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Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« on: December 17, 2012, 08:28:25 PM »
I thought this might be an interesting topic-- thinking of any thoughts you have on DT songs or albums that you think will spark mass debate and not sit well with the general crowd.

For me, I have never liked the Glass Prison much at all, and it probably doesn't rank in the top 40 for me. I think Octavarium (the song) is leagues above A Change of Seasons. I think Octavarium is a fantastic album (way better than Awake). I also love the Shattered Fortress, The Dark Eternal Night, This is the Life, and Far From Heaven. And probably the major one is that Awake is one of my least favorite DT albums. It has  a couple good songs, but most of it is bland and a drag to sit through. The songs on Awake are by far my least listened to DT songs, sans WDaDU.

Forgive me if a thread like this has already been created, but otherwise I think this should be pretty interesting. Haters gonna hate.

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2012, 08:29:41 PM »
Metropolis is one of the weaker tracks on I&W.

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2012, 08:32:04 PM »
I agree that Octavarium is leagues above A Change Of Seasons. :tup

I also think that SFAM, while a good album, is horribly overrated.

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2012, 08:34:09 PM »
I Walk Beside You is one of the best songs on Octavarium.

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2012, 08:41:40 PM »
I Walk Beside You is one of the best songs on Octavarium.

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2012, 08:51:30 PM »
I Walk Beside You is one of the best songs on Octavarium.

Looking over my top 50, it looks like it's 2nd best.

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« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2012, 08:52:50 PM »
I Walk Beside You is one of the best songs on Octavarium.

YES.
I think I Walk Beside You is my least favorite Octavarium song (I don't get why people don't like Never Enough, even if it is Musey). But I do like The Answer Lies Within a lot, and I think it's their best done poppy song.

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2012, 08:59:14 PM »
- In The Name of God is bad.
- Innocence Faded is without a doubt a top 10 DT song.
- So is The Great Debate.
- DT needs a return to form and stop this stream of bad albums since SDOIT.
- Falling into Infinity is a top 5 DT album.
- The majority of DT's songs get boring when you've heard them a lot.

That enough for you? Yes, I specifically pointed them out as facts, though they're all my opinions.
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« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2012, 09:00:38 PM »
- In The Name of God is bad.
- Innocence Faded is without a doubt a top 10 DT song.
- So is The Great Debate.
- DT needs a return to form and stop this stream of bad albums since SDOIT.
- Falling into Infinity is a top 5 DT album.
- The majority of DT's songs get boring when you've heard them a lot.

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« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2012, 09:01:52 PM »
Constant Motion and Raw Dog are fucking awesome songs.

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« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2012, 09:04:28 PM »
Constant Motion and Raw Dog are fucking awesome songs.

bring it

I can't stand Constant Motion, it doesn't even come close to DT par for me. Interestingly enough, I don't like metal all too much, but Raw Dog really gets my motor running. I love the weird scales and chords they use, and the use of harpejji in particular. They should've released it as a single or something.

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« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2012, 09:05:26 PM »
SDOIT, the song, is long/tiresome and kind of a bore.
Octavarium is an all around disappointment, with even the title team unworthy of a place in my top 10.
The count of Tuscany is goofy, but its also a hell of a lot better than bother of the aforementioned epics.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2012, 09:06:28 PM »
Constant Motion and Raw Dog are fucking awesome songs.

bring it

Constant Motion is great. :tup I'm not really a fan of Raw Dog, but it's definitely nowhere near as bad as the reputation it seems to have here. It's a bit repetitive, but not bad.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2012, 09:13:32 PM »
- So is The Great Debate. (Top 10)
- The majority of DT's songs get boring when you've heard them a lot.

These. I haven't listened to a full DT album in about 8 months.

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« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2012, 09:15:05 PM »
- So is The Great Debate. (Top 10)
- The majority of DT's songs get boring when you've heard them a lot.

These. I haven't listened to a full DT album in about 8 months.

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« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2012, 09:25:23 PM »
Constant Motion and Raw Dog are fucking awesome songs.

bring it
Yep, both.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2012, 09:27:48 PM »
Scenes is a great album , but the storyline is a little corny. I also have trouble sometimes relating to the spiritual afterlife theme of the album.   

M:2000 DVD is an absolute classic concert , but the concept footage leaves a bit to be desired. They should have used more stills instead of the footage.

On the ToT tour in San Francisco , "Finally Free" was arguably a set - eater. The place would have gone crazy if they'd have done "Home" or something else in that space. Still , I liked their rotating setlist policy from the time.

There are other performances edited in on certain songs for the purpose of repair work on various Ytsejam Bootleg releases. I challenge anybody to watch WHen Dream and Day Reunite and not notice repair work sticking out like a sore thumb. On Bucharest 2002 their is a funny edit on LITS. It's not on the original bootleg.

Alot of the vocals on SCORE are from a studio in Canada.

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« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2012, 09:28:50 PM »
Alot of the vocals on SCORE are from a studio in Canada.

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« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2012, 09:29:46 PM »
Alot of the vocals on SCORE are from a studio in Canada.
Um...no? And lol that's not even an opinion, that's just a false fact.
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« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2012, 09:34:34 PM »
I hope this thread won't turn into Score's vocals were dubbed or not debate. It's really getting annoying. James himself confirmed that, expect some small touches vocals were not dubbed on Score. Any further debate about this matter is just baseless and false.
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« Reply #20 on: December 17, 2012, 09:45:34 PM »
Awake is their best album
When Dream and Day Unite is awesome
Falling Into Infinity is a top 4 album
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #21 on: December 17, 2012, 09:47:20 PM »
This Dying Soul is amazing.

