« previous next »
Pages: [1] 2 3   Go Down

Author Topic: An outbreak of common sense from The Dalai Lama?  (Read 1005 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Odysseus

  • Posts: 246
  • Gender: Male
An outbreak of common sense from The Dalai Lama?
« on: September 19, 2012, 03:21:19 PM »


An interesting quote from the big guy....  :hat

What do you guys reckon?  I'm talking content rather than delivery here....
Logged

Offline Adami

  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 21194
  • Gender: Male
  • Local Deadpool Corps. Representative
    • Of Two Minds
Re: An outbreak of common sense from The Dalai Lama?
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2012, 03:22:36 PM »
Meh. He's a spiritual leader emphasizing spirituality.


I'm not sure what's supposed to be shocking or interesting here.
Logged

Offline theseoafs

  • When the lights go down in the city, and the sun shines on the bayyyyy
  • Posts: 4406
  • Gender: Male
  • Hello! My name is Elder Price
Re: An outbreak of common sense from The Dalai Lama?
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2012, 03:29:07 PM »
He believes morality exists outside of religion, which is, unfortunately, still a controversial viewpoint to hold in America.  No, there's nothing very interesting about it, but I suppose it's a good thing someone in the public sphere is coming out and saying it directly.
Logged
beware the seoafs

Offline Odysseus

  • Posts: 246
  • Gender: Male
Re: An outbreak of common sense from The Dalai Lama?
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2012, 03:33:56 PM »
Quote from: Adami on September 19, 2012, 03:22:36 PM
Meh. He's a spiritual leader emphasizing spirituality.


I'm not sure what's supposed to be shocking or interesting here.

No shock required.  The interesting part for me is a leader of a 'religion' talking about a move away from 'religion'.  Obviously, his lot will 'get it' more than the other lot, and I'm interested to see if any movers and shakers in other faiths will see any merit in it.  Not that anyone's expecting any changes, obv.  I guess the definition of 'spirituality' will vary from person to person within and between faiths...

Quote from: theseoafs on September 19, 2012, 03:29:07 PM
He believes morality exists outside of religion, which is, unfortunately, still a controversial viewpoint to hold in America.  No, there's nothing very interesting about it, but I suppose it's a good thing someone in the public sphere is coming out and saying it directly.

Yup.
Logged

Offline Adami

  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 21194
  • Gender: Male
  • Local Deadpool Corps. Representative
    • Of Two Minds
Re: An outbreak of common sense from The Dalai Lama?
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2012, 04:25:13 PM »
Well I guess if you consider him a religious leader......then sure.


But he's not. He's a spiritual and political leader. And if one know's much about Buddhism in general, then this is pretty in line with everything else they believe.
Logged

Offline Chino

  • Be excellent to each other.
  • DT.net Veteran
  • ****
  • Posts: 9531
  • Gender: Male
Re: An outbreak of common sense from The Dalai Lama?
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2012, 04:33:23 PM »
Logged

Offline Adami

  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 21194
  • Gender: Male
  • Local Deadpool Corps. Representative
    • Of Two Minds
Re: An outbreak of common sense from The Dalai Lama?
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2012, 04:35:19 PM »
That is a very true quote. Buddha essentially said the same thing back in his day as well.



Also, I'd like to point out (not that it changes anything in this thread) that the Lama there is as much a spokesmen for Buddhism as a whole as The Pope is for Christianity as a whole.
Logged

Offline theseoafs

  • When the lights go down in the city, and the sun shines on the bayyyyy
  • Posts: 4406
  • Gender: Male
  • Hello! My name is Elder Price
Re: An outbreak of common sense from The Dalai Lama?
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2012, 04:37:29 PM »
Quote from: Chino on September 19, 2012, 04:33:23 PM
*snip*

It pisses me off to no end that this is the policy for a minority of religions.
Logged
beware the seoafs

Offline bosk1

  • I work in mysterious ways
  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 8623
Re: An outbreak of common sense from The Dalai Lama?
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2012, 04:48:29 PM »
Quote from: Odysseus on September 19, 2012, 03:21:19 PM


An interesting quote from the big guy....  :hat

What do you guys reckon?  I'm talking content rather than delivery here....

:tup  If only more people grounded their ethics on God rather than religion, the world would be a much better place.
Logged

Offline Adami

  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 21194
  • Gender: Male
  • Local Deadpool Corps. Representative
    • Of Two Minds
Re: An outbreak of common sense from The Dalai Lama?
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2012, 04:49:20 PM »
I'm not sure what god has to do with any of this.
Logged

Offline Chino

  • Be excellent to each other.
  • DT.net Veteran
  • ****
  • Posts: 9531
  • Gender: Male
Re: An outbreak of common sense from The Dalai Lama?
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2012, 04:51:35 PM »
Quote from: theseoafs on September 19, 2012, 04:37:29 PM
Quote from: Chino on September 19, 2012, 04:33:23 PM
*snip*

It pisses me off to no end that this is the policy for a minority of religions.

