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Re: Amendment 64 Passes: Colorado Legalizes Marijuana For Recreational Use
« Reply #840 on: June 23, 2017, 11:20:56 AM »
And in the "go-figure" category, the City of Dallas recently directed Johnny to just issue a summons for possession rather than arresting people. Dopers celebrated. The result is actually a disaster, though. Cops don't like arresting people for a roach in the ashtray. It's a pain in the ass for little reward. As a white guy with no record they would almost certainly just pocket my dope and send me on my way. And in Texas this applies to anything less than a QP. Now that they can write summonses that discretion goes right out the window. Something that cops were not likely to do has now become a sure-fire class A misdemeanor with a fine, community service and a shit-ton of probation.
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Re: Amendment 64 Passes: Colorado Legalizes Marijuana For Recreational Use
« Reply #841 on: June 23, 2017, 11:54:45 AM »
I'm not so sure Dallas finds those results to be a disaster.  Not that I agree with it, but I guess they are making money off it now whereas before they were not.

Also, just stumbled upon this
https://www.yahoo.com/news/high-hopes-ride-marijuana-painkillers-amid-opioid-crisis-142642440--finance.html
Which talks about synthetic CBD drugs.

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« Reply #842 on: June 23, 2017, 12:05:51 PM »
I always thought shipping seeds was kind of a grey area with regards to legality.

A while back I ordered 20 from Amsterdam. The first batch never arrived, so the company shipped again. The second batch made it, but all 20 seeds were completely destroyed (intentionally smashed with something). I suspect it was someone at customs who just didn't want to do paperwork. Batch 3 arrived intact (I only had to pay once). Months later, I got a letter from customs for the first batch saying that they had been intercepted. I still have the letter. It said nothing about cannabis, which was a relief. I was really nervous initially. I believe the wording was something like "the shipment of seeds from unknown origin". I'm assuming that's in place to 1) stop drugs and 2) prevent invasive species of plants from making their way into US ecosystems.
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I'm no expert here, but I think the problem is that your "No. 2" in the last sentence is just as, if not more important, than the "cannabis" aspect of it.   Hell, our state, you can't technically bring in FIREWOOD from out of state, let alone seeds from halfway across the planet. 

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« Reply #843 on: June 23, 2017, 12:39:47 PM »
Hell, our state, you can't technically bring in FIREWOOD from out of state, let alone seeds from halfway across the planet.

 :rollin I recall seeing signs about that when I drove through on my way to Boston earlier this year. 

Speaking of Boston, I think by next year legal shops will be opening up in Massachusetts.  There will be lots crossing the border I can imagine.  I know I will have to make a trip up to check it out, also really loving the city of Boston helps too.

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Re: Amendment 64 Passes: Colorado Legalizes Marijuana For Recreational Use
« Reply #844 on: June 23, 2017, 12:43:15 PM »
Hell, our state, you can't technically bring in FIREWOOD from out of state, let alone seeds from halfway across the planet.

 :rollin I recall seeing signs about that when I drove through on my way to Boston earlier this year. 

Speaking of Boston, I think by next year legal shops will be opening up in Massachusetts.  There will be lots crossing the border I can imagine.  I know I will have to make a trip up to check it out, also really loving the city of Boston helps too.

The firewood thing is all thanks to that emerald ash borer. Those fuckers wreaked havoc on CT.

Massachusetts is dragging their feet hard on the legalization front. After voting to legalize it, legislators asked for a 6 month delay in order to "evaluate all options and do it right". I think the six month mark was last week and they haven't even fully formed the committee to oversee the process yet. It's a shit show so far. I honestly wouldn't bank on dispensaries being open next year.

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Re: Amendment 64 Passes: Colorado Legalizes Marijuana For Recreational Use
« Reply #845 on: June 23, 2017, 12:51:52 PM »
Ah, I haven't followed that closely, just assumed it would be a full year like the rest of the states were (I think). 

