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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #35 on: December 18, 2012, 05:45:46 AM »
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #36 on: December 18, 2012, 06:05:57 AM »
I&W and Awake aged terribly. I don't listen to much DT anymore but when I do, I never listen to those albums.

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #37 on: December 18, 2012, 06:06:23 AM »
-I dislike Octavarium (the song), I think it's rubbish.
-I really like The Ministry of Lost Souls.
-I don't like On the Backs of Angels.
-Status Seeker is a really good song.
-Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (the song) is overrated.
-The Count of Tuscany is a good song.
-Another Day is one of their best songs.

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #38 on: December 18, 2012, 06:20:48 AM »
-Octavarium is one of the worst album (yes,including the title track)
-SC and BC&SL are awful except for:
  -  The Ministry of Lost Souls
-ADTOE is a top 3 album, if not the best of their discography
-FII is far better than WDADU, 8V, SC and BC&SL


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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #39 on: December 18, 2012, 07:26:26 AM »
James LaBrie's "Octavarium" was better than Dream Theater's "Octavarium"
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #40 on: December 18, 2012, 07:51:19 AM »
James LaBrie's "Octavarium" was better than Dream Theater's "Octavarium"
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #41 on: December 18, 2012, 07:59:04 AM »
- Innocence Faded is without a doubt a top 10 DT song.
Agreed. It's the best moment of LaBrie and also one of my favorite Petrucci solos.

Here's one I doubt anyone agrees with, but I actually like "Day after day...". Mike was right, that part needed that heaviness, it fires me up.

I agree with all of this post. Including what you quoted.

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #42 on: December 18, 2012, 08:00:16 AM »
- FII is a VERY GOOD album.
- WDADU is the worst DT album, though Ytse Jam is musical perfection, and surely gets on my top 50
- DT makes you want to listen another musical styles.
- On the Backs of Angels is the best ADTOE song.
- 6DOIT and I&W are at the same level.
- Systematic Chaos is very good if you take out Prophets of War and Ministry of Lost Souls.
- The Best of Times is BORING.
- The first 4 seconds of Beyond This Life are annoying.


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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #43 on: December 18, 2012, 08:09:36 AM »
Quoting for agreement:

I Walk Beside You is one of the best songs on Octavarium.
- Falling into Infinity is a top 5 DT album.
Scenes is a great album , but the storyline is a little corny. 

M:2000 DVD is an absolute classic concert , but the concept footage leaves a bit to be desired. They should have used more stills instead of the footage.
Awake is their best album
Lie is awesome.

The sound clips in Home get on my nerves.
-I really like The Ministry of Lost Souls.

However, I don't really consider half of these controversial.
Also, lol @ the Score comment. I love the fact that it's just that good so people can't shut up about the fact how various parts are overdubbed :lol

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #44 on: December 18, 2012, 08:31:47 AM »
You Not Me and Burning My Soul are not bad songs.

Anna Lee and This Is the Life are two of the most beautiful DT songs.

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #45 on: December 18, 2012, 08:39:59 AM »
The LATM version of The Killing Hand is a top 5 song.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #46 on: December 18, 2012, 08:42:48 AM »
ADTOE is very overated.

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #47 on: December 18, 2012, 08:58:52 AM »
The Killing Hand is a top 15 song
Metropolis is horribly overrated.
The Silent Man is the third best song on Awake.
I love Take Away My Pain and Just Let Me Breathe
Beyond This Life is the best song by DT.
Never was a huge fan of Finally Free
The Dance Of Eternity is the best instrumental by DT.
The Spirit Carries On is generic.
Misunderstood has an annoying outro.
Goodnight Kiss sucks.
Endless Sacrifice is the a top 5 song.
Stream Of Consciousness is boring.
Sacrificed Sons is the best song on Octavarium.
I love Constant Motion.
Repentance is awesome.
Build Me Up,Break Me Down is the worst song by DT.
Outcry is the best song on the album.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #48 on: December 18, 2012, 09:07:25 AM »
- I find many fan favourites to be very overrated, like Octavarium, Scarred, Blind Faith, Lines In The Sand, and Trial Of Tears.
- Repentance and The Ministry Of Lost Souls bores me to tears.
- Another Day is a Top 3 DT song.
- I love both Take Away My Pain and The Best Of Times.
- Status Seeker is great.
- I Walk Beside You is one of the few highlights on that album.

