun word to type out either. 8V is several times quicker, which is good when you're a lazy shit like me.

[Gromit1710]

>.>

Think this got started because there's a specific musical notation for playing a note one octave higher. The 8v thing is probably rooted in that.



The 8va (pronounced ottava alta) sign is placed above the staff (as shown) to tell the musician to play the passage one octave higher.

[rumborak]

I feel trapped inside this thread.

[Kotowboy]

8 = octave VM ? Varium ?

But it's Octav-arium not Octave Varium.

8AM would be more appropriate. or OVM.

Or just write out Octavarium - because it takes like 1 second. Octavarium.

8 = oct (like octagon)
V = varium.

You're overthinking this, Kotowboy. But I guess that's the prog thing to do!

Octavarium isn't a fun word to type out either. 8V is several times quicker, which is good when you're a lazy shit like me.

Octavarium Octavarium Octavarium.

I typed out three Octavarium and I didn't vary 'em

[Sir Walrus Cauliflower]

Alright here's a controversial one: the drum part to Metropolis part 1 has some of the most tasteless and annoying drum fills I've heard. I don't understand how people complain about mangini's "machine gun" fills and then praise the drum part of Metropolis. Still a great song though.

[Enigmachine]

Alright here's a controversial one: the drum part to Metropolis part 1 has some of the most tasteless and annoying drum fills I've heard. I don't understand how people complain about mangini's "machine gun" fills and them praise the drum part of Metropolis. Still a great song though.

Probably because the drums (well, kick and snare) were 100% triggered with no dynamic variation unlike MM, who is consistent but still has some variation and ghost notes especially in TA.

[425]

Alright here's a controversial one: the drum part to Metropolis part 1 has some of the most tasteless and annoying drum fills I've heard. I don't understand how people complain about mangini's "machine gun" fills and them praise the drum part of Metropolis. Still a great song though.

The drum part to Metropolis, Pt. 1 is probably my favorite drum part on any song ever.

[pcs90]

Alright here's a controversial one: the drum part to Metropolis part 1 has some of the most tasteless and annoying drum fills I've heard. I don't understand how people complain about mangini's "machine gun" fills and them praise the drum part of Metropolis. Still a great song though.

Yeah, plus the snare on IW was actually triggered. I'd take MM's snare sound over that any day even though I'm not in love with either tone.

[Sir Walrus Cauliflower]

I don't dislike the fills because they're triggered, or how they sound, it's the actual placement of the fill and what is played. And I think the drum part is wonderful, but bought down a ton by weird fill placement.

[Kotowboy]

I found MP tended to put big fills in where they weren't necessary.

[pcs90]

I found MP tended to put big fills in where they weren't necessary.

Yep, one of my biggest complaints about his playing.

[Sir Walrus Cauliflower]

I found MP tended to put big fills in where they weren't necessary.

Exactly. I think MP1 is one of the biggest offenders.

Death *DUGUDUGA DUCKADUCKA* is the *DUGUDUGA DUCKADUCKA* first *DUGUDUGA DUCKADUCKA* dance eternal *DUGUDUGA DUCKADUCKA*

[Train of Naught]

I found MP tended to put big fills in where they weren't necessary.

Exactly. I think MP1 is one of the biggest offenders.

Death *DUGUDUGA DUCKADUCKA* is the *DUGUDUGA DUCKADUCKA* first *DUGUDUGA DUCKADUCKA* dance eternal *DUGUDUGA DUCKADUCKA*

Dang I always really liked that one. What's your opinion on the very similar slowed down alternative in Home? (don't have a timestamp but I'm assuming you know the one)

[Crow]

i dunno i loved MP's random fills myself 

[Sir Walrus Cauliflower]

I found MP tended to put big fills in where they weren't necessary.

Exactly. I think MP1 is one of the biggest offenders.

Death *DUGUDUGA DUCKADUCKA* is the *DUGUDUGA DUCKADUCKA* first *DUGUDUGA DUCKADUCKA* dance eternal *DUGUDUGA DUCKADUCKA*

Dang I always really liked that one. What's your opinion on the very similar slowed down alternative in Home? (don't have a timestamp but I'm assuming you know the one)

Timestamp is 3:18. I have no problem with it there. It actually works very well there because he's not playing such an upfront fill over James. It's just when that fill is played underneath the vocal melody I find it very annoying. So annoying, I'd say it's probably the most out of place fill in any DT album except for WDaDU.

i dunno i loved MP's random fills myself 

I do sometimes. Sometimes they end up being really cool, but it's hit or miss.

[425]

i dunno i loved MP's random fills myself 

Yeah. I've written this here before, but drumming is not something that I really notice or pay attention to unless it is something I really like or dislike. Mike is the only drummer who grabs and holds my attention in a positive way for extended periods of time, and it has to partially be because of stuff like this. He's definitely my favorite drummer.

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

Yeah, almost everything MP did in DT (at least with regard to drumming) I find to be pretty fantastic. Dream Theater (with Portnoy) is pretty much the only band where I consistently noticed/appreciated the drumming.

