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« Reply #70 on: October 29, 2012, 03:40:38 PM »
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And they were slow to acknowledge it was a premeditated terrorist attack, and they downplayed reports that it might have been.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-evidence-doesnt-show-planning-in-libyan-attack/2012/10/19/ff7ff326-1a36-11e2-bd10-5ff056538b7c_story.html

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U.S. intelligence officials said Friday that no evidence has surfaced to indicate that the Sept. 11 assault on a U.S. diplomatic outpost in Libya was planned in advance, a conclusion that suggests the attack was spontaneous even if it involved militants with ties to al-Qaeda.

Perhaps because, even to this day, there isn't much evidence that it was a premeditated terrorist attack. Organized != premeditated.

As far as I can tell, the administration as simply been using the intelligence they've been given, and that intelligence story has altered slightly. I think it's beyond unfair to say that this means the administration was lying. It would be like saying Newton was lying because Newtonian physics doesn't work, or that Charles Darwin lied because he got some aspects of evolution wrong.


http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hcHqX_oGuD3NrJBqAlP6zmh2Ad8w?docId=108322368d234582bc632e1b55b15c50

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There was no sign of a spontaneous protest against an American-made movie denigrating Islam's Prophet Muhammad. But a lawyer passing by the scene said he saw the militants gathering around 20 youths from nearby to chant against the film. Within an hour or so, the assault began, guns blazing as the militants blasted into the compound.

Was the initial story 100% accurate? No. But it seems absurd to me to expect initial reports to be 100% accurate. Everything we have learned since then can also help explain why there was this initial confusion - there were other protests regarding the video in the region, most specifically Cairo, and at the very least the attackers tried to use the film as cover.

Ironically, what I see is an administration perhaps being too open with the information as it was coming in, and not waiting for a full picture to emerge. For that, we can just as easily blame the media and Republican's for making this an issue, asking the administration questions about it and expecting answers, answers that could by no means be expected to be complete at the time they were asked.

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Re: Obama administration KNEW Benghazi WAS TERRORIST ATTACK
« Reply #71 on: October 29, 2012, 03:46:37 PM »
McCain's been hit and miss.  I agree that dumping the whole thing on Obama is stupid.  If we're to start placing the president solely responsible for every embassy attack, then Obama is suddenly Abraham Fucking Lincoln.  The attack shouldn't reflect on him.  However, the administration has handled it pretty badly after the fact. 

I'm definitely OK with NEWS OUTLETS raising questions, yes.  I think they should raise questions.  I don't see Fox News (sic) as a "news outlet" though.  And that's where I see the vast majority of the criticism and questions coming from on this.  From Fox News (sic) and conservatives.  And frankly, most of it seems opportunistic and just designed to make Obama look bad ahead of the election.
I think FOX is as silly as you do, but that's just wrong.  If Bozo the Clown, Andy Dick and Charlie Sheen get together and expose wrongdoing, it's still worth investigating regardless of how asinine they usually are.  FOX has a distinct tendency to spin things to the Republican's advantage, as we all know, but that doesn't mean their facts can't occasionally be right. It's foolish to assume otherwise.


Sorry, I don't pay any more attention to Fox News (sic) than I do to MSNBC.  They're not interested in reporting news, they're interested in delivering a narrative.  Two different things.


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Re: Obama administration KNEW Benghazi WAS TERRORIST ATTACK
« Reply #73 on: October 30, 2012, 01:20:46 PM »
He's a General, he disobeyed direct orders and risked lives, so when he's arrested for it, somehow President Obama is the bad guy?

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Re: Obama administration KNEW Benghazi WAS TERRORIST ATTACK
« Reply #74 on: October 30, 2012, 01:39:52 PM »
Yes, his whole administration is a scheme to dismantle the American empire.

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Re: Obama administration KNEW Benghazi WAS TERRORIST ATTACK
« Reply #75 on: October 30, 2012, 02:01:22 PM »
I'm certainly interested in how that played out, but it doesn't trouble me right now.  For one thing, that article isn't even up to FOX standards.  Hard to give it any legitimacy.  Second, it appears that Ham is still in command, but his replacement has been announced.  No way of knowing what the circumstances are in that deal, but silly to automatically assume it's because of Benghazi. Commanders get shuffled around all the time. Third, according to the people trying to sell this story, his firing was damned appropriate (if it actually happened):
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"General Ham then received the order to stand down. His response was to screw it, he was going to help anyhow. Within 30 seconds to a minute after making the move to respond, his second in command apprehended General Ham and told him that he was now relieved of his command."
Damned straight. You knowing violate a direct order and of course you're going to be in deep shit.  He knew that and acted anyway.  I respect him for standing up for what he believed, but would have no qualms about sacking him; and I'd bet good money he'd agree with that assessment. 