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #49 on: December 18, 2012, 09:13:48 AM »
- FII is better than SFAM, even though the latter is more consistent.
- Every part (except maybe for Overture) of 6DOIT is great, but they don't work that well together. Also, Goodnight Kiss is the best them.
- TMOLS rules, as does Prophets of War.
- No song from Awake, SDOIT, Scenes or I&W would make my Top 5 DT songs.
- Octavarium (the song) is overrated, but still good. Sacrificed Sons is superior in every sense, and my favourite off of the album.
- TGP isn't that great. Actually, it's the second worts song of the 12SS, with only TDS being less enjoyable.

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #50 on: December 18, 2012, 09:16:33 AM »
The Great Debate is a top 10 DT song.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #51 on: December 18, 2012, 09:35:39 AM »
I honestly think Scarred is one of they worst DT songs ever.

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #52 on: December 18, 2012, 09:48:18 AM »
- Cover My Eyes is a great song.
- So is Where Are You Now
- So is The Way It Used To Be
- New Millennium is crappy after the first 1,5 minute
- Train Of Thought is a bad album
- Octavarium is worse
Quoting for agreement:
I Walk Beside You is one of the best songs on Octavarium.
- Falling into Infinity is a top 5 DT album.
Scenes is a great album , but the storyline is a little corny. 

M:2000 DVD is an absolute classic concert , but the concept footage leaves a bit to be desired. They should have used more stills instead of the footage.
The sound clips in Home get on my nerves.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #53 on: December 18, 2012, 09:54:19 AM »
My only controversial opinions of DT are:

1) The Greatest Hits cover art is crap, in my opinion.  Yes, I know it was meant to be a joke.  But DT is a classy band and deserved to put out a classy greatest hits album.  Not an album with a sarcastic title and an illustration of a bird shitting.

2) It's unfortunate that Portnoy chose to trash Kevin Moore in the OSI chapter of the "Lifting Shadows" book and that the DT guys allowed his unclassy comments to be published in the book. 
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #54 on: December 18, 2012, 09:56:00 AM »
My only controversial opinions of DT are:

1) The Greatest Hits cover art is crap, in my opinion.  Yes, I know it was meant to be a joke.  But DT is a classy band and deserved to put out a classy greatest hits album.  Not an album with a sarcastic title and an illustration of a bird shitting.

2) It's unfortunate that Portnoy chose to trash Kevin Moore in the OSI chapter of the "Lifting Shadows" book and that the DT guys allowed his unclassy comments to be published in the book.

I doubt either of those are controversial opinions.

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #55 on: December 18, 2012, 10:00:18 AM »
Every song could use more ragtime.

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #56 on: December 18, 2012, 10:01:35 AM »
It's unfortunate that Portnoy chose to trash Kevin Moore in the OSI chapter of the "Lifting Shadows" book and that the DT guys allowed his unclassy comments to be published in the book. 

That bugs me too but I don't know if they had a talk about this before publishing it and even they talked I don't think MP had cared what they said if others seemed negative about this chapter.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #57 on: December 18, 2012, 10:17:23 AM »
The not-so subtle dig at Moore in the foreword of the book is much more offensive and unnecessary.

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #58 on: December 18, 2012, 10:33:37 AM »
off topic:
-i dont have the book (but hope to with the next release). what was in the foreward?

on topic:
-i can't stand the trackorder of SC. ITPoE part 2 should've opened and TMOLS should've closed (altho the lyrics of the latter are most cringeworthy). ITPoE part 1 shouldn't have been included.
-anna lee and the answer lies within are songs i can't skip over fast enough.
-i listened to raw dog once. once.
-the shattered fortress is probably the worst DT song ever.
-it's hard to grasp that the best of times and the change of seasons were penned by the same guy from a lyrical depth standpoint.

