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Saw a sad sight at FYE today...but was curious...
« on: October 09, 2012, 12:27:41 AM »
Went to my local mall today and while browsing around FYE, I looked at what DT albums were in stock. Oddly enough, a lot was there...but, there was a sad catch: of the band's first 10 studio albums, 9 of them (SDOIT was the exception), as well as A Change Of Seasons, were there as Used CDs.

Looks like someone sold their collection of 10 DT CDs  :-[ I was a saddened, but then I wondered why SDOIT wasn't among the other albums that were returned. There was also no sign of a returned/used ADTOE, so that also made me wonder.

I can only assume it was all from one person since they were ALL used, and I hadn't recalled seeing ANY of them there before, so it's likely they all came from the same person. I wonder if they liked SDOIT enough to keep the actual CD. I just hope they returned the CDs because they needed the cash and have the albums on their iTunes/iPod or backed up as mp3s or on CD-r's. It'd be a shame if they just decided they didn't like the band anymore :-[

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Re: Saw a sad sight at FYE today...but was curious...
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2012, 12:30:23 AM »
Maybe the person who sold their DT CDs didn't have SDOIT, or chose to keep that one.  Or maybe someone had already bought it before you got there.  We will never know.

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« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2012, 12:30:34 AM »
Meh, their loss.

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« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2012, 12:41:10 AM »
Or maybe someone had already bought it before you got there.

Hadn't thought that! Good point. It's possible. Either way, it's interesting that if it wasn't sold back, the (former-?)fan decided to keep that ONE album. If it WAS sold back, then a new/recent/existing fan decided to buy that ONE album before any of the others!

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Re: Saw a sad sight at FYE today...but was curious...
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2012, 01:28:43 AM »
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Re: Saw a sad sight at FYE today...but was curious...
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2012, 01:48:01 AM »
It's a truly sad feeling when you have to sell a personal collection of something just to pay the bills, whether it be CD's, Toys, Books, DVD's, or even comic books.

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Re: Saw a sad sight at FYE today...but was curious...
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2012, 02:17:48 AM »
Back when SFAM was released, I didn't have the money to buy it. I tried to sell some of my other Cds, but noone would want them. I felt really bad at the time (no job, a wife, a little baby). But then my brother-in-law bought me the CD... :-* I know the feeling too...

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Re: Saw a sad sight at FYE today...but was curious...
« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2012, 02:22:13 AM »
They said, "I don't really like Dream Theater that much but I had 9 CD's and needed the cash so what the fuck".
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Re: Saw a sad sight at FYE today...but was curious...
« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2012, 05:54:10 AM »
Maybe they just got rid of the CDs because they are going to all digital. That's what I did.

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Re: Saw a sad sight at FYE today...but was curious...
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2012, 08:15:00 AM »
I've seen someone in eBay selling his entire DT & Related collection (78 albums!).
Can't remember the reason for selling it, but you can imagine something.

 


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Re: Saw a sad sight at FYE today...but was curious...
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2012, 10:13:46 AM »
It's a truly sad feeling when you have to sell a personal collection of something just to pay the bills, whether it be CD's, Toys, Books, DVD's, or even comic books.

I remember that feel, bro.

It hurt. :(

I doubt that's what that was though. I mean, usually if you see used CDs at a store, that person sold them for about 50 Cents each, so people do it more to save space in their house than to have to pay the bills.

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« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2012, 10:22:30 AM »
With digital media becoming more prominent I also wouldn't put it past people to be selling albums since they moved to an mp3 player or the like.  Just because the cd's are there doesn't mean it's sad.  You could feel positive that FYE is willing to purchase and give valuable stock space to all their discs.

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Re: Saw a sad sight at FYE today...but was curious...
« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2012, 10:25:30 AM »
With digital media becoming more prominent I also wouldn't put it past people to be selling albums since they moved to an mp3 player or the like.  Just because the cd's are there doesn't mean it's sad.  You could feel positive that FYE is willing to purchase and give valuable stock space to all their discs.

I guess you could say this black cloud has a silver lining after all.....


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Re: Saw a sad sight at FYE today...but was curious...
« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2012, 11:24:18 AM »
I sold my all my Iced Earth CDs once.

Then, a few years later, I got a little IE bug, so I went back to see if they had Alive in Athens.  The copy I'd sold them was still there. I bought it again.

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« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2012, 12:30:24 PM »
Having a bunch of MP3s doesn't replace the awesomeness of owning the physical product. The art work, the booklet, the dedications. There are some things iTunes can't provide.