Currently a complete non-factor, but like I said, I'm interested to see where it goes.

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« Reply #76 on: October 30, 2012, 06:47:48 PM »
I think now with Sandy having dominated the news, this thing will just peter out. And I have to be honest, even after all this time I am still not sure what exactly the administration's fault was supposed to be. My best guess at this point is that Obama didn't possess clairvoyance.
When Romney and Obama traded jabs about this at the debates, Romney was either horrendously bad at pitching the issue, or it simply wasn't substantial enough for him to make a clear point about it. While most topics were pretty clearcut, this one was completely nebulous after the debates.
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Re: Obama administration KNEW Benghazi WAS TERRORIST ATTACK
« Reply #77 on: October 30, 2012, 06:54:22 PM »
Yes, his whole administration is a scheme to dismantle the American empire.
This is sarcasm, right? My sarcasm detector for anything relating to the US election is completely broken at this point.


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« Reply #78 on: November 02, 2012, 05:52:40 AM »
http://news.yahoo.com/us-officials-counter-reports-benghazi-attacks-082011023--politics.html

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U.S. officials described the timeline in a clear effort to rebut recent news reports that said the CIA told its personnel to "stand down" rather than go to the consulate to help repel the attackers. Fox News reported that when CIA officers at the annex called higher-ups to tell them the consulate was under fire, they were twice told to "stand down." The CIA publicly denied the report.

The intelligence officials told reporters Thursday that when the CIA annex received a call about the assault, about a half dozen members of a CIA security team tried to get heavy weapons and other assistance from the Libyans. But when the Libyans failed to respond, the security team, which routinely carries small arms, went ahead with the rescue attempt. At no point was the team told to wait, the officials said.

Instead, they said the often outmanned and outgunned team members made all the key decisions on the ground, with no second-guessing from senior officials monitoring the situation from afar.


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They added that while intelligence officials indicated early on that extremists were involved in the assault, only later were officials able to confirm that the attack was not generated by a protest over the film.

The Associated Press has reported that the CIA station chief in Tripoli and a State Department official sent word to Washington during the attack citing eyewitnesses as saying it was not a film protest but the planned work of armed militants.

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As the events were unfolding, the Pentagon began to move special operations forces from Europe to Sigonella Naval Air Station in Sicily. U.S. aircraft routinely fly in and out of Sigonella and there are also fighter jets based in Aviano, Italy. But while the U.S. military was at a heightened state of alert because of 9/11, there were no American forces poised and ready to move immediately into Benghazi when the attack began.

The Pentagon would not send forces or aircraft into Libya — a sovereign nation — without a request from the State Department and the knowledge or consent of the host country. And Defense Secretary Leon Panetta has said the information coming in was too jumbled to risk U.S. troops.

Quoted the parts that I felt dealt directly with the complaints being laid at the government, and it's response.

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« Reply #79 on: November 02, 2012, 10:31:59 AM »
So some anonymous sources aren't credible, but other anonymous sources are, depending on what their story is and which network they tell it to.

Regardless, this probably is the best outline we've gotten yet.  My question (at least the one pertaining to this) is why it took 7 weeks for an anonymous source to tell us this much? 


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« Reply #80 on: November 02, 2012, 04:45:07 PM »
http://themittani.com/news/rip-vile-rat

I'd seen an article or two that referred to the above. Apparently, one of the guys killed played on EVE online and at one point wrote up "assuming we don't die tonight. We saw one of our 'police' that guard the compound taking pictures." And later just write "gunfire" and left to never return.

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« Reply #81 on: November 02, 2012, 04:49:43 PM »
So some anonymous sources aren't credible, but other anonymous sources are, depending on what their story is and which network they tell it to.

I'll trust the AP over Fox News et al. any day. But either way, we are trusting some source over another, without direct experience. I think this complaint is somewhat valid, but it always does away with every argument for or against anything.

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Regardless, this probably is the best outline we've gotten yet.  My question (at least the one pertaining to this) is why it took 7 weeks for an anonymous source to tell us this much?

Well, how long should it take for a full picture to emerge of what happened? It's usually a pretty wise thing to not talk about the results of an investigation, until that investigation is complete. On top of that, it's nothing really new, so much as it is just more details into what has already come out.

The media is just as culpable as anyone, they were more interested in the drama and pumping up ratings than actual reporting (as they usually are).