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Re: Amendment 64 Passes: Colorado Legalizes Marijuana For Recreational Use
« Reply #846 on: July 11, 2017, 12:08:37 PM »
http://www.denverpost.com/2017/07/09/colorado-schools-get-300-million-boost-from-pot-sales/

$300M generated through taxes going directly to Colorado's school systems by 2020.

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Re: Amendment 64 Passes: Colorado Legalizes Marijuana For Recreational Use
« Reply #847 on: July 11, 2017, 12:11:27 PM »
 :metal

Also sales are open in Nevada.  Now I need to go back to Vegas.... I see Incubus has a week long stay at the Hard Rock....

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Re: Amendment 64 Passes: Colorado Legalizes Marijuana For Recreational Use
« Reply #848 on: July 11, 2017, 12:29:40 PM »
:metal

Also sales are open in Nevada.  Now I need to go back to Vegas.... I see Incubus has a week long stay at the Hard Rock....

 :lol

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/07/11/nevada-marijuana-supply-running-low-state-emergency-declared-governor-says.html

Nevada marijuana supply running low, state of emergency declared, governor says



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Re: Amendment 64 Passes: Colorado Legalizes Marijuana For Recreational Use
« Reply #850 on: August 02, 2017, 06:16:42 AM »
The fact that it's still a schedule 1 narcotic blows my mind, and the fact that we have an attorney general who wants to increase the crack down on it shameful.

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« Reply #851 on: August 02, 2017, 06:53:18 AM »
The fact that it's still a schedule 1 narcotic blows my mind, and the fact that we have an attorney general who wants to increase the crack down on it shameful.

Yup.

And this new attempt at legislation won't go far sadly.  It needs to be done, but I don't see our politicians acting on it.

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« Reply #852 on: August 02, 2017, 08:10:49 AM »
It's a bad play because of its overreach. In this climate they might well be able to reschedule marijuana. Sentiment is strong and congress isn't afraid to tell Sessions to fuck off. Granting the states rights to sue the DoJ, prevent deportations, and provide a mechanism for re-sentencing are all non-starters. They might as well attach a rider to provide funding for NAMBLA while they're at it.
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« Reply #853 on: August 02, 2017, 08:48:33 AM »
Is it just me, or is it CRYSTAL clear that BOTH PARTIES are about as out of touch with the people as a 65-year-old grandma is from her 16-year-old granddaughter.

Holy fuck; how can you be THAT out of synch with the people you represent? 

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« Reply #854 on: August 02, 2017, 09:09:37 AM »
Holy fuck; how can you be THAT out of synch with the people you represent?

Because it's not about the lobbyists, not the people, that they represent.

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« Reply #855 on: August 02, 2017, 09:26:44 AM »
Holy fuck; how can you be THAT out of synch with the people you represent?

Because it's not about the lobbyists, not the people, that they represent.

No, I get that; but it can't JUST be the lobbyists.   Some of this is on the politicians.

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« Reply #856 on: August 13, 2017, 10:38:26 AM »
http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/topics/news/san-diego-das-prosecution-of-pot-attorney-has-sent-chills-through-the-legal-community/?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark

Wasn't sure where to put this, but this thread looked like the best spot to me. I know that there's some lawyers in here, and I was curious to see what their opinions (or anyone's, really) would be.
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Re: Amendment 64 Passes: Colorado Legalizes Marijuana For Recreational Use
« Reply #857 on: August 24, 2017, 07:45:22 AM »
https://www.thestreet.com/amp/story/14280676/7/here-are-the-next-6-states-likely-to-legalize-recreational-use-of-marijuana.html

Nice to see NJ as #2.  I've heard from many people that once Christie is out of office, this will pass, but I haven't seen much in writing about it.  I think I know who I am voting for next election in NJ.

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« Reply #858 on: August 24, 2017, 07:58:40 AM »
https://www.thestreet.com/amp/story/14280676/7/here-are-the-next-6-states-likely-to-legalize-recreational-use-of-marijuana.html

Nice to see NJ as #2.  I've heard from many people that once Christie is out of office, this will pass, but I haven't seen much in writing about it.  I think I know who I am voting for next election in NJ.

