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« Reply #175 on: November 16, 2012, 10:14:26 AM »
Some photos I saw today:







And apparently that one is from when I met Adami when we were kids :lol

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« Reply #176 on: November 16, 2012, 11:01:04 AM »

And while I hate to play this card... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Antisemitism

Which is not to say one can't be critical of Israel without that automatically making them anti-Semitic, the mainstream acceptance of criticizing Israel has become sort of a convenient veil in that regard. Kinda like how lambasting Obama's policies in the United States has become for closet racists.

Wait, what? "Mainstream acceptance of criticizing Israel"? Where is this going on, because I haven't seen any of it. Definitely not in the establishment media, or our government, anywhere.

Yeah, it's not our media (although it is on the ground in non-Jewish America and to a lesser extent in young Jewish America). I was referring to the global situation more generally. Europe and all them.

And @ PM: I want a guy who's not afraid to take a demilitarized Palestine within pre-1967 borders. East Jerusalem? Go ahead. Gaza and West Bank? I don't want them anyway. What I don't want is someone who demands greater than pre-1967 and then when negotiations fall through, he does nothing to stop Qetyushas and bus bombs. Yes, the Palestinian situation sucks. Heck, sucks is a lamentably inadequate word for what they have to deal with. But you really can't lay so much of it on Israel. It isn't 100% Israel's fault that we are where we are now. And by the way, don't foist upon me your discontent with settlements I don't approve of, military operations I agree with on principle but I think go too far, and a prime minister only the most extreme can applaud.
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« Reply #177 on: November 16, 2012, 11:21:25 AM »
If your a bible believing Christian, the scope of what is taking place right now is probably unsettling to you. If you are not, you probably won't see or care about the biblical implications of the escalation. Either way, its not a good thing for anyone and will have a major effect on all in the coming days if it gets worse.

http://www.seekingtruth.co.uk/middle_east.htm

The domain name alone ... kinda gives away what the page is about.
So?

Some dude who read the Bible a few too many times wants the prophecies to be about his time. Has been tried, what, 50,000 times? Has also failed 50,000 times.
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« Reply #178 on: November 16, 2012, 11:23:41 AM »
As much as I enjoy you guys (Rumby and Ticky) can we take the bible discussion to a bible thread or something? I only ask because even though in this case the prophecy DOES involve the middle east, I don't want this turning into another bible discussion and I think it'd be best to focus on non prophecy based middle eastern affairs.

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« Reply #179 on: November 16, 2012, 11:45:21 AM »
Some photos I saw today:


Why can't those bombs hit the god damn settlers then? Seriously, I have no sympathy for the settlers.


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Is that really what TV is like? I don't watch the news ever so I don't know. I get all my news online which is usually WAY more pro-palestine. Which usually makes me bewildered when people say the media is pro-israel. But if that's really the kind of stuff the american TV networks show.....jesus.

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And apparently that one is from when I met Adami when we were kids :lol


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« Reply #180 on: November 16, 2012, 11:52:26 AM »

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Is that really what TV is like? I don't watch the news ever so I don't know. I get all my news online which is usually WAY more pro-palestine. Which usually makes me bewildered when people say the media is pro-israel. But if that's really the kind of stuff the american TV networks show.....jesus.

More or less, yeah.

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« Reply #181 on: November 16, 2012, 11:54:17 AM »
Ah well, just another reason I don't like America.
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« Reply #182 on: November 16, 2012, 11:56:29 AM »
Powerful....If you have not heard this, please listen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5VKmyDEF6U
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« Reply #184 on: November 16, 2012, 06:56:21 PM »
I can't read the entire article because of some subscription bullshit, but would anyone who can please answer the following questions:

1. From whom did Jabari receive this draft from?

2. Is there serious evidence that he would actually have signed it?
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« Reply #185 on: November 16, 2012, 07:32:38 PM »
I can't read the entire article because of some subscription bullshit, but would anyone who can please answer the following questions:

1. From whom did Jabari receive this draft from?

2. Is there serious evidence that he would actually have signed it?

1. Gershon Baskin. A third party peace activist.

2. No.


However I didn't approve of his assassination. I agree with the concept of assassinating a real threat when extracting him would cost a lot of lives. However this guy seemed to be a guy who was killed because of previous things and not related really to what was happening. They shouldn't use a war as an excuse to take out yesterdays garbage.
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« Reply #187 on: November 17, 2012, 05:28:30 AM »
Apparently Anonymous is now attacking Israeli sites.

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« Reply #188 on: November 18, 2012, 06:19:20 PM »
Apparently Anonymous is now attacking Israeli sites.
They've been doing that for days.
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« Reply #189 on: November 18, 2012, 06:23:21 PM »
Apparently Anonymous is now attacking Israeli sites.
They've been doing that for days.

I usually don't have a problem with Anonymous, but what they're doing now is strictly cyber terrorism. They're not actually achieving anything positive other than "I don't like so I'm going to hurt you in random pointless ways". Did they leak important documents? No. Did they do anything to actually help the Palestinians? No. Did they delete the banking information of random Israelis? Well obviously.
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« Reply #190 on: November 18, 2012, 07:00:12 PM »
Anonymous has long ceased to have any kind of meaning to them. I think for the most part it's just script kiddies who enjoy the attention they get.
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« Reply #191 on: November 18, 2012, 08:28:45 PM »
Pretty much what rumby said. They're pretty much not relevant anymore. No one cares.
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« Reply #192 on: November 19, 2012, 07:44:22 AM »
Apparently Anonymous is now attacking Israeli sites.
They've been doing that for days.

