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Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
« Reply #1680 on: April 14, 2017, 01:38:44 PM »
And as difficult as they are, they're sacrifices I'm happy to make.  There was a time when I never would've imagined being able to play all of Bark at the Moon correctly.  I'll happily accept some fatigue as the payment for now being able to do something, I never thought I could.

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« Reply #1681 on: April 14, 2017, 03:20:00 PM »
That's what it's all about.  I mean, I look at guys who've been playing for years, the pros, and they're always talking about trying to improve, learning new things, trying new things.  I used to think "Are you fucking kidding me?"  These guys play 10 times better than I ever will, but they're not slowing down.  And then I realized that it's always a constant journey; you're always looking to grow.  There are songs I can play now that I never could before, either (okay, mostly because I was never in a band good enough to play them), but I'm 55 this year and still pushing.  Players gotta play.

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« Reply #1682 on: April 18, 2017, 11:21:58 AM »
So as discussed in the GD char thread, it appears I'll have to learn 3 songs for this fill-in gig.  Lonesome Loser, Jessie's Girl, and a Volbeat song called Lola Montez.  They're all pretty straightforward, so it shouldn't be a problem.  I do need to dust off all the old stuff and make sure I remember it all.  It's a LOT of material to remember, but I played the stuff for long enough, that I should be able to remember it all with a minimum amount of effort.  *crosses fingers*

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Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
« Reply #1683 on: April 18, 2017, 11:34:25 AM »
Good luck!! :tup


I'm pretty tired these days, but there is much music to be made!

Recorder quartet was last Thursday; it went well.  Small but appreciative audience.

Friday was to be the second rehearsal for the one-off band we're putting together for the charity thing, but our singer ended up in the E.R. Thursday night, was released Friday, but was taking some time to rest.  We'd penciled in a rehearsal for Monday (last night) because the gig's this Friday, and losing last Friday's rehearsal changed last night's from "maybe" to "definitely".  So we rehearsed last night.

Oh yeah, in between, Sunday morning was Easter of course, so the church choir did three pieces from Handel's Messiah.  I swear to God, Handel must've had an ex-boyfriend who was a Tenor who pissed him off or something because Handel writes absolutely sadistic Tenor parts.  We opened with the Hallelujah Chorus, and it was the easiest of the three pieces we did.  We closed the service with the final piece from the oratorio, so there are like 10 pages of "Amens" going on and on and building and getting higher and higher and more complicated and parts are interweaving and pretty soon the Tenors need oxygen masks.  Holy Crap!  Like, literally.  But we did it.

Easter Morning, we traditionally augment the choir with "real brass", but it's getting harder and harder to find trumpets and/or trombones to play, and we don't have a huge budget.  So just like last year, Brian and I played saxophones, which are made of brass, so technically that counts.  Unlike last year, Brian played his tenor sax; I stuck with my alto.  It sounded sweet.  So singing three tunes, playing sax on two more, plus other incidental stuff (Doxology, etc.)

Back to the one-off band.  After last night's rehearsal, there were serious concerns about even doing the gig Friday.  Bill (guitar) and Ryan (drums) have been "so busy lately" that they haven't had time to practice any of the tunes.  Haven't even had time to listen to them.  And it showed.  But seriously, are you fucking kidding me??  Three weeks, you haven't found even an hour to listen to the fucking songs?  Bill is the most concerned, and I guess it's really his gig and not Mike and Karen's, but he's just been "so busy lately".  Mike asked him something, and I didn't hear the question, but Bill said "Yeah, we can listen to music at work.  I could at least listen to them."

Three weeks.  Hasn't even listened to the songs.

