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What are the 3 best songs on Clockwork Angels?

Caravan
71 (12.2%)
BU2B
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Clockwork Angels
85 (14.6%)
The Anarchist
44 (7.6%)
Carnies
19 (3.3%)
Halo Effect
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Seven Cities of Gold
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The Wreckers
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Headlong Flight
87 (14.9%)
BU2B2
4 (0.7%)
Wish Them Well
16 (2.7%)
The Garden
132 (22.7%)

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Re: Rush v. Dirk, Pratt & Lerxst
« Reply #2030 on: June 27, 2017, 10:52:56 AM »
Just listened to "My Fave Headache" again for the first time in a while.  I love this album.  You cant help but hear Rush but in a relaxed presentation.  This album gave me some insight as to who in Rush was writing the emotional yet uplifting chord progressions.  Runaway Train is outstanding.

Anyone else love this album?  Admittedly my opinion is peppered with a healthy dose of Rush fanboyism.

I love My Favorite Headache.

Slipping, Still, and Grace to Grace all lined-up was a tremendous way to end the album.

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« Reply #2031 on: June 27, 2017, 12:12:45 PM »
Still and Slipping are my favorites.
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« Reply #2033 on: June 27, 2017, 12:55:40 PM »
Still and Slipping are my favorites.
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« Reply #2034 on: June 27, 2017, 06:54:13 PM »
Just listened to "My Fave Headache" again for the first time in a while.  I love this album.  You cant help but hear Rush but in a relaxed presentation.  This album gave me some insight as to who in Rush was writing the emotional yet uplifting chord progressions.  Runaway Train is outstanding.

Anyone else love this album?  Admittedly my opinion is peppered with a healthy dose of Rush fanboyism.

It's a good record.  It's like another Presto, in the sense that it is one of the more easy listening albums by (a member of) Rush.  It's a nice, easy listen.

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« Reply #2035 on: June 28, 2017, 01:30:02 AM »
"Working at perfect, certainly not me,  success to failure, is a matter of degrees". 😎
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« Reply #2036 on: July 02, 2017, 08:10:29 PM »
Just listened to "My Fave Headache" again for the first time in a while.  I love this album.  You cant help but hear Rush but in a relaxed presentation.  This album gave me some insight as to who in Rush was writing the emotional yet uplifting chord progressions.  Runaway Train is outstanding.

Anyone else love this album?  Admittedly my opinion is peppered with a healthy dose of Rush fanboyism.

I easily listen to this album more than just about any Rush album from the '70s. It's just so damned accessible. I don't really hear much Rush at all in this though save for maybe the title track. But I totally agree about it being uplifting.

I love Victor too, but don't listen to it as much. Have to be in that space, but that's a killer album as well.

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« Reply #2037 on: July 02, 2017, 08:16:39 PM »
Just listened to "My Fave Headache" again for the first time in a while.  I love this album.  You cant help but hear Rush but in a relaxed presentation.  This album gave me some insight as to who in Rush was writing the emotional yet uplifting chord progressions.  Runaway Train is outstanding.

Anyone else love this album?  Admittedly my opinion is peppered with a healthy dose of Rush fanboyism.

It's a good record.  It's like another Presto, in the sense that it is one of the more easy listening albums by (a member of) Rush.  It's a nice, easy listen.

I sort of get what you're saying

I think it's much heavier and deeper than Presto. (It's also a lot better produced and a lot more polished than Presto also.)

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« Reply #2038 on: July 03, 2017, 10:55:12 AM »
Not better than Presto, but a good album. Geddy wanted to get a solo album out of his system while Neil was on a five year hiatus due to the tragedies he was enduring.
 At first I was thrown off by the lack of guitar solos, probably because I was used to Rush songs. I just had to remember it was a Geddy Lee solo album and not a Geddy and Alex album. lol!  Plus the lack of guitar solos was a bit of a 90's trend.
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« Reply #2039 on: July 03, 2017, 03:24:24 PM »
I think it's probably more accurate to say that Geddy had reached the point where he figured Rush was done and he needed to write and be creative.  That said, I mostly agree with your post.  :tup :tup

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« Reply #2040 on: July 03, 2017, 05:31:23 PM »
Well, they said they had no idea if Rush would go on.  They were all for one and one for all.  So while they were worrying and waiting on Neil both had an outlet.
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« Reply #2041 on: July 05, 2017, 06:51:46 AM »
Well hopefully we will see more solo work from Ged and Alex as I guess Neil is done.  But I expect additional literary work from Neil which has always been pretty good.
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« Reply #2042 on: July 05, 2017, 11:18:15 AM »
I think Rush will record one more album, perhaps followed by a smaller tour with an opening act..
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« Reply #2043 on: July 05, 2017, 11:19:28 AM »
I think Rush will record one more album, perhaps followed by a smaller tour with an opening act..