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« Reply #82 on: November 02, 2012, 05:26:21 PM »
Well, how long should it take for a full picture to emerge of what happened? It's usually a pretty wise thing to not talk about the results of an investigation, until that investigation is complete.
I'd agree with you if they hadn't already announced the film protest as the explanation. Like I'd have preferred something along the lines of "We're in the middle of an ongoing investigation and can't talk about the final results, but we have some reason to believe there was no film protest involved."

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« Reply #83 on: November 02, 2012, 08:48:05 PM »
Where did they say it was the video? Seriously, where? People usually seem to point to the Ambassador Rice interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oOxAyU8QwM

I just don't see anything in there that says, "it was the video that caused it." She references the Egyptian protest, which was about the video, but she did not say that the protest in Libya was about the video. She also clearly says that there's an ongoing investigation, and that what she was about to say was not definitive.


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« Reply #84 on: November 03, 2012, 01:55:32 AM »
I just don't see anything in there that says, "it was the video that caused it." She references the Egyptian protest, which was about the video, but she did not say that the protest in Libya was about the video. She also clearly says that there's an ongoing investigation, and that what she was about to say was not definitive.
She didn't just reference the protest. She referenced it as being assessed as the main impetus for the incident.

And assuming the stuff I've read here and there is valid, the claim by her that at the time they had no evidence that it was premeditated is dubious considering the reports that cables were sent prior claiming the security forces were covertly taking pictures of the compound. Note that I'm not saying this was some effort for the US to help them attack the building like some have suggested; I'm just saying it seems they wanted to avoid saying "We fucked up; we should've taken that stuff more seriously." On the other hand, I have to take it with a grain of salt since, the reports about those cables has only been by "anonymous sources" that I saw.

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« Reply #85 on: November 03, 2012, 03:14:26 AM »
I just don't see anything in there that says, "it was the video that caused it." She references the Egyptian protest, which was about the video, but she did not say that the protest in Libya was about the video. She also clearly says that there's an ongoing investigation, and that what she was about to say was not definitive.
She didn't just reference the protest. She referenced it as being assessed as the main impetus for the incident.

That's a very, very unfair interpretation of what she said. She never once said that the attacks were caused purely by the video, or that the video was the prime motive in the attacks. She only referenced the video in terms of the Cairo protest. This is a far cry from saying that the consulate attack was a pure result of the video, as she never once ascribes the video as the reason why "more extreme elements" came to the consulate and performed a coordinated attack. If the embassy in Egypt was being surrounded for another reason, then the assessment as to why the Libya consulate attack occurred would not change, one bit. It would still be a copy-cat event. But that ignores the evidence that the video did have some role in the event (below)

Besides, before and after she made those comments, she was clear in saying there is an on-going investigation, and that what she was saying was preliminary and subject to change and revisals depending upon the results of the investigations. That is not the hard claim that people say she made, that she was saying the attack was due to the video's.

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And assuming the stuff I've read here and there is valid, the claim by her that at the time they had no evidence that it was premeditated is dubious

The latest intelligence reports being given is that there still isn't any evidence that the event was planned in advance. The intelligence reports are still saying that this was an opportunistic attack.

Here's a pretty good article dealing with the topic:

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/10/cutting-through-fog-benghazi-brief-qa

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But why did anyone think there was anything "spontaneous" about this in the first place? In fact, the assault on the consulate was preplanned by "Al Qaeda elements," as Libyan President Mohammed Magarief said, wasn't it?

No. The LA Times reports that Magarief was mistaken: "The assault on the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi last month appears to have been an opportunistic attack rather than a long-planned operation, and intelligence agencies have found no evidence that it was ordered by Al Qaeda, according to U.S. officials and witnesses interviewed in Libya…The attack was 'carried out following a minimum amount of planning,' said a U.S. intelligence official…A second U.S. official added, 'There isn't any intelligence that the attackers pre-planned their assault days or weeks in advance.' Most of the evidence so far suggests that 'the attackers launched their assault opportunistically after they learned about the violence at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo' earlier that day, the official said."

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Bottom line: There were conflicting reports on the ground, and that was reflected in conflicting and sometimes confused reports from the White House. I don't think anyone would pretend that the Obama's administration's response to Benghazi was anywhere near ideal. Nevertheless, the fact is that their statements were usually properly cautious; the YouTube video really did play a role; the attack was opportunistic, not preplanned; and it doesn't appear to have had any serious connection with Al Qaeda. It's true that it took about 10 days for all this to really shake out, but let's be honest: 10 days isn't all that long to figure out what really happened during a violent and chaotic attack halfway around the world. I get that it's a nice opportunity for Republicans to score some political points in the runup to an election, but really, there's not much there there.