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Re: Saw a sad sight at FYE today...but was curious...
« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2012, 12:38:05 PM »
So?  I mean, I agree, but so?  Some care, others don't.

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« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2012, 12:41:55 PM »
Having a bunch of MP3s doesn't replace the awesomeness of owning the physical product. The art work, the booklet, the dedications. There are some things iTunes can't provide.

Unless they just provide a PDF of all that.

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« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2012, 12:44:17 PM »
Unless they just provide a PDF of all that.

You can't hold a PDF in your hand and flip through the pages. It's just not the same. Just like a Kindle can't capture that new book smell.

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« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2012, 12:49:54 PM »
I prefer hard copy books, but I still primarily buy ebooks.

What you're saying is fine, but I don't get how it is relevant in this thread.  Just because you apparently would not sell cd's and move to only digital copies doesn't mean that thought process applies to everyone else.  There are distinct advantages to no physical copy.

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« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2012, 12:57:22 PM »
I prefer hard copy books, but I still primarily buy ebooks.

What you're saying is fine, but I don't get how it is relevant in this thread.  Just because you apparently would not sell cd's and move to only digital copies doesn't mean that thought process applies to everyone else.  There are distinct advantages to no physical copy.

I'm just saying that it's sad when a music collector decides to give up his awesome collection of CDs just for the sake if convenience. Either way, it's a little sad seeing a great collection of albums sold off for tiny fraction of their original price.

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« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2012, 01:46:35 PM »
Unless they just provide a PDF of all that.

You can't hold a PDF in your hand and flip through the pages. It's just not the same. Just like a Kindle can't capture that new book smell.

Or just like a CD can't compare with holding a big vinyl record?

A CD is just like any other medium. It doesn't define the music at all.

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« Reply #22 on: October 09, 2012, 01:50:22 PM »
Either way, it's a little sad seeing a great collection of albums sold off for tiny fraction of their original price.
But someone will get them cheaply and conveniently ;)

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« Reply #23 on: October 09, 2012, 02:29:16 PM »
Either way, it's a little sad seeing a great collection of albums sold off for tiny fraction of their original price.
But someone will get them cheaply and conveniently ;)

That's how I got Room V by Shadow Gallery. It was in this name your own price bin at the record store. I paid five bucks and got an amazing album that I otherwise would have probably never found.
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Re: Saw a sad sight at FYE today...but was curious...
« Reply #24 on: October 09, 2012, 02:38:57 PM »
You know what would be sad?

Someone leaving their DT albums sitting on a shelf gathering dust because they don't enjoy the band anymore.  Better to trade them in and let someone who wants them have them for cheap.  I bought half of my DT CDs used, so I'm grateful to people who trade in at FYE. 
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« Reply #25 on: October 09, 2012, 02:46:07 PM »
Or just like a CD can't compare with holding a big vinyl record?

A CD is just like any other medium. It doesn't define the music at all.

You're absolutely right. That's why I also have my favorite albums on vinyl.

Besides, a medium might not define the music, but the quality of that medium could. CDs obviously sound better than MP3s. And yes, vinyl records have a different quality than CDs do. On a vinyl, the sound is a lot warmer and more organic. So yes, medium does matter.

You know what would be sad?

Someone leaving their DT albums sitting on a shelf gathering dust because they don't enjoy the band anymore.  Better to trade them in and let someone who wants them have them for cheap.  I bought half of my DT CDs used, so I'm grateful to people who trade in at FYE. 

When a person doesn't enjoy DT anymore, that's the saddest part of all.

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« Reply #26 on: October 09, 2012, 02:48:45 PM »
When a person doesn't enjoy DT anymore, that's the saddest part of all.
Well, it's sad, but you know, it happens :) for us DT means more than a band, but they are just a band.

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« Reply #27 on: October 09, 2012, 02:54:36 PM »
Well, it's sad, but you know, it happens :) for us DT means more than a band, but they are just a band.

It doesn't matter. I still pity those fools who stop listening to DT. No Mr. T pun intended.

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« Reply #28 on: October 09, 2012, 02:58:15 PM »
CDs obviously sound better than MP3s.
No, not really.  There's no reason to assume someone listening to digital music must be listening to low compression mp3 files.  An audiophile won't have a problem getting the sound quality of a cd on their digital files, especially if they started with a a cd source.  Even then, if you have cheap headphones or speakers it won't make a bit of difference if you're playing the cd track or a 128 mp3.