You're not the only one.
Logged

Offline Adami

  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 21194
  • Gender: Male
  • Local Deadpool Corps. Representative
    • Of Two Minds
Re: An outbreak of common sense from The Dalai Lama?
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2012, 04:52:47 PM »
Quote from: theseoafs on September 19, 2012, 04:37:29 PM
Quote from: Chino on September 19, 2012, 04:33:23 PM
*snip*

It pisses me off to no end that this is the policy for a minority of religions.

I'm not sure it's the policy of any religions.
Logged

Online yeshaberto

  • Moderator
  • *****
  • Posts: 8603
  • Gender: Male
  • Somebody Get Me A Doctor! - VH
Re: An outbreak of common sense from The Dalai Lama?
« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2012, 04:56:31 PM »
I agree with the quote, though I am not sure if we mean it from equal perspectives.

When I think of religion, I think of a mediator between myself and God (an unnecessary one).
When I think of church, I think of a group of people walking together with God.

Churches can often become "religions," but I don't think it is necessarily one and the same.
Logged

Offline Chino

  • Be excellent to each other.
  • DT.net Veteran
  • ****
  • Posts: 9531
  • Gender: Male
Re: An outbreak of common sense from The Dalai Lama?
« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2012, 05:04:15 PM »
Quote from: Adami on September 19, 2012, 04:52:47 PM
Quote from: theseoafs on September 19, 2012, 04:37:29 PM
Quote from: Chino on September 19, 2012, 04:33:23 PM
*snip*

It pisses me off to no end that this is the policy for a minority of religions.

I'm not sure it's the policy of any religions.

It's not the policy, but it is the thought process of a lot of people that are very religuos. I know several people who are extremely against science as a whole just because it sometimes conflicts with their beliefs. My ex girlfriends parents were the worst. Her father was just annoying with it. Months ago, soon after it launched, I brought up Curiosity, the Mars rover. I got a response along the lines of "I don't get why we even waste our time with that sort of thing. I don't even care about the money we are spending. Why do we have to be so curious about other places in space? Isn't Earth interesting enough?". There were several other instances where similar conversations went down. I attribute all of it to his and his wife's devotion to the church. The only reading matrial in the bathroom were Jesus books. I stopped accepting invitations to go over there real quick.
Logged

Offline Adami

  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 21194
  • Gender: Male
  • Local Deadpool Corps. Representative
    • Of Two Minds
Re: An outbreak of common sense from The Dalai Lama?
« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2012, 05:05:52 PM »
Maybe I misread The Seoafs post, I thought he was saying he was pissed off that only a small amount of religions carry the belief that if they are proven wrong, then they will adapt to fit the modern paradigm.

Did I mistake what he said?
Logged

Offline Chino

  • Be excellent to each other.
  • DT.net Veteran
  • ****
  • Posts: 9531
  • Gender: Male
Re: An outbreak of common sense from The Dalai Lama?
« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2012, 05:17:23 PM »
Quote from: Adami on September 19, 2012, 05:05:52 PM
Maybe I misread The Seoafs post, I thought he was saying he was pissed off that only a small amount of religions carry the belief that if they are proven wrong, then they will adapt to fit the modern paradigm.

Did I mistake what he said?

That's how I interpretted it.
Logged

Offline Adami

  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 21194
  • Gender: Male
  • Local Deadpool Corps. Representative
    • Of Two Minds
Re: An outbreak of common sense from The Dalai Lama?
« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2012, 05:18:18 PM »
Quote from: Chino on September 19, 2012, 05:17:23 PM
Quote from: Adami on September 19, 2012, 05:05:52 PM
Maybe I misread The Seoafs post, I thought he was saying he was pissed off that only a small amount of religions carry the belief that if they are proven wrong, then they will adapt to fit the modern paradigm.

Did I mistake what he said?

That's how I interpretted it.

........then it seems we must battle to the death with use of only popsicles.

Damn.
Logged

Offline bosk1

  • I work in mysterious ways
  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 8623
Re: An outbreak of common sense from The Dalai Lama?
« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2012, 05:18:51 PM »
Dibs on grape!
Logged

Offline theseoafs

  • When the lights go down in the city, and the sun shines on the bayyyyy
  • Posts: 4406
  • Gender: Male
  • Hello! My name is Elder Price
Re: An outbreak of common sense from The Dalai Lama?
« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2012, 05:19:39 PM »
Quote from: Adami on September 19, 2012, 05:05:52 PM
Maybe I misread The Seoafs post, I thought he was saying he was pissed off that only a small amount of religions carry the belief that if they are proven wrong, then they will adapt to fit the modern paradigm.