At least CT is on the list.   We should have done it years ago.  Our state is in budget turmoil; they just took something like a billion dollars from schools (our Guvnah, who I like, even though he is a Democrat with national aspirations, playing games with the money to spark action that he cannot take himself, because he's in the pocket of the liquor lobby) and proposed raising the sales tax to 6.83%.   We're a blue state, surrounded by blue-er states... if it can't pass in CT, it can't really pass anywhere, in my opinion. 

(At least Malloy/Dem State Reps did the right thing and raised the sales tax and not the income tax.  For our state, consumption is a better source of revenue than from the top line, because a) much of the income here is transient, i.e. out of state, and b) it captures that part of the population that isn't pulling it's weight for whatever reason on the income tax side, and there are plenty of people in that boat). 

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Re: Amendment 64 Passes: Colorado Legalizes Marijuana For Recreational Use
« Reply #859 on: September 29, 2017, 09:43:03 AM »
July marijuana sales in Nevada generate $3.68 million in tax revenue

http://www.ktnv.com/news/marijuana/first-month-of-recreational-marijuana-sales-in-nevada-help-generate-368-million-in-tax-revenue?google_editors_picks=true

That total includes tax revenue from both medical and adult-use marijuana and is from two different taxes.
 
The 15 percent wholesale tax, which is paid by both medical and recreational cultivators, brought in $974,060 in July. The revenue goes to Nevada schools, via the distributive school account, after administrative costs for the department and local governments. The 15 percent wholesale tax is projected to bring in $56.2 million over the next two years.


Connecticut is cutting tens of millions of dollars from CT schools because we can't generate the revenue.

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« Reply #860 on: September 29, 2017, 09:52:26 AM »
Chino, it is baffling.  Profoundly baffling.   Malloy is a lame-duck, liberal Democrat governor, with national aspirations.  If there ever was a situation ripe to make a statement - legalization of weed - this is it.  I've been told the liquor lobby is the stumbling block, but I cannot for the life of me believe that it is THAT strong in our state to let the state sink as a result. 

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« Reply #861 on: September 29, 2017, 09:57:11 AM »
Chino, it is baffling.  Profoundly baffling.   Malloy is a lame-duck, liberal Democrat governor, with national aspirations.  If there ever was a situation ripe to make a statement - legalization of weed - this is it.  I've been told the liquor lobby is the stumbling block, but I cannot for the life of me believe that it is THAT strong in our state to let the state sink as a result.

Not to mention the temporary boost we'd get from tourism. People from NY, RI, MA, VT, NH, and ME would be flocking our way in droves. It's truly unbelievable. I too have a read that a lot of it is the alcohol industry. Strangely low, it seems to be the distribution network doing the brunt of the lobbying and not the alcohol manufacturers themselves. The heroin card is getting played a lot as well. Seeing things like "we already have one drug crisis going on and now you want to make another one legal to purchase?" really irritates me.

If there was every a guaranteed tax hail mary for this state (not claiming it would solve everything) that the citizens would be happy to pay, this is it.

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Re: Amendment 64 Passes: Colorado Legalizes Marijuana For Recreational Use
« Reply #862 on: September 29, 2017, 10:10:58 AM »
Not sure Connecticut would get that big of a tourist boost, being that MA and ME have already legalized and I don't think Connecticut is a better destination than any of the western legalized states, but it would certainly bring some from NY/PA/NJ. I know I want to visit Boston once shops open there and Connecticut is closer (although I think I'd still rather go to Boston than any other city in Connecticut).

However, just the taxes alone from in state would be a huge boost and I'm surprised that with a liberal governor they aren't looking that direction.  It's well known in NJ it is our conservative governor that wants nothing to do with it while the next liberal runner for office is making it part of their campaign.  I am likely to vote democrat in my local election for this reason alone.

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Re: Amendment 64 Passes: Colorado Legalizes Marijuana For Recreational Use
« Reply #863 on: September 29, 2017, 10:19:29 AM »
That's why I said temporary. And while MA has legalized it, they are nowhere near opening a retail outlet any time soon.