[Sir Walrus Cauliflower]

I love MP too. Mp1 is the only dt song off the top of my head that stands out as kind of annoying drum/fill wise.

I think it's funny that people say they don't pay attention to drum parts, that's a huge majority of what I listen to in a song. Probably because I'm a drummer though.

[BlobVanDam]

Yeah, almost everything MP did in DT (at least with regard to drumming) I find to be pretty fantastic.

Likewise. I couldn't fault a single bit of drumming in Metropolis, or IaW.
I've had a lot more issues with MM's choice of drumming than MP's.

[rumborak]

I couldn't tell you a single drum part of the last three albums. Whereas I could reel off several for each MP era album.

[ASacrificedSon]

Wow, nice thread.

Just one thing I want to yell out to the world: Dream Theater is awesome!!!!!!

In all seriousness, I think A Nightmare to Remember is the most emotionally worded song by Petrucci. In terms of musically best, I'd say it would be In the Name of God.

[BlobVanDam]

Just one thing I want to yell out to the world: Dream Theater is awesome!!!!!!

Whoa man, I know this is the controversial opinion thread, but within reason!

[ASacrificedSon]

Just one thing I want to yell out to the world: Dream Theater is awesome!!!!!!

Whoa man, I know this is the controversial opinion thread, but within reason!

 

[Ben_Jamin]

I just don't understand how The Astonishing is mostly Ballads?

[pantsofeternity]

Dance of Eternity is like... it's fine I guess.  But I see it held up (even by the band) as like, a quintessential Dream Theater song.  Honestly it's the only track on SFAM I regularly skip.

[IDontNotDoThings]

Dance of Eternity is like... it's fine I guess.  But I see it held up (even by the band) as like, a quintessential Dream Theater song.  Honestly it's the only track on SFAM I regularly skip.

Yeah, & double negatives are overrated.

[Sir Walrus Cauliflower]

I couldn't tell you a single drum part of the last three albums. Whereas I could reel off several for each MP era album.

To each their own, but I can drumspeak the drum parts to most MM Era songs.
Ex: OTBoA, BITS, Outcry, BAI, TEI, TLG (Dat cymbal work), EM, TBP (ride cymbal around 3:30 is actual sex), BTV, IT, and plenty of stuff on the astonishing. I'll post those and if anyone wants me to I'll provide timestamps to the parts I love  in those songs. I just dig MM's style I guess.

[chaossystem]

8 = octave VM ? Varium ?

But it's Octav-arium not Octave Varium.

8AM would be more appropriate. or OVM.

Or just write out Octavarium - because it takes like 1 second. Octavarium.

8 = oct (like octagon)
V = varium.

You're overthinking this, Kotowboy. But I guess that's the prog thing to do!

Octavarium isn't a fun word to type out either. 8V is several times quicker, which is good when you're a lazy shit like me.

Octavarium Octavarium Octavarium.

I typed out three Octavarium and I didn't vary 'em

Octavaryum

Octaveryum

Octevereum...

It could go on and on...you just need to apply yourself...

Try harder next time.

[IDontNotDoThings]

OCTAVARIUM
OCTAVARIEM
OCTAVYRIEM
OCTAVYSIEM
OCTOVYSIEM
COTOVYSIEM
CHTOVYSIEM
CHTOVYSTEM
CHAOVYSTEM
CHAOSSYSTEM

[jsbru]

WDADU is definitely not their worst album.  SC is definitely worse, and BC&SL is probably worse.  And it would be above 6DOIT and 8VM if it weren't for the title tracks of each.

[BlobVanDam]

WDADU is most definitely their worst album by a huge margin. DT is too experienced to make an album worse even if they tried.

SC is very underrated, and it's unfair that it even gets mentioned in the same thought as WDADU, a glorified demo that didn't deserve to be released by a real record label.

[Sir Walrus Cauliflower]

Yeah, WDaDU is by far their worst album. It's the only album that I honestly don't even enjoy at all. I only listened a couple times because I felt obligated to know the material. 

[Pragmaticcircus]

WDADU is definitely not their worst album.  SC is definitely worse, and BC&SL is probably worse.  And it would be above 6DOIT and 8VM if it weren't for the title tracks of each.

I agree

[jsbru]

I only like one song on BC&SL: TCOT.  I like none on SC.  I think I've only listened to SC like three times; whereas I've listened to Awake and I&W hundreds.  I might force myself to listen to SC one more time sometime in the near future to give it one last chance for anything to grab me, but I'm too busy right now listening to the fantastic music on TA.  I just don't like it when DT does a Pantera impression overlayed with gothic-sounding synthesizers.  I like Pantera in their own right, but it's not DT's bag.

Some parts of WDADU are lame, but Only A Matter of Time is at least in my DT Top 20, and I'm very fond of Afterlife, Fortune in Lies, and Ones Who Help to Set the Sun.  And Ytse Jam is a fantastic instrumental.