Did I mistake what he said?

Yep, that's what I meant.  (My post worked off the assumption that Buddhism in fact is a religion, so modify what I said as such if you put Buddhism in a different bucket.)
Logged
beware the seoafs

Offline Adami

  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 21194
  • Gender: Male
  • Local Deadpool Corps. Representative
    • Of Two Minds
Re: An outbreak of common sense from The Dalai Lama?
« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2012, 05:20:44 PM »
Quote from: theseoafs on September 19, 2012, 05:19:39 PM
Quote from: Adami on September 19, 2012, 05:05:52 PM
Maybe I misread The Seoafs post, I thought he was saying he was pissed off that only a small amount of religions carry the belief that if they are proven wrong, then they will adapt to fit the modern paradigm.

Did I mistake what he said?

Yep, that's what I meant.  (My post worked off the assumption that Buddhism in fact is a religion, so modify what I said as such if you put Buddhism in a different bucket.)

Well doesn't philosophy in general adapt to find the truth and not hold the world to the standards they made up? Meaning don't most philosophies change when they are presented with a valid argument against?
Logged

Offline Chino

  • Be excellent to each other.
  • DT.net Veteran
  • ****
  • Posts: 9531
  • Gender: Male
Re: An outbreak of common sense from The Dalai Lama?
« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2012, 05:26:49 PM »
Quote from: Adami on September 19, 2012, 05:20:44 PM
Quote from: theseoafs on September 19, 2012, 05:19:39 PM
Quote from: Adami on September 19, 2012, 05:05:52 PM
Maybe I misread The Seoafs post, I thought he was saying he was pissed off that only a small amount of religions carry the belief that if they are proven wrong, then they will adapt to fit the modern paradigm.

Did I mistake what he said?

Yep, that's what I meant.  (My post worked off the assumption that Buddhism in fact is a religion, so modify what I said as such if you put Buddhism in a different bucket.)

Well doesn't philosophy in general adapt to find the truth and not hold the world to the standards they made up? Meaning don't most philosophies change when they are presented with a valid argument against?

Not always. Why does the catholic church not let science have a weekend with the Shroud? Probably because they are going to hear things that will confilct with what they've believed their whole lives.
Logged

Offline Adami

  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 21194
  • Gender: Male
  • Local Deadpool Corps. Representative
    • Of Two Minds
Re: An outbreak of common sense from The Dalai Lama?
« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2012, 05:30:28 PM »
I wouldn't classify Christianity as a philosophy; I'd call it a religion that has a philosophy within it. Buddhism is an independent philosophy with out a religion to keep it constrained. Philosophy generally has a goal and a "whatever means necessary" rule to get there and they derive those rules by logic generally. Religion has the rules along with the outcome and can't change those rules, lest they fall apart.
Logged

Offline Scorpion

  • DTF.org Member
  • *
  • Posts: 6253
  • Gender: Male
  • Ragnarök around the Clöck!
Re: An outbreak of common sense from The Dalai Lama?
« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2012, 05:32:48 PM »
I think Adami's arguing that buddhism is more of a philosophy than a religion, which doesn't make this behaviour all that uncommon.

EDIT: :ninja:
Logged
Quote from: Dublagent66 on January 21, 2011, 06:39:21 PM
Boobs are a perfect representation of the universe.  They are circles within circles.  What is the single most common shape in the universe?  Circles.  When I look at boobs, I think of the big bang.

Offline theseoafs

  • When the lights go down in the city, and the sun shines on the bayyyyy
  • Posts: 4406
  • Gender: Male
  • Hello! My name is Elder Price
Re: An outbreak of common sense from The Dalai Lama?
« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2012, 05:37:15 PM »
Quote from: Adami on September 19, 2012, 05:20:44 PM
Well doesn't philosophy in general adapt to find the truth and not hold the world to the standards they made up? Meaning don't most philosophies change when they are presented with a valid argument against?

The thing about philosophy is that we've been doing it for over two thousand years and haven't been able to agree on even the most fundamental issues.  I don't think there is a single nontrivial philosophical claim which has been accepted as "true" without dispute; philosophers disagree about literally everything.  You'd think that if philosophies change when they're presented with a valid objection, there'd be at least a bit of consensus by now.
Logged
beware the seoafs

Offline Adami

  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 21194
  • Gender: Male
  • Local Deadpool Corps. Representative
    • Of Two Minds
Re: An outbreak of common sense from The Dalai Lama?
« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2012, 05:38:51 PM »
Fair enough. My original points about Buddhism still stand.
Logged