Two days after the song list went out, I'd downloaded the few I didn't already have, uploaded all 12 of the original songs to my Dropbox, and sent links out to everyone on the mailing list.  Everybody had mp3's of all the songs three weeks ago, downloadable or streamable.  I also loaded them onto my iPod in a new playlist, and put them all on a flashdrive for in my car.  I've been listening to them over and over for three weeks.  When we added some new songs because some of the first batch weren't looking good, I added them as well, to the Dropbox and and my flashdrive.  I showed up for the first rehearsal with charts for every song.  I'd already spent a few hours practicing them.  I showed up last night with all 27 songs ready to go.  Our guitarist and drummer have had three weeks and have not even listened to them, and the gig is this Friday.

So Bill looks concerned (and he should).  It's his gig because his wife works at the homeless shelter (the charity we're doing this for) and he jumped at the chance to please his new bride by putting a band together.  Mike had contacted me, but that's because Bill doesn't know any keyboard players.  Anyway, Bill is seriously considering dropping the whole thing, except for one problem: His wife would not be happy.  Thus, Bill (and the rest of us) decide that we will do the gig.

We add another rehearsal, tomorrow night.  It was between Tuesday (tonight) and Wednesday, and I pointed out that Tuesday doesn't make any sense because what we need is time in between to work on the songs individually.  I didn't name names, but fuck, we all knew.  So we're rehearsing again tomorrow night.  Then Thursday I have choir practice, Friday's the gig, then I get up Saturday morning for rehearsal with my regular band, FlashDrive.  I'm tired now.  I'm gonna be exhausted by Saturday.

But these are the sacrifices we make for our art.

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Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
« Reply #1684 on: April 19, 2017, 10:06:55 AM »
Indeed they are.  Best of luck, it sounds like you're going to need it.

And there are few things that irritate me more than people showing up to practice unprepared.  THREE WEEKS?  Complete bullshit.  He had more than enough time to listen to the songs and make them happen.  He just chose other things that he preferred to do.  If it were me, and I didn't feel good about it after tomorrow night, I'm not sure I'd agree to showing up sounding half-assed.  There's simply no excuse for it.

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« Reply #1685 on: April 19, 2017, 11:37:26 AM »
If we had decided not to do the gig, part of me would've been relieved.  First, I wouldn't be playing a gig the night before band practice with my real band.  Second, there is a chance that we'll suck Friday night.  Since we're not getting paid anyway, just blow off the whole thing.

But part of me would also be very pissed off.  I approached this gig like I approach any other gig, professionally.  I learn my parts, I listen to the songs over and over, "playing" along with them in my head while also listening for anything I've missed that they play that should be there.  I knew up front that this would be a relatively low-key thing, and it would be fine if we were all up there with music stands and charts, so I made charts.  I'm ready to play.  To have put in all this work, only to have it called off by the guy who put it together because he himself couldn't be assed to learn his parts, would definitely be piss-worthy.

There's also this: It's not a fund-raiser for the homeless shelter, which is what I believed at first (this was my fault, my misunderstanding).  It's actually an end-of-year party, to celebrate everything they've done this (fiscal?) year, and an excuse to have some fun.  The only attendees will be the residents of the shelter (about 20) and the staff (six or seven).  They don't even know that there will be live music, so it's not like they'll be bummed when they hear that the band pulled out.  They'll show up for the party and be happy with whatever's there.  And along those lines, even if we suck (which we really won't -- we'll have some shaky moments at worst), we'll still be better than nothing, and the best thing these people have heard in a while.

What we have going for us is that we're all pros, even if some of us haven't quite acted like it thus far.  Bill says he hadn't listened to the songs, but nearly all of them are 70's tunes that we've all heard 1000 times.  Even if you've never played them before, you already know how they go, so once you know what key they're in, you can fake your way through them.  The same phenomenon we were just talking about; you can get through a song if you've heard it enough times.  What Bill hasn't done yet is listen "critically" with an ear towards learning and reproducing them.  He'll be okay.

The drummer, Ryan, is a different case.  I'm not sure why he was chosen (possibly he was the only one willing/available), but he's maybe 20 and the reason why he's been so busy is because final exams are coming up and he also has research papers and projects due for classes.  Also, being a full generation younger than us, he did not grow up with these songs and they are not embedded in his brain.  The Beatles tunes, the Doobie Brothers tunes, obvious accents that everyone knows, they completely blew past him because he had no idea that they were there.  He just kept playing 4/4 through everything.  He's the weakest link, and as I said, I'm not even sure why he was tapped for this.