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« Reply #2044 on: July 05, 2017, 11:47:51 AM »
I'm hoping like The Who and do a small 10 to 12 city tour in the big market cities
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« Reply #2045 on: July 05, 2017, 01:06:32 PM »
I'm hoping like The Who and do a small 10 to 12 city tour in the big market cities
That would make the perfect co-headlining tour!!!   :metal
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« Reply #2046 on: July 05, 2017, 05:57:32 PM »
Fellas, it is time to let go. Geddy can't sing worth a damn live anymore, and Neil is done.  It's over.  I have accepted it; it's time for you to as well. :coolio

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« Reply #2047 on: July 05, 2017, 06:05:56 PM »
Fellas, it is time to let go. Geddy can't sing worth a damn live anymore, and Neil is done.  It's over.  I have accepted it; it's time for you to as well. :coolio

They still owe us one album contractually so that still makes me smile.
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Re: Rush v. Dirk, Pratt & Lerxst
« Reply #2048 on: July 05, 2017, 06:31:30 PM »
Which tour was it where Geddy's voice last sounded rock solid. Early 90's? or earlier? Later?

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« Reply #2049 on: July 05, 2017, 06:33:20 PM »
Fellas, it is time to let go. Geddy can't sing worth a damn live anymore, and Neil is done.  It's over.  I have accepted it; it's time for you to as well. :coolio

They still owe us one album contractually so that still makes me smile.

"Contractually"?

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« Reply #2050 on: July 05, 2017, 06:54:40 PM »
Yes. They owe the record company one more.  Us fans should rejoice!
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« Reply #2051 on: July 05, 2017, 07:18:05 PM »
Which tour was it where Geddy's voice last sounded rock solid. Early 90's? or earlier? Later?
He sounded better than ever on the R30 tour imho. He sounded just fine on the R40 tour in Seattle. The R40 dvd doesn't do it justice,he must have had an off night or was sick or something like that.
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« Reply #2052 on: July 05, 2017, 07:32:16 PM »
Yes. They owe the record company one more.  Us fans should rejoice!

It'll be all studio left overs, rareties, and covers.











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« Reply #2053 on: July 06, 2017, 05:09:23 AM »
Rush is done.. :-[

Even if Geddy and Alex wanted to do another album, Neil sure as hell doesn't.

They had a fantastic run. They also left us one of the greatest album discographies of all time to enjoy!

I would be very surprised if Rush did something together again..

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« Reply #2054 on: July 06, 2017, 06:35:34 AM »
Yes. They owe the record company one more.  Us fans should rejoice!

It'll be all studio left overs, rareties, and covers.











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Re: Rush v. Dirk, Pratt & Lerxst
« Reply #2055 on: July 06, 2017, 07:05:02 AM »
Unfortunatly I think that too. In their last documentary,  It really seemed that he was enjoying much more his motocycles rides than the shows (I know he was never really a fan of touring, but still...). He even said that he regretted to accept do the tour. Even after the final show, he runned from the stage to do whatever he always did, while Ged and Alex stood together, kinda conforting each other, in a such delicate moment. Sorry, but I've got the enormous impression that Neil was reaaally disconnected from the band on R40 tour.
About recording again, I also believe that will not happen. Neil always sets a very high bar to his performance and given that nowadays he is basically a retired drummer, I think he believes that he will not deliver a studio performance at an aceeptable level for his standarts. Neil is a complex guy and a bit strange IMO (I'm a big fan, but, despite all the things he went through in life, I already thought this before it all happened).
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« Reply #2056 on: July 06, 2017, 07:34:28 AM »
Yeah, Neil is definitely a candidate for "Rock God Who Most Wishes He Was Not A Rock God".

