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« Reply #70 on: November 08, 2012, 08:56:04 AM »
The US doesn't give a damn what the UN says or wants if it's not something already in our interests.  It needs no justification other than the one it's already been using, which is that it's a violation of federal law.

Well, that used to be the rationale, and it worked in a world where the US was by the far the biggest economically functioning country. But now that the EU and China are becoming equally sized players, it might occur to the US at some point that doing stuff together is a helluva lot cheaper, loses fewer lives on your sides, and comes with far more legitimacy internationally.
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« Reply #71 on: November 08, 2012, 11:19:10 AM »
And the most likely reason that's part of the UN constitution or whatnot is because of the US government anyways.

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« Reply #72 on: November 08, 2012, 03:36:34 PM »
I know hemp was made illegal because of some corporate thing. I think it was like that twine rope producers were concerned about the fact that rope could be produced more cheaply from hemp, so they lobbied to have all hemp banned on drug usage grounds or something.
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« Reply #73 on: November 08, 2012, 03:42:24 PM »

I'm not sure if that's really the case or not, although it was certainly a useful tactic in the 30's.  Again, it was the "getting high" part that troubled people.  Convincing America that all of our white women would get stoned and start banging negroes was just a scare tactic.

Crack, on the other hand, was entirely racially motivated.  Or probably more accurately, driven by the desire to fill our new for-profit prisons with less desirable citizens.  America wanted convicts, and affluent coke users are better citizens than poor crackheads.

I thought it was because of influx of black jazz musicians and their heavy using of it. The government didn't want white people adopting an element of black culture.

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« Reply #74 on: November 08, 2012, 04:00:47 PM »
White folk were smoking dope long before there were any fashionably cool black dudes, and it was just as terrifying to the mainstream public.  It was popping up in state laws in the mid 1800's, much like most of your opiates.  In fact, it was probably the experience with heroin and opium that spooked people about grass so much.  They were seeing hash bars open up much like the opium dens.

The thing about black folk didn't show up until the 30's, and part of the problem was the notion that it made women overly sexual (if only), something they already thought about black dudes.  Spooky combination in a society that's already insecure about such things. 
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« Reply #75 on: November 11, 2012, 01:21:46 AM »
While I don't really care about marijuana being legal, I do wonder if this is the gateway drug for the legality of much more dangerous substances.
1) It's not a gateway drug to begin with.
2) Although the example is on a much smaller scale than the US, Portugal had extremely bad rates of drug abuse that were turned around in the years after they legalized everything and started spending all that "drug war" money on education and treatment. So maybe we want to legalize them...

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« Reply #76 on: November 11, 2012, 11:55:09 AM »
I read the laws and that's exactly how you should have it. Treating it the same way as Alcohol.
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« Reply #77 on: November 11, 2012, 12:19:33 PM »
That crazy-named governor of theirs has submitted a request for clarification from Eric Holder.  I'm quite interested in what he has to say.  I have very little faith that our DOJ will stand by what a lame duck AG says on the matter, but I'm still curious what their official position on Colorado will be. 
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« Reply #78 on: November 12, 2012, 12:21:58 AM »
Did they have an official position on medical pot in Cali?

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« Reply #79 on: November 12, 2012, 08:22:14 AM »
Did they have an official position on medical pot in Cali?
Their official policy was that it was none of their business as long as it didn't violate both state and federal law. This was interpreted to mean that they'd only step in if Cali refused to enforce their own laws.

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investigative and prosecutorial resources should be directed towards these objectives. As a
general matter, pursuit of these priorities should not focus federal resources in your States on
individuals whose actions are in clear and unambiguous compliance with existing state laws
providing for the medical use of marijuana.
For example, prosecution of individuals with cancer
or other serious illnesses who use marijuana as part of a recommended treatment regimen
consistent with applicable state law, or those caregivers in clear and unambiguous compliance
with existing state law who provide such individuals with marijuana, is unlikely to be an efficient
use of limited federal resources. On the other hand, prosecution of commercial enterprises that
unlawfully market and sell marijuana for profit continues to be an enforcement priority of the
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Re: Amendment 64 Passes: Colorado Legalizes Marijuana For Recreational Use
« Reply #80 on: November 12, 2012, 08:57:42 AM »
How exactly will this work? Will it be sold in stores under brand names? I'm clueless on this whole thing.
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« Reply #81 on: November 12, 2012, 09:05:38 AM »
How exactly will this work? Will it be sold in stores under brand names? I'm clueless on this whole thing.
So are they, but the game plan is to treat it exactly the same as alcohol.  Since Colorado (I believe) requires liquor to be sold from specialized stores (unlike beer), I suspect that'll apply to bud as well.  I doubt you'll be able to buy dope at the corner Stop & Rob.  I suppose liquor stores might be able to sell, though. 
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« Reply #82 on: November 12, 2012, 10:03:13 AM »
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« Reply #83 on: November 12, 2012, 11:03:23 AM »
I guess they won't be able to call it Bud OR Bud light?
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« Reply #84 on: November 12, 2012, 11:04:54 AM »
How exactly will this work? Will it be sold in stores under brand names? I'm clueless on this whole thing.
So are they, but the game plan is to treat it exactly the same as alcohol.  Since Colorado (I believe) requires liquor to be sold from specialized stores (unlike beer), I suspect that'll apply to bud as well.  I doubt you'll be able to buy dope at the corner Stop & Rob.  I suppose liquor stores might be able to sell, though.