I've really linked to all of this information already.




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Re: Obama administration KNEW Benghazi WAS TERRORIST ATTACK
« Reply #86 on: November 03, 2012, 12:59:55 PM »
By all accounts, this was a very well put together operation.  If a bunch of militants figured this out on the drive to the embassy, they're about the luckiest people on Earth.  They set up roadblocks, a main attack body and a crossfire group.  They used direct and indirect fire with very good results.  The prospect that they hatched this up sitting around a hookah an hour or two before is silly.  It was a well coordinated effort on their part.

A variety of other sources are now disputing the CIA's timeline.  And considering that the CIA is wholly responsible for bungling the nature of the thing for a week, I don't consider them to be all that credible.  One of the problems I have with this is that Obama hasn't expressed any concern whatsoever that the people who should have had the best idea of the nature of the attack are the ones that were feeding him bad intel. 

The newest questions about the response (or lack thereof) are why we didn't ask any allies for help.  The Brits were in Tripoli waiting for a situation exactly like this, and Turkey had a security force in Benghazi. 
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British sources on the ground in Benghazi said they are extremely frustrated by the attack and are still wondering why they weren't called for help. “We have more people on the ground here than the Americans and I just don't know why we didn't get the call?" one said.

Lastly, I still want to know where the AC130 was.  If one of the spooks was on the rooftop lazing a mortar position, it had to be because he thought there was an asset nearby that could engage his target.  I've seen numerous references to AC130s, and if one was nearby, it should have been game over for the attackers.  There's no better weapon system in the world for dealing with the situation they had on their hands, both in terms of dealing with the threat and minimizing bystander casualties. 


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« Reply #87 on: November 04, 2012, 07:42:36 PM »
By all accounts, this was a very well put together operation.  If a bunch of militants figured this out on the drive to the embassy, they're about the luckiest people on Earth.  They set up roadblocks, a main attack body and a crossfire group.  They used direct and indirect fire with very good results.  The prospect that they hatched this up sitting around a hookah an hour or two before is silly.  It was a well coordinated effort on their part.

Coordinated does not mean it was planned in advance, it means it was done by an organized group of men. Which, by all accounts, was mostly the case. Roadblocks don't take pre-planning, they take the intelligence to do them. A main attack body and a crossfire group doesn't take pre-planning, it takes some sort of command structure and leadership. If many of the culprits were part of the local militia's, then nothing about that should be surprising - and remember, these are militia's with rather recent military experience. Can we not admit that some of the radical, militia groups have some capable leaders and tacticians?

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The complaint that we didn't ask the Brits for help is perhaps the most valid complaint I've heard yet, but it still doesn't amount to a scandal. Just because we can imagine how things could have gone better after the fact, doesn't mean we should expect people in the moment to make those better decisions.

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« Reply #88 on: November 09, 2012, 12:10:56 PM »
It's interesting just how irrelevant the tragic murders of those four brave patriots is now that the election is over. 

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« Reply #89 on: November 09, 2012, 12:14:35 PM »
I think it was always considered a tragedy, but yeah, now that the election is over, so is the effort to swift-boat the president over things likely beyond his power to control.

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« Reply #90 on: November 09, 2012, 01:41:31 PM »
It's interesting just how irrelevant the tragic murders of those four brave patriots is now that the election is over.

It's interesting how irrelevant the tragic number of Americans killed in Afghanistan was the entire election, or the number of people murdered in Chicago.

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« Reply #91 on: November 09, 2012, 08:19:22 PM »
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/cia-chief-petraeus-resigns-reportedly-over-affair-201305343--politics.html

Some seem to think that this was orchestrated to prevent Petraeus from testifying about Benghazi.  Does seem pretty unusual, though I wouldn't presume to know enough to speculate further.

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Re: Obama administration KNEW Benghazi WAS TERRORIST ATTACK
« Reply #92 on: November 09, 2012, 09:04:36 PM »
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/cia-chief-petraeus-resigns-reportedly-over-affair-201305343--politics.html

Some seem to think that this was orchestrated to prevent Petraeus from testifying about Benghazi.  Does seem pretty unusual, though I wouldn't presume to know enough to speculate further.

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Why would his resignation keep him from being able to testify about Benghazi? Is he disappearing or something?

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« Reply #93 on: November 09, 2012, 09:30:05 PM »
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/cia-chief-petraeus-resigns-reportedly-over-affair-201305343--politics.html

Some seem to think that this was orchestrated to prevent Petraeus from testifying about Benghazi.  Does seem pretty unusual, though I wouldn't presume to know enough to speculate further.