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« Reply #29 on: October 09, 2012, 09:03:37 PM »
No, not really.  There's no reason to assume someone listening to digital music must be listening to low compression mp3 files.  An audiophile won't have a problem getting the sound quality of a cd on their digital files, especially if they started with a a cd source.  Even then, if you have cheap headphones or speakers it won't make a bit of difference if you're playing the cd track or a 128 mp3.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but when I said digital music, I meant what you'd download off iTunes, and I haven't used iTunes in a while, but last time I did, it basically gave me m4a files, which as I understand it are basically the mp3 equivalent of 128kbps, which I think is a ripoff, especially since you're not even given a choice. Obviously when you're talking about ripping CDs, and the person knows what they're doing, they have a lot more choices of how it's gonna sound.

Also, I don't know what your definition of cheap is, but in my $24 headphones there is a very noticeable difference between a 320 mp3 and a 128 mp3.
And to assume that any given person doesn't care about the quality of their music unless they're full on audiophile is setting your standards pretty low for the average person. Which I can understand why you would. But I'm not just gonna be content with, "People are tools so it's okay that they don't care."

Anyway, why are you nitpicking at what I'm saying? I think it's a real shame when a person stops being a music collector. Or when a person stops listening to Dream Theater. That's all.

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« Reply #30 on: October 09, 2012, 09:30:15 PM »
In a way, digital music has the potential to eventually give us the best quality sound of all. You'd never find something with the audio quality of HD ADTOE in a CD Jewelcase, I think!

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« Reply #31 on: October 09, 2012, 09:35:26 PM »
By cheap all I meant was poor quality.  I sometimes end up playing music on internal speakers from my computer, I doubt I can distinguish a cd from something worse than 128 mp3 on those.

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« Reply #32 on: October 09, 2012, 10:24:12 PM »
In a way, digital music has the potential to eventually give us the best quality sound of all. You'd never find something with the audio quality of HD ADTOE in a CD Jewelcase, I think!

Well, you are right about that, but not only did that version of the album become available long after the album itself came out, but those HD albums are quite pricey and you have to get it on that website. Plus which albums are available in that particular format, the selection is very limited.
Basically, what I'm saying is that talking about HD Audio files in FLAC format is kind of like talking about DVDs in mid-90's. Yes, it's there, and it's much better quality, but you can't get everything in that format. And certainly not on iTunes.
But the point that this particular discussion stemmed from was that the format does not reflect the music itself, and even this proves that yes it does. These HD FLAC files are doing far more than an MP3. But they also take up a lot more room, and even if your portable music player can play it, the amount of these songs that you could fit onto a single MP3 player is very limited, so either way, it's about making a decision and finding whatever balance works best for you. But even then, if you download HD FLAC or something from iTunes or whatever, unless you're computer savvy and have a decent audio converter, you're kind of stuck.
Whereas with a CD, any home computer can rip a CD and most if not all computers come with software that gives you the option to choose the file format and quality at which you want to rip your CD.

But the thing is, for the vast majority of people, iTunes is becoming the new standard for how they get their music, and iTunes in itself, downloading from it is a major step down from a CD quality wise. If they instead made Music DVDs or something, something that brought that HD Audio quality and introduced it as a new standard, I'd support that wholeheartedly. But as it is now, you can't listen to HD FLAC files in your car, or on your home theater system.

By cheap all I meant was poor quality.  I sometimes end up playing music on internal speakers from my computer, I doubt I can distinguish a cd from something worse than 128 mp3 on those.

Well yeah. But I mean, the only time I actually listen to music on my internal speakers is if someone said, "Check out this song," and I just wanna get a gist of the song to see what it's like. I wouldn't sit there and try to enjoy music on my internal speakers.

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Re: Saw a sad sight at FYE today...but was curious...
« Reply #33 on: October 09, 2012, 10:35:21 PM »
When a person doesn't enjoy DT anymore, that's the saddest part of all.

Even if it means DT gets a new fan because someone who had never heard of them stumbles on Images and Words at an FYE and decided to give it a listen?
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« Reply #34 on: October 09, 2012, 10:39:14 PM »
Even if it means DT gets a new fan because someone who had never heard of them stumbles on Images and Words at an FYE and decided to give it a listen?

Hey, I'm not saying it's a bad thing that they could potentially make a new fan, but it's like, why the hell would anyone in their right mind stop liking DT? It's DT!