Rush v. Dirk, Pratt, & Lerxst

[Mladen]

Jacob's ladder would be amazing. Especially because it's one of those rare ''early'' songs that Geddy can pull off vocally without a hitch.

[Nick]

I guess we have a year of speculation to look forward to, of fans saying, "Maybe they will play this song," about a song Geddy Lee has no chance of singing well live anymore, only for the set list to surface and not see any of those songs anywhere near it.

Yup. Though I can certainly see, and we will hopefully see them continue to dig deep on the 80's and 90's records.

[King Postwhore]

Well I'll through flames on the fire.  What I'd like to see.


Vapor Trail
Totem
The Big Wheel
Kid Gloves

[KevShmev]

I seem to remember some website that actually keeps track of how long it's been since they've played every song in their catalog?  Where's that when you need it?

https://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/rush/setlists.php

[RodrigoAltaf]

Well I'll through flames on the fire.  What I'd like to see.


Vapor Trail
Totem
The Big Wheel
Kid Gloves

Iīd love to hear all of these! And Iīll also add:
Nocturne
Freeze
We Hold On
Jacobīs Ladder
Cut to the Chase
Double Agent

[jammindude]

I seem to remember some website that actually keeps track of how long it's been since they've played every song in their catalog?  Where's that when you need it?

https://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/rush/setlists.php

Well yes, but just before...I think it was the Time Machine Tour?....someone had a list of every single song *with exactly the last time it was played* right next to it.   

While everyone is suggesting Freeze, I would go ahead and just say outright that I would like to hear the whole "Fear Suite" done in its entirety...which hasn't been done in 30 years...and never with Freeze. 

[RodrigoAltaf]

I seem to remember some website that actually keeps track of how long it's been since they've played every song in their catalog?  Where's that when you need it?

https://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/rush/setlists.php

 Agreed! And it will be the first time in the history of rock and roll that a "trilogy of four songs" is played. How Canadian of thm to pull that off, eh?

Well yes, but just before...I think it was the Time Machine Tour?....someone had a list of every single song *with exactly the last time it was played* right next to it.   

While everyone is suggesting Freeze, I would go ahead and just say outright that I would like to hear the whole "Fear Suite" done in its entirety...which hasn't been done in 30 years...and never with Freeze.

[Anguyen92]

While everyone is suggesting Freeze, I would go ahead and just say outright that I would like to hear the whole "Fear Suite" done in its entirety...which hasn't been done in 30 years...and never with Freeze.

Well now with the suggestion of hearing the whole "Fear Suite" makes me want to go back and listen to all the songs from there.  I'm only really familiar with Witch Hunt and Freeze.

[jammindude]

While everyone is suggesting Freeze, I would go ahead and just say outright that I would like to hear the whole "Fear Suite" done in its entirety...which hasn't been done in 30 years...and never with Freeze.

Well now with the suggestion of hearing the whole "Fear Suite" makes me want to go back and listen to all the songs from there.  I'm only really familiar with Witch Hunt and Freeze.

Truth be told...I'm not that big on The Enemy Within.   But The Weapon is absolutely my favorite of the entire suite and it's not even close.    And I think it's been awhile since they played that one as well.   (can't remember if I've ever seen that played or not...sometimes the old shows get blurry in your memory)

[King Postwhore]

GUP and PW's tour they played "THe Weapon"  OOOOOHHHH  SCAAAARY!!!!!

[ytserush]

Pretty much as expected. Possible tour in 2015 and album in 2016.




I was hoping for R42 myself. Would have made so much more sense for an R42 tour. My wallet would have liked that a lot better too.


I just hope they're not selling tickets a year or more out. I don't want them holding my money for that long.

[jjrock88]

I'm cool with them doing anything they want at this point.  They can take as long of a break as they want.  Any new material at this point is just a cherry on top.

[nicmos]

absolutely agree.  who else is making great new albums (that truly rock) at 60?  not anyone I'm aware of.  they're going to be legends if they can pull of another one like Clockwork Angels.  I mean, they're already legends, but they'll be legen--wait for it--dary for putting out great albums at the stage when every other band is just on the greatest hits milking machine, putting out mellow tunes that are a shadow of their glory, or has hung it up for good already.