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« Reply #2057 on: July 06, 2017, 07:36:22 AM »
Yeah, Neil is definitely a candidate for "Rock God Who Most Wishes He Was Not A Rock God".
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Re: Rush v. Dirk, Pratt & Lerxst
« Reply #2058 on: July 06, 2017, 09:06:39 AM »
It's my understanding that Neil lost interest in the TOURING, not the band or the music.   I wouldn't be surprised if we saw more Rush at some point.  Perhaps the lack of touring would open vistas and we would see something different.  Maybe - akin to the difference between "Neal Morse" and "The Neal Morse Band", we would see an album by this little outfit called "Lee Lifeson and Peart" that is wholly unlike Rush as we know it.


As for the "contractual album", I have mixed emotions; I would love a Rush rarities disk, with live songs, unreleased songs, and b-sides, but I fear it would be comprised of:

1. Vital Signs (Live b-side)
2. Not Fade Away
3. You Can't Fight It
4. Fancy Dancer (Live, 1974)
6. Bad Boy (Live, 1974)
7. Garden Road (Live, 1974)
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« Reply #2059 on: July 06, 2017, 09:45:29 AM »
I remember reading a recent article with Alex and he said Rush isn't done yet. That could at least mean that there might be another studio album. Things are pretty hush hush right now on their website. It has been over five year's since their last studio album, hopefully there is one more in them.
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« Reply #2060 on: July 06, 2017, 05:36:34 PM »
Which tour was it where Geddy's voice last sounded rock solid. Early 90's? or earlier? Later?

It was a slow decline, but it seems like the big decline happened in the late 00s.  He was still good on the two legs of the S&A tour (although not nearly what he had been), but then they did the Time Machine tour and the different was noticeable.

Which tour was it where Geddy's voice last sounded rock solid. Early 90's? or earlier? Later?
He sounded better than ever on the R30 tour imho. He sounded just fine on the R40 tour in Seattle. The R40 dvd doesn't do it justice,he must have had an off night or was sick or something like that.

Better than ever?  Well, to each his own. :biggrin:

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« Reply #2061 on: July 06, 2017, 08:16:30 PM »
It's my understanding that Neil lost interest in the TOURING, not the band or the music. 

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I never really had an "interest"....he's made vocal his distaste of touring for a long time.  But the *big* change was his physical ability.   He personally feels he has gotten to a point so as to be incapable of being 100% any more.   He promised himself that when it hit that particular point, it was over.   He honored that promise to himself.     

In fact, he almost made it sound like he hit that point after the CA tour, and got strong armed into the R40 tour.
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« Reply #2062 on: July 06, 2017, 08:39:49 PM »
I think he only agreed to it because it was such a short tour.  That is why I am 100% confident that it's done.  I don't see him ever changing his mind.  He is only going to get older, his body is already kicking his ass, and coming to the front of the stage at the end of their last show was symbolic for him; he did that because he knew it was their final show. 

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« Reply #2063 on: July 06, 2017, 11:44:18 PM »
I never really had an "interest"....he's made vocal his distaste of touring for a long time.  But the *big* change was his physical ability.   He personally feels he has gotten to a point so as to be incapable of being 100% any more.   He promised himself that when it hit that particular point, it was over.   He honored that promise to himself.     

In fact, he almost made it sound like he hit that point after the CA tour, and got strong armed into the R40 tour.
I think you're correct in that he probably felt he hit that point after the CA tour, but he did not get "strong armed" into doing the R40 tour. I recall reading an article or interview with him, where he promised himself he wouldn't do any more touring *unless* someone else in the band said that they thought one more tour would be it for them (since they were worried they wouldn't be able to do it after said tour). Alex pretty much said exactly that, and Neil, being the principled man that he is (even if just living up to an agreement he made to himself) willingly agreed to do the tour.
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« Reply #2064 on: July 07, 2017, 03:24:48 AM »
I think he only agreed to it because it was such a short tour.  That is why I am 100% confident that it's done.  I don't see him ever changing his mind.  He is only going to get older, his body is already kicking his ass, and coming to the front of the stage at the end of their last show was symbolic for him; he did that because he knew it was their final show.
And at that moment, I think, Geddy and Alex knew it as well.

It's over.

But they couldn't have gotten out in a better way and with more style. It was a PERFECT ending.