But whatever.  Rehearsal tonight.  I left my gear at Mike's house Monday night.  No sense in hauling it all home, because I wasn't going to set it up again last night and play anything, only to tear it down and pack it up again for tonight, plus I was too damned tired.  We'll see how it goes.  Good thing this isn't a regular band, because I'd be pissed already.  Instead, I'm just annoyed and concerned.

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Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
« Reply #1686 on: April 19, 2017, 12:02:35 PM »
Dude, if I had time, I would totally come to your rescue on drums.  I wouldn't even need to practice.

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« Reply #1687 on: April 19, 2017, 01:23:39 PM »
If that were the case, I'd recommend you.  Seriously, I'd tell Bill that this Ryan guy obviously isn't working out, hasn't learned the songs, but I know a guy who already knows all these tunes.

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« Reply #1688 on: April 20, 2017, 08:15:34 AM »
Feeling better about my group recently. I sent a simply alt rock type song earlier in the week, but one that incorporates some jazzier, colorful, poppier chords - something a lot different than our typical slow, minor key post-rock. Thought I'd get the typical "nah, that's not us" response, but we everyone listened to it and we spent 30 minutes or so last night working on it. Everyone's happy with where it's going, and it feels very "us" with the other guys adding their own twists.

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« Reply #1689 on: April 20, 2017, 12:14:43 PM »
If that were the case, I'd recommend you.  Seriously, I'd tell Bill that this Ryan guy obviously isn't working out, hasn't learned the songs, but I know a guy who already knows all these tunes.
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« Reply #1690 on: April 22, 2017, 06:55:44 AM »
Well, we played the thing.  Ryan the drummer never did learn his parts.  Some but not all, and his tempos sucked.  Bill never did learn his parts.  Some but very few.  And you know what?  They loved us anyway.  They yelled for more.  We gave them more.  They yelled for even more.  We played songs over again that we'd already played because it was all "we" knew.  I still had my stash of another dozen charts ready to go; hell, we could have gone at 'em with just me, Karen, Mike, and Scott.  It would've been fine.  But whatever.  Worst gig I've played in years, but the best time I've had all week.

Any musicians there would have been embarrassed for us, but regular people don't know and don't care.  We played, they liked.  I'll take it.

Tired as hell right now, but I gotta get ready for band practice.  Coffee is ready.

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Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
« Reply #1691 on: April 22, 2017, 01:31:15 PM »
Any musicians there would have been embarrassed for us, but regular people don't know and don't care.

Funny how that works. Being a musician has kinda ruined me for going out to see local bands. I unconsciously hear every mistake. I don't purposely look for them and I don't WANT to hear them, but I can't help it. And I've seen bad bands where the crowd couldn't get enough of them. So weird.

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« Reply #1692 on: April 22, 2017, 07:37:34 PM »
Yep, it's strange.  I can't help but listen to what another is playing and I hear the mistakes and all that.  When they get to that one part, the tricky part, will they get it?  And if they don't, they suck!  But regular people just hear a band.  Someone's playing guitar, someone's banging on drums, someone's singing, most of it sounds reasonably in tune and in time, good enough.

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« Reply #1693 on: April 22, 2017, 07:42:24 PM »
The only picture from the gig where I'm visible.  This'll probably end up in the Picture Thread too because I'm an attention whore.



Orbert (keyboards, sax, vocals), Bill (guitar, vocals), Karen (vocals), Mike (bass, vocals), Scott (percussion, harmonica), Ryan (drums)

We introduced ourselves as Revelation, which was only picked about five minutes before we started, and it doesn't matter anyway because it was a one-off gig.  We're all too busy to start another band on a regular basis.  Nothing like a good one-night stand.