[Nick]

The Weapon and The Enemy Within are two of my favorite songs from that era, and so I'd really love them to play Fear. If they include Freeze that would be cool, but there are several other lesser played tracks from that album I'd love a lot more, especially Nocturne and Vapor Trails.

IF they tour in 2014 my primary goal is to make it to opening night again, wherever that may be. Being there on the last tour was a mind-blowing experience. I can't imagine I'll see such a mind-numbing unlikely setlist again, but I can hope.

Finally, I hope for a particular show... last tour they played the Allentown Fair, which holds 10k people max. September 12th will see the Eagles as the first concert playing the PP&L center here in Allentown. Max capacity for a concert for that is also 10k. Be amazing if I could walk to see Rush for a second time.

[KevShmev]

I have long suspected that Freeze is one of those songs that Alex referred to in Contents Under Pressure when he said that quite a few of the VT songs are not playable live, likely cause they were so recorded with so many layers and overdubs, that playing them live would strip them down too much, and the songs would suffer if that happen. 

In the case of Freeze, some of that guitar-playing in the verses (like that comes in around 5 seconds into the song), which almost sounds like quirky little guitar scrapings (for lack of a better term), probably wouldn't translate well live, and the song would sound messy and noisy as a result.  The power chords would obviously be no problem, but I just fear that other guitar stuff wouldn't translate well live.

[jammindude]

I have long suspected that Freeze is one of those songs that Alex referred to in Contents Under Pressure when he said that quite a few of the VT songs are not playable live, likely cause they were so recorded with so many layers and overdubs, that playing them live would strip them down too much, and the songs would suffer if that happen. 

In the case of Freeze, some of that guitar-playing in the verses (like that comes in around 5 seconds into the song), which almost sounds like quirky little guitar scrapings (for lack of a better term), probably wouldn't translate well live, and the song would sound messy and noisy as a result.  The power chords would obviously be no problem, but I just fear that other guitar stuff wouldn't translate well live.

That would be a shame.   Easily my favorite VT song....with Ghost Rider a close second.    (which is another track I wouldn't mind seeing come back...)

[Nick]

Ghost Rider is probably next on my list, behind the two I already mentioned.

[KevShmev]

I like Ghost Rider quite a bit, but I definitely like Freeze, Nocturne, Vapor Trail and Earthshine way more.

[Nick]

I'll be pretty happy as long as Secret Touch doesn't come back before any of those other mentioned. What a stinker live.

[KevShmev]

I mostly agree.  Talk about a noisy song that becomes even noisier live.  Plus, hearing, "The way out is the way in," 174 times in the song doesn't help.

[RodrigoAltaf]

I agree on all counts about Secret Touch - I was never a fan of this song. Itīs such a long way from the early 80īs where Rush songs had a lot of breathing space. Think about most songs on Moving Pictures where they seemed to go on a "less is more" approach, much like their much admired The Police did back then. 

Also about Secret Touch, it doesnīt help that the main riff of the song is a ripoff from Zeppelinīs The Song Remains the Same.

[nicmos]

I don't care what you say, Secret Touch is still my favorite on VT.  Some of the songs don't translate as well to the live setting, but it kicks ass on the album (so does The Song Remains The Same, for that matter.)
 

[ytserush]

I'll be pretty happy as long as Secret Touch doesn't come back before any of those other mentioned. What a stinker live.

Wrong answer!
Listen to Geddy's bass playing and the jam at the end of the song. The R30 version may even be better than the Vapor Trails one.

But to the larger point. I don't think we hear much of anything from Vapor Trails (as much as I'd love to) because it understandably has too many bad memories for Neil.




I'm sure most of you have seen this already, but here's a preview of the box.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw-kOUazxUw

What's funny is that either they couldn't get a decent copy of the Moon pressing to reproduce (or they've pre-scratched the record for the sake of authenticity!)

Okay...well I think it's funny.....

[KevShmev]

So, uh, remember the people who thought Rush took themselves too seriously?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfFz3ov7Kn0

 

[jammindude]

This prize is up for auction to the highest bidder....all proceeds go to charity. 