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #59 on: December 18, 2012, 10:37:23 AM »
- BC&SL and SC are both better than ADToE

- Build Me Up Break Me Down is the worst song by DT since You Not Me

- Octavarium is DT's second worst album (Falling Into Infinity being the worst)

- SDoIT is boring and overrated (the song)

- The Glass Prison is ridiculously overrated on this forum and it drags on way too long.

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #60 on: December 18, 2012, 10:43:03 AM »
The Great Debate doesn't have enough sound clips.
Repentance is actually too short.
The Shattered Fortress is good on it's own.
Disappear has a happier ending than Mass Effect 3.
Systematic Chaos has too much soloing.
DT isn't influenced by Rush enough.
They also need to write a few more Muse and Tool songs.
Myung is too loud in the mix on most of their songs BUMBMD had it just right.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #61 on: December 18, 2012, 10:58:12 AM »
A few more to my list:
-I find TSCO pretty overrated and cheesy
-Musically Disappear isn't that sad, only the piano intro is notably dark IMO
-I dislike Where Are You Now? with a passion, I'd rather listen to You Not Me, Never Enough or Prophets of War than that song (and that says something!)
-Status Seeker is great
-The Best of Times is too long and boring and the solo is overrated

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #62 on: December 18, 2012, 11:04:45 AM »
I think the intro guitar solo for " The Spirit Carries On" from the M2000 DVD is embarrassingly tasteless.

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« Reply #63 on: December 18, 2012, 11:06:34 AM »
Some more:

Ytse Jam is easily the best DT instrumental. Stream of Consciousness is easily the worst--it probably drags more than any other DT song.
Another Day and Pull Me Under are better than Metropolis.
Goodnight Kiss is the best section of SDOIT the song. The song loses momentum once Solitary Shell starts.
Peruvian Skies and Anna Lee are pretty damn awesome. The former's instrumental section is one of DT's best.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #64 on: December 18, 2012, 11:20:23 AM »
The Great Debate doesn't have enough sound clips.
Repentance is actually too short.
The Shattered Fortress is good on it's own.
Disappear has a happier ending than Mass Effect 3.
Systematic Chaos has too much soloing.
DT isn't influenced by Rush enough.
They also need to write a few more Muse and Tool songs.
Myung is too loud in the mix on most of there songs BUMBMD had it just right.
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« Reply #65 on: December 18, 2012, 11:22:38 AM »
Ah! also:

- Disappear and The Great Debate are the best songs of SDOIT (1&2)
- Solitary Shell is not a good song (heresy)
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #66 on: December 18, 2012, 11:37:02 AM »
Okay, let's try and toss some of my own:

- JP's heaviest riffs are growing more boring, slowly but surely, over time.
- So do JR's orchestral and "dark" patches.
- If any of current DT members become unable to participate in DT anymore, I'd rather have them split up than continue with the band. I would still support them as always, but the current lineup is what DT should be in this day and age, and no other one.
- It's a great thing Kevin left DT.
- There's nothing wrong with 3-minute-instrumental sections.
- Pull Me Under IS overrated among casual fans, and very underrated among us.
- There's nothing wrong with either of the SDOIT discs, and I wouldn't have them any other way.
- I like the fact TSCO is on another live DVD, and I hope it will be on the next tour cycle as well so I could experience it live.

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #67 on: December 18, 2012, 11:40:05 AM »
The album version of Take Away My Pain is the better version.

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #68 on: December 18, 2012, 12:02:36 PM »

- No song from Awake, SDOIT, Scenes or I&W would make my Top 5 DT songs.


Holy shit. Those are my 4 favorite albums LOL.

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #69 on: December 18, 2012, 12:10:36 PM »
They're all great albums, sure, and SDOIT, I&W and Awake are my favourite, but they don't have any individual tracks that I can rank higher than the highs of DT's other, less consistent albums.
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