I usually don't have a problem with Anonymous, but what they're doing now is strictly cyber terrorism. They're not actually achieving anything positive other than "I don't like so I'm going to hurt you in random pointless ways". Did they leak important documents? No. Did they do anything to actually help the Palestinians? No. Did they delete the banking information of random Israelis? Well obviously.

It's obviously an attempt to voice an opinion and show of solidarity, I don't think it's a mere "I don't like you so I'll hurt you" situation. They're sharing their support the only way they know how is all; making a noticeable noise.
Aren't these the same people who brought down the PlayStation network last year or was it another group? I thought they were arrested.

Pretty much what rumby said. They're pretty much not relevant anymore. No one cares.

Evidently a lot do care.
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« Reply #193 on: November 19, 2012, 08:12:11 AM »
This is pretty unfortunate... The son of Ariel Sharon wrote an op ed calling for...

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdContributors/Article.aspx?id=292466

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There is no justification for the State of Gaza being able to shoot at our towns with impunity. We need to flatten entire neighborhoods in Gaza. Flatten all of Gaza. The Americans didn’t stop with Hiroshima – the Japanese weren’t surrendering fast enough, so they hit Nagasaki, too.

That's a pretty skewed view of history.

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« Reply #194 on: November 19, 2012, 08:46:15 AM »
Ya... there's a very solid case to be made that the atomic bombs saved lives, overall, in that skirmish; I can't see any argument being made at all that shows flattening entire neighborhoods in Gaza would actually save lives. And that's not even going into the hypothetical situation where that states a bigger regional War. I doubt many of those players in the region would stand by as Gaza is leveled.

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« Reply #195 on: November 19, 2012, 11:27:11 AM »
Which is unfortunate because as prime ministers go, dear ole dad was pretty good on both sides.
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« Reply #198 on: November 19, 2012, 01:48:30 PM »
I have an ignorant question: What makes this time different than any of the other times flare-ups happen? You turn on CNN and they'll have you think World War 3 is about to start.

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« Reply #199 on: November 19, 2012, 01:54:55 PM »
I have an ignorant question: What makes this time different than any of the other times flare-ups happen? You turn on CNN and they'll have you think World War 3 is about to start.

Well that's just American media it seems. But there are two things that make this a bit different.

1. Israel is being more wreckless than ever before in their bombings.
2. Gaza rockets are going way further than before.
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« Reply #200 on: November 19, 2012, 02:41:29 PM »
I have an ignorant question: What makes this time different than any of the other times flare-ups happen? You turn on CNN and they'll have you think World War 3 is about to start.

Well that's just American media it seems. But there are two things that make this a bit different.

1. Israel is being more wreckless than ever before in their bombings.
2. Gaza rockets are going way further than before.

And the political atmosphere in Egypt which is more supportive of Hamas.

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« Reply #201 on: November 19, 2012, 02:46:05 PM »
Hm? Egypt is always supportive of Hamas.
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« Reply #202 on: November 19, 2012, 04:59:22 PM »
I have an ignorant question: What makes this time different than any of the other times flare-ups happen? You turn on CNN and they'll have you think World War 3 is about to start.

Well that's just American media it seems. But there are two things that make this a bit different.

1. Israel is being more wreckless than ever before in their bombings.
2. Gaza rockets are going way further than before.

This. Israel is expanding this operation rather more than in 2009, and this is the first time Palestinian rockets have reached Jerusalem.
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« Reply #203 on: November 19, 2012, 06:05:18 PM »
Hm? Egypt is always supportive of Hamas.

Yea, but more cautiously and covertly before the Muslim Brotherhood took office, no?

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« Reply #204 on: November 19, 2012, 06:48:03 PM »
Imagine if a rocket hit the Dome of the Rock or something..

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« Reply #205 on: November 20, 2012, 08:46:42 AM »
Oh, I see. Thanks guys. Apparently Israeli planes have dropped leaflets telling Gazans to evacuate their homes.

http://www.businessinsider.com/israel-is-dropping-leaflets-telling-gazans-to-evacuate-their-homes-and-gather-in-city-center-2012-11

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« Reply #206 on: November 20, 2012, 09:44:13 AM »
This is not going well....

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/20/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-conflict.html?hp

Oh good. Means we might have a truce soon.

Called it.


Unless something goes terribly wrong, the truce will go into effect at midnight.
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« Reply #207 on: November 20, 2012, 09:48:55 AM »
A truce in sight, maybe?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/21/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-conflict.html?hp

Personally, I think it sounds a little soon and too good to be true, but we'll see. According to Spiegel Online, a german online newspaper, there's supposed to be a truce at midnight, local time, tonight, though I haven't found any other sources of this.

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« Reply #208 on: November 20, 2012, 09:52:27 AM »
Do you really think it's realistic for both Israel and Gaza to go from a state of quasi-war to a truce so suddenly? I don't know a lot about the conflict, except what's in the media, but it does sound a bit unrealistic to me.
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« Reply #209 on: November 20, 2012, 09:53:05 AM »
Do you really think it's realistic for both Israel and Gaza to go from a state of quasi-war to a truce so suddenly? I don't know a lot about the conflict, except what's in the media, but it does sound a bit unrealistic to me.

Yea, it's normal. There'll be a few minor flare ups afterwards, but nothing huge.
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