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« Reply #864 on: September 29, 2017, 10:19:54 AM »
The things Illinois could do if they just legalized it... all that tax revenue... how about doing that instead of raising my income tax again like they just did this summer

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« Reply #865 on: September 29, 2017, 12:10:37 PM »
Not sure Connecticut would get that big of a tourist boost, being that MA and ME have already legalized and I don't think Connecticut is a better destination than any of the western legalized states, but it would certainly bring some from NY/PA/NJ. I know I want to visit Boston once shops open there and Connecticut is closer (although I think I'd still rather go to Boston than any other city in Connecticut).

However, just the taxes alone from in state would be a huge boost and I'm surprised that with a liberal governor they aren't looking that direction.  It's well known in NJ it is our conservative governor that wants nothing to do with it while the next liberal runner for office is making it part of their campaign.  I am likely to vote democrat in my local election for this reason alone.

You put a retail outlet down on Rte. 2 or 395 - read:  five minutes from the two casinos we have - and no one would question whether there would be "tourism".  We get busses all the fucking time from as far as Jersey (which has its OWN casinos, you might remember) going to Mohegan Sun and Foxwoods.   

Shep Gordon - Alice Cooper fame - once said that all business is simple:  have a product and create demand for that product.   Shep should come to CT with weed. 

As for the heroin problem argument, that doesn't make sense to me, given the facts on the ground.  Heroin is dirt cheap here, and it's killing people (we're getting a lot of the fentanyl-laced stuff).   Sell legal, safe weed cheaply, and to the extent they are competing vices (I don't think they are, frankly) people will at least stop killing themselves by accident.

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« Reply #866 on: September 29, 2017, 12:41:48 PM »


Shep Gordon - Alice Cooper fame - once said that all business is simple:  have a product and create demand for that product.   Shep should come to CT with weed. 

I'm pretty sure Shep has already been to CT with weed. :lol
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Re: Amendment 64 Passes: Colorado Legalizes Marijuana For Recreational Use
« Reply #867 on: September 29, 2017, 12:42:51 PM »
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Re: Amendment 64 Passes: Colorado Legalizes Marijuana For Recreational Use
« Reply #868 on: November 08, 2017, 09:06:38 AM »
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tomangell/2017/11/08/marijuana-won-tuesdays-election/#72f98109950b

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New Jersey is poised to potentially become the first state to allow legal recreational marijuana sales with an act of its legislature, as opposed to by voters through a ballot measure.

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« Reply #869 on: November 08, 2017, 03:05:43 PM »
There's some delicious irony in that being Christie's state.

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« Reply #870 on: November 09, 2017, 07:45:54 AM »
I read earlier that he's looking to do this in his first 100 days. Go Jersey!

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« Reply #871 on: November 09, 2017, 08:11:52 AM »
 Kevin Smith is going to smoke himself to death now.

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« Reply #872 on: November 09, 2017, 08:27:17 AM »
Kevin Smith is going to smoke himself to death now.

Does he still live in NJ?  He grew up near me, all his films have scenes from my area, but I thought he moved to Hollywood.

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« Reply #873 on: November 09, 2017, 12:26:09 PM »
Kevin Smith is going to smoke himself to death now.

Does he still live in NJ?  He grew up near me, all his films have scenes from my area, but I thought he moved to Hollywood.

Probably did, I'm not sure. Regardless, you think they have enough time to change the plot of the Jay & Silent Bob sequel to include legal Jersey weed? How are J&SB supposed to make a living now?  :lol

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« Reply #874 on: November 09, 2017, 12:28:38 PM »
Kevin Smith is going to smoke himself to death now.

Does he still live in NJ?  He grew up near me, all his films have scenes from my area, but I thought he moved to Hollywood.

Probably did, I'm not sure. Regardless, you think they have enough time to change the plot of the Jay & Silent Bob sequel to include legal Jersey weed? How are J&SB supposed to make a living now?  :lol

 :lol One of my all time favorite movies, that would make for a good plot though, a weed dealer who lost his business to legalization