I dunno, that's all I can think of, and that's not even that "controversial".

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« Reply #22 on: December 17, 2012, 09:54:26 PM »
ACOS is awful and I just can't listen to it.  8vm is even worse.  Not a good song on it.  And don't get me started on TOT and SC.  Let's just forget they even exist.  Not hard, co sidering howbad they are. 

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« Reply #23 on: December 17, 2012, 10:36:02 PM »
The Great Debate is top 20 for me.

FII is by far the worst sounding album despite it's good songs it's even worse than SC excluding Anna Lee and Hell's Kitchen.

Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence is a full song. Don't care what anyone says.

Lie on Once In a LIVEtime is awful and it is by far the worst version of the song I have ever heard.

The Dark Eternal Night off Chaos in Motion is good.

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« Reply #24 on: December 17, 2012, 10:47:52 PM »
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence is a full song. Don't care what anyone says.

That's not even an opinion, it's a fact. It's presented as one on Score, and MP said explicitly that it is a song. The correct term isn't song, though when people say "song", they often mean "piece" which is correct. It would fall closer to a symphony or suite if I'm not mistaken.

Ontopic, The Great Debate is top 20. ADTOE is in my top 3. You Not Me is actually kind of enjoyable, despite it being one of my least favourite DT songs.

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« Reply #25 on: December 17, 2012, 11:10:23 PM »
Prophets of War is amazing. I blast it when it comes on when I'm driving. Hell I blast all of SC
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« Reply #26 on: December 17, 2012, 11:22:18 PM »
Here's a bunch of really controversial ones.

JP's best solo is the outro of The Best of Times, which is a top 10 DT song along with The Ministry of Lost Souls.
ADTOE was a step back for the band in terms of both arrangements and memorability of songs. In fact, BMUBMD is the most memorable track on the album (not the best, just the most memorable).
Chris Collins was better than Charlie Dominici.
Burning My Soul '96 was better than the split-song final product.
SC and ToT are in the top half of DT albums, and better than Awake and SDOIT.
Never Enough is the second-best song on Octavarium.
In The Presence of Enemies Part 2 is significantly better than Part 1. The Slaughter of the Damned is the best part of the song.
The LATM version of The Killing Hand is a top 5 song.
Portnoy's backing vocals added more to DT than they detracted.
The Beautiful Agony section is the worst part of A Nightmare To Remember.
The Lost Not Forgotten tickle section is annoying.

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« Reply #27 on: December 18, 2012, 12:13:09 AM »
You Not Me isn't bad.
FII is Dream Theater's 4th best album.
The Answer Lies Within and I Walk Beside You are the best songs on Octavarium.
When Dream and Day Unite is a good album.
Voices is my second least favorite song on Awake.
Lie is awesome.
Pull Me Under is actually underrated among DT fans.
SDOIT is overrated.
The sound clips in Home get on my nerves.
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« Reply #28 on: December 18, 2012, 01:54:30 AM »
- Innocence Faded is without a doubt a top 10 DT song.
Agreed. It's the best moment of LaBrie and also one of my favorite Petrucci solos.

Here's one I doubt anyone agrees with, but I actually like "Day after day...". Mike was right, that part needed that heaviness, it fires me up.


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« Reply #29 on: December 18, 2012, 02:04:17 AM »
In The Presence of Enemies Part 2 is significantly better than Part 1. The Slaughter of the Damned is the best part of the song.
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« Reply #30 on: December 18, 2012, 02:39:45 AM »
-Octavarium and Six Degrees are the most overrated DT songs, I even have trouble calling the latter a song
-WDADU > Degrees-BC&SL era albums and FII
-ADTOE > Scenes
-The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun is one of the best DT songs ever
-Forsaken is actually good and probably the best song on SC
-Honor Thy Father is a good song
-Burning My Soul isn't half as bad as people say it is, it beats Anna Lee and New Millennium easily

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« Reply #31 on: December 18, 2012, 04:36:24 AM »
-Octavarium and Six Degrees are the most overrated DT songs

- Innocence Faded is without a doubt a top 10 DT song.

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-Never Enough is the best song on Octavarium
-Prophets of War is great
-Repentance is not too long
-WDADU is a top 5 album
-As I Am is rubbish
-Falling Into Infinity is a top 5 album as well
-Burning My Soul is very good, and so is You Not Me
-Status Seeker is a top 25 song
-A Dramatic Turn of Events isn't very consistent, though it's still massively better than BC&SL
-The Dance of Eternity becomes boring after three and half minutes
-Lie is excellent

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« Reply #32 on: December 18, 2012, 04:55:05 AM »
-A Dramatic Turn of Events isn't very consistent, though it's still massively better than BC&SL
I'd be surprised if this were a controversial opinion. The ballads on ADTOE are way too cheesy, the only redeeming value about them -for me- is Jordan's Emerson-like solo on Beneath the Surface. They way they mixed the drums isn't consistent either and I'm also not too fond of James' performance, especially in the choruses, but that's an isolated complaint, as far I as know. Still a masterpiece, though. 


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« Reply #33 on: December 18, 2012, 05:06:13 AM »
The Ministry of lost souls is my 2nd favorite Dream Theater song.

That might be it.  :smiley:

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« Reply #34 on: December 18, 2012, 05:08:14 AM »
It is received very positively here. I don't really care about This Is the Life or Beneath the Surface. And BMUBMD is the worst DT song ever, period.

The only "Whoa!"-song is OTBOA. Breaking All Illusions has though some brilliant moments, as does Bridges in the Sky, and Outcry has some very emotional parts. I wish the instrumental wouldn't have been The Dance of Eternity 2.
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