Obviously, there is *no way* that I could afford even half the amount that I'm sure this will end up going for....but it makes me cry just thinking about it.

https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2014/04/06/3987/Grapes-Under-Pressure-Wine-Event-with-Geddy-Lee-and-Alex-Lifeson-charity-auction

[Anguyen92]

This prize is up for auction to the highest bidder....all proceeds go to charity. 

Obviously, there is *no way* that I could afford even half the amount that I'm sure this will end up going for....but it makes me cry just thinking about it.

https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2014/04/06/3987/Grapes-Under-Pressure-Wine-Event-with-Geddy-Lee-and-Alex-Lifeson-charity-auction

Damn dudes at that current bid.   Do I really believe that it is the actual value that people are willingly going to give?  It's insanely way more than that estimated value.

[jammindude]

This prize is up for auction to the highest bidder....all proceeds go to charity. 

Obviously, there is *no way* that I could afford even half the amount that I'm sure this will end up going for....but it makes me cry just thinking about it.

https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2014/04/06/3987/Grapes-Under-Pressure-Wine-Event-with-Geddy-Lee-and-Alex-Lifeson-charity-auction

Damn dudes at that current bid.   Do I really believe that it is the actual value that people are willingly going to give?  It's insanely way more than that estimated value.

If I had $20,000 to give to charity to travel with Geddy and Alex on a private plane and get to hang out with them for two days just geeking out on wine?  I would consider it a bargin. 

[jjrock88]

If I win the lottery in the next two weeks I am totally winning this

[ytserush]

This prize is up for auction to the highest bidder....all proceeds go to charity. 

Obviously, there is *no way* that I could afford even half the amount that I'm sure this will end up going for....but it makes me cry just thinking about it.

https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2014/04/06/3987/Grapes-Under-Pressure-Wine-Event-with-Geddy-Lee-and-Alex-Lifeson-charity-auction

Damn dudes at that current bid.   Do I really believe that it is the actual value that people are willingly going to give?  It's insanely way more than that estimated value.

If I had $20,000 to give to charity to travel with Geddy and Alex on a private plane and get to hang out with them for two days just geeking out on wine?  I would consider it a bargin.

That would be cool and all, but I think I'd rather take that money and save it for the shows.

[The Curious Orange]

The songs I'd most like to hear make a comeback (or debut) in the setlist are:

Chain Lightning
Prime Mover
The Big Wheel
Cold Fire
Peaceable Kingdom
We Hold On
Xanadu


Plus Bravado again, which I love. Also love Secret Touch. btw.

[jammindude]

Here's a question I've probably heard the answer to before and just forgot....

Somewhere out there, there is a complete pro-shot Moving Pictures show on video. (ie...lost footage from the ESL home video) Does anyone have any idea what ever became of it? Who was the company that produced it?

[ytserush]

Here's a question I've probably heard the answer to before and just forgot....

Somewhere out there, there is a complete pro-shot Moving Pictures show on video. (ie...lost footage from the ESL home video) Does anyone have any idea what ever became of it? Who was the company that produced it?

First time I've ever heard this.  Back then the format could only hold about an hour.  What didn't make it ended up on the cutting room floor where it was left to deteriorate. No thought was given to bonus footage or anything like that.  I'd like to believe that as much as anyone, but those considerations weren't given any thought back then.

What's interesting is that there is a clip of pro-shot footage from the All The World's A Stage/a Farewell To Kings era that shows up briefly in Beyond The Lighted Stage that nobody seems to have identified yet.


There is some 8 mm audience footage out there. About 15 mintues or so from California I think.

[ytserush]

Anyone else get the Rush reissue?

Haven't listened to it yet, but I looked at all the goodies. My favorites are the reproduction of the master tape cover that shows catalog numbers and dates and the family tree.  I knew most of it, but there were some gaps that it filled in for me.

Still can't escape the feeling that this could have been so much more though. But I also get the band not really wanting to get too involved with it.

[Nick]

Family Tree is indeed cool, probably my favorite odd and end bit of the set.

[ytserush]

It's a little strange that I have to store this and the the Clockwork Angels Tour Live box (which are essentially bookends) away from the rest of the CDs  as they won't fit.

 Although I suppose that this box should be filed with the vinyl since there aren't any CDs in it unless I use the download code.