Offline theseoafs

  • When the lights go down in the city, and the sun shines on the bayyyyy
  • Posts: 4406
  • Gender: Male
  • Hello! My name is Elder Price
Re: An outbreak of common sense from The Dalai Lama?
« Reply #25 on: September 19, 2012, 05:39:21 PM »
Cool beans.
Logged
beware the seoafs

Offline Adami

  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 21194
  • Gender: Male
  • Local Deadpool Corps. Representative
    • Of Two Minds
Re: An outbreak of common sense from The Dalai Lama?
« Reply #26 on: September 19, 2012, 05:39:52 PM »
Logged

Offline theseoafs

  • When the lights go down in the city, and the sun shines on the bayyyyy
  • Posts: 4406
  • Gender: Male
  • Hello! My name is Elder Price
Re: An outbreak of common sense from The Dalai Lama?
« Reply #27 on: September 19, 2012, 05:42:54 PM »
Logged
beware the seoafs

Offline bosk1

  • I work in mysterious ways
  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 8623
Re: An outbreak of common sense from The Dalai Lama?
« Reply #28 on: September 19, 2012, 05:45:54 PM »
Quote from: Adami on September 19, 2012, 05:39:52 PM
Ew.

Still waiting on my grape popsicle.
Logged

Offline Adami

  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 21194
  • Gender: Male
  • Local Deadpool Corps. Representative
    • Of Two Minds
Re: An outbreak of common sense from The Dalai Lama?
« Reply #29 on: September 19, 2012, 05:47:03 PM »
Quote from: bosk1 on September 19, 2012, 05:45:54 PM
Quote from: Adami on September 19, 2012, 05:39:52 PM
Ew.

Still waiting on my grape popsicle.

I picked red, Chino get orange. Grape's probably still in the freezer with the beans.
Logged

Offline bosk1

  • I work in mysterious ways
  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 8623
Re: An outbreak of common sense from The Dalai Lama?
« Reply #30 on: September 19, 2012, 05:57:48 PM »
brb...

EDIT:  Whoa!  Just went to the office freezer.  There were no popsicles, but there IS a huge box of ice cream sandwiches, eskimo pies, and drum sticks!  :metal
Logged

Offline theseoafs

  • When the lights go down in the city, and the sun shines on the bayyyyy
  • Posts: 4406
  • Gender: Male
  • Hello! My name is Elder Price
Re: An outbreak of common sense from The Dalai Lama?
« Reply #31 on: September 19, 2012, 06:26:37 PM »
Hold on, mister.  No drum sticks until you eat your beans.
Logged
beware the seoafs

Online Scheavo

  • Posts: 4793
Re: An outbreak of common sense from The Dalai Lama?
« Reply #32 on: September 19, 2012, 07:08:50 PM »
Quote from: theseoafs on September 19, 2012, 05:37:15 PM
Quote from: Adami on September 19, 2012, 05:20:44 PM
Well doesn't philosophy in general adapt to find the truth and not hold the world to the standards they made up? Meaning don't most philosophies change when they are presented with a valid argument against?

The thing about philosophy is that we've been doing it for over two thousand years and haven't been able to agree on even the most fundamental issues.  I don't think there is a single nontrivial philosophical claim which has been accepted as "true" without dispute; philosophers disagree about literally everything.  You'd think that if philosophies change when they're presented with a valid objection, there'd be at least a bit of consensus by now.

Including, ironically, what philosophy is. For me, philosophy isn't about the answers, its about how those answers arise. Philosophy trains you to question what you think to be true, and to defend why you think it is true. Philosophers agree almost completely as to what is a fallacy and what is logical.

Which also isn't to say that philosophy hasn't helped science come up with answers. Hell, it came up with science and the scientific method.
Logged

Offline Super Dude

  • Ultimate God of Erotic Creation
  • DTF.com Member
  • **
  • Posts: 16184
  • Gender: Male
  • Mentlegen.
    • Hopped on Pop
Re: An outbreak of common sense from The Dalai Lama?
« Reply #33 on: September 19, 2012, 09:44:16 PM »
Maybe it's been said already, but I do believe there was discussion of this very statement a week ago in the chat thread.
Logged
Kooloo Lim-PAH!
My blog: http://www.hoppedonpop.com/

Offline Rathma

  • Posts: 547
  • oh no she didnt
Re: An outbreak of common sense from The Dalai Lama?
« Reply #34 on: September 19, 2012, 11:01:53 PM »
Quote from: bosk1 on September 19, 2012, 04:48:29 PM
Quote from: Odysseus on September 19, 2012, 03:21:19 PM


An interesting quote from the big guy....  :hat

What do you guys reckon?  I'm talking content rather than delivery here....

:tup  If only more people grounded their ethics on God rather than religion, the world would be a much better place.

wooooooooooooooooooooooooosh
Logged
Pages: [1] 2 3   Go Up
« previous next »