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Extra marital affairs are a serious business in the CIA. It can theoretically be a security leak, an attempt at a security leak, etc.

There will still be someone from the CIA testifying about Benghazi, so it really doesn't do, well, anything. The only way this coudl possibly be related to Benghazi is if the stated reasons were related to Benghazi, and that Petraeus was taking responsibility for it. If this was another attempt at a cover up, than it's a horribly orchestrated attempt that won't accomplish anything along those lines.

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« Reply #94 on: November 12, 2012, 04:31:39 PM »
I've got some (angry/depressed due to the election results) conservative friends who are filling my Facebook feed with some pretty ridiculous conspiracy theories about how the timing of this is "just too coincidental" and how it "must be" intended to "protect the Obama administration" by "destroying any credibility" that Patraeus may have had thus "polluting any testimony" he gives that reflects poorly on the Obama administration.



Basically, they're saying that he's falling on his sword by admitting to an affair now.  It's, kinda, well, absurd, I think.   


 




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« Reply #95 on: November 12, 2012, 05:23:14 PM »
There was speculation that he'd had it in for Petraus from the get-go.  The die-hard GOP types have thought that he'd scapegoat him for the Benghazi thing.  The problem with linking it to his recent resignation is that the chick he was banging appears to be somewhat unstable.  The FBI had investigated her and found out about the affair months ago.  While it's certainly possible that people were keeping it as an ace up their sleeve, the likelier explanation is that between the family aspect and the added annoyance of the Benghazi thing, he just had a "fuck this shit" moment and decided to GTFO. 

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« Reply #96 on: November 12, 2012, 06:11:59 PM »
Extra marital affairs are a serious business in the CIA. It can theoretically be a security leak, an attempt at a security leak, etc.
They've said there is no evidence of any security breach. Heck, the woman in question had full security clearance.

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« Reply #97 on: November 12, 2012, 06:14:55 PM »
There is no such thing as "full security clearance". You get clearances for certain matters.
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« Reply #98 on: November 12, 2012, 07:28:12 PM »
Fair enough. Regardless, she had high-level security clearance.

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« Reply #99 on: November 12, 2012, 07:31:38 PM »
The issue isn't her clearance, it's that the affair is a major leverage point for blackmail, something the CIA understandably takes seriously when it involves their people.
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« Reply #100 on: November 12, 2012, 08:11:40 PM »
Apparently fraternizing with a subordinate is dishonorable. Theory is that Patraeus simply did the honorable thing by resigning. Believe that as you may.
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« Reply #101 on: November 12, 2012, 09:11:52 PM »
The issue isn't her clearance, it's that the affair is a major leverage point for blackmail, something the CIA understandably takes seriously when it involves their people.
The FBI investigated possible blackmail, leaking of materials, etc and found nothing wrong happened. They concluded that all they could find was she had classified materials that her clearance allowed her to have and were obtained through proper channels.

Apparently fraternizing with a subordinate is dishonorable. Theory is that Patraeus simply did the honorable thing by resigning. Believe that as you may.
I'm not so sure a biographer is a subordinate. Although he did say in his resignation letter that he did it because the action was dishonorable.

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« Reply #102 on: November 12, 2012, 09:39:14 PM »
Adultery can result in a discharge other than honorable, but not a dishonorable one.  The former would look bad for his future career as a network news correspondent, but wouldn't hurt his benefits or anything.  However, none of it matters since he retired from the army in 2011 after taking the spy gig. 

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« Reply #103 on: November 12, 2012, 09:50:32 PM »
Extra marital affairs are a serious business in the CIA. It can theoretically be a security leak, an attempt at a security leak, etc.
They've said there is no evidence of any security breach. Heck, the woman in question had full security clearance.

It's against CIA rule to have an affair. If you do, and you don't notify your spouse and your boss, you get canned.

And I for one don't think the elites should get to play by their own set of rules. If he was anyone else working for the CIA, he'd be canned, and not given the opportunity to resign.

Adultery can result in a discharge other than honorable, but not a dishonorable one.  The former would look bad for his future career as a network news correspondent, but wouldn't hurt his benefits or anything.  However, none of it matters since he retired from the army in 2011 after taking the spy gig. 

It can also theoretically result in jail time. I find it an absurd rule, to be honest, but thems the rules.

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« Reply #104 on: November 12, 2012, 11:59:48 PM »
Sly, she was in the army at some point, and apparently the rule of non-fraternization applies to reservists too.
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