Pretty much. Theirs going to be places that sell, and possibly grow their own supply.

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« Reply #85 on: November 12, 2012, 11:20:37 AM »
Who is the guy in the OP link, Harry Potter? :lol
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« Reply #86 on: November 12, 2012, 12:53:51 PM »
I guess they won't be able to call it Bud OR Bud light?

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« Reply #87 on: November 12, 2012, 01:14:07 PM »
Believe me when I tell you the actual names of the various strains are much more entertaining than that.

matanuska thunderfuck
green crack
super silver sour diesel haze
blockhead
hog's breath
train wreck
rolling thunder
strawberry cough
hilltown humbleweed
foxy's rhinofuck
Bumblefuck
Alaskan Thunderfuck
Zimbabwean Snapneck
Jedi Kush
Bionic Bubba
Supernova Sensai Star

These people are professionals and they're on dope. You're not going to out-clever them.  Also worth noting, people cross strains all the time, so somewhere in the world somebody is probably smoking a bowl of Thunder-Rhino-Bumblefuck #4, right now.
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« Reply #90 on: November 12, 2012, 01:45:04 PM »
Yeah probably.

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« Reply #91 on: November 12, 2012, 01:47:00 PM »
You "assume" that a story about dorito riots is photoshopped?
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« Reply #92 on: November 12, 2012, 01:52:22 PM »
You "assume" that a story about dorito riots is photoshopped?
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« Reply #93 on: November 12, 2012, 02:01:04 PM »
Hey, it's on the Internet with a photo and everything.  It must be true!

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« Reply #94 on: November 12, 2012, 02:02:16 PM »
Hey, it's on the Internet with a photo and everything.  It must be true!

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« Reply #95 on: November 12, 2012, 02:07:23 PM »
You "assume" that a story about dorito riots is photoshopped?

Didn't see that  :P

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« Reply #96 on: November 12, 2012, 02:07:45 PM »
Hey, it's on the Internet with a photo and everything.  It must be true!

Can't argue with facts.

The pixels tell me it's a photoshop.

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« Reply #97 on: November 12, 2012, 02:10:21 PM »
Hey, it's on the Internet with a photo and everything.  It must be true!

Can't argue with facts.

The pixels tell me it's a photoshop.

What? When?

I talked to the Pixels earlier today, they said they had no comment on the matter. I mean, Margaret Pixel hinted at something that the family was hiding from me, but wouldn't tell me what it was.

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« Reply #99 on: November 12, 2012, 02:30:07 PM »
Hey, it's on the Internet with a photo and everything.  It must be true!

Can't argue with facts.

The pixels tell me it's a photoshop.

What? When?

I talked to the Pixels earlier today, they said they had no comment on the matter. I mean, Margaret Pixel hinted at something that the family was hiding from me, but wouldn't tell me what it was.

Are you really that tight with the Pixels? I mean, they're a pretty hard to get a hold of in general and I know for a fact that the Pixels felt they were very disappointed with the movie Avatar. So no clue why they're so chummy with you.
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« Reply #101 on: November 12, 2012, 09:45:37 PM »
Pat Roberson endorsing legal pot

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/08/us/pat-robertson-backs-legalizing-marijuana.html?_r=1&
Dude would certainly benefit from smoking some, but he claims to have no interest.  Shame. 
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« Reply #102 on: November 13, 2012, 12:11:03 AM »
As a pot smoker, and being engaged to someone who hates that I do it, mostly because its illegal.  I've been telling her that once our generation comes into power in the country (im 28), marijuana would be legal because our generation was not tricked into thinking it was a gateway drug and it was some terrible substance (well they tried to, and some believe so, but there are waayyy more people who can call out the bs). It seems, and I hope so, that we are on that path. I've also noticed a lot more of the older generation coming around to this.  Not that they want to smoke it, but that they realize it's not so bad as they thought and that it actually can be very good for the economy.  I really hope the AG doesn't stick his head into this and at least allows the two states to test this and see what happens.

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« Reply #103 on: November 13, 2012, 03:55:41 AM »
I'd say about 90% of my clients at the Social Security Disability law firm are users, and most of them are in their 40s and 50s, so I'd say that's a totally different older generation we're talking about. Bear in mind that most people who are now in their 60s were part of the hippie generation, who were by far more accepting. Although that could just be in the nature of the clientele.
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