P/R side chat thread, v. I am not a number I am a free man

[theseoafs]

All I ever see him do is mock Christianity and its values.

When was that, again?

[Nick]

Lets face it, Obama is just an Atheist pretending to be a Christian

In that case I'd call him a man of the people, since that's what I'd say most Americans are.

And I love it that you're calling Obama fake and then supporting Romney, who even amongst politicians has shown himself to be one of the least principled, say whatever he needs to, chameleon flip flopping jackasses ever to parade himself around the country.

I'll give you this, of all things he actually has stuck by his Mormon faith, which is hilarious to me because of all the things he has ever claimed to believe in, that is the last one I'd like him to cling to.

[Tick]

All I ever see him do is mock Christianity and its values.

When was that, again?

Didn't he mock Christians saying they stick to there guns? He is very arrogant in his tone all too often.
 I don't expect many here to agree because you guys think the guy is doing a good job while more and more people slip into poverty.

[Tick]

Lets face it, Obama is just an Atheist pretending to be a Christian

In that case I'd call him a man of the people, since that's what I'd say most Americans are.

I'd call him a fraud.

[theseoafs]

All I ever see him do is mock Christianity and its values.

When was that, again?

Didn't he mock Christians saying they stick to there guns? He is very arrogant in his tone all too often.
 I don't expect many here to agree because you guys think the guy is doing a good job while more and more people slip into poverty.

You said that all you ever see him do is mock Christianity and its values.

When I asked you to produce an example of that mockery (which shouldn't have been hard given that he does it all the time), you brought up something vague that doesn't even sound insulting to Christians and which you don't even seem to be sure happened.

Okay.

I'd call him a fraud.

I would too.

[El Barto]

Considering that the only thing most Americans know about Mormonism is that they practice bigamy and like to fuck little kids, I'd say that ABC might actually be doing him a huge favor. 

[Scheavo]

All I ever see him do is mock Christianity and its values.

When was that, again?

Didn't he mock Christians saying they stick to there guns?

Um, no... he didn't say Christians do that, not at all.

[theseoafs]

Isn't it a good thing if somebody "sticks to their guns"?  That's a compliment, isn't it?  It just means you don't, ahem, flip-flop on issues.

Why is Tick upset about the Mormonism special, now?  It's a religion few Americans know very much about, but which has been in the media much more lately thanks to Romney and the Book of Mormon and all those "I'm a Mormon" commercials.  The timing makes sense; it isn't political.

[Tick]

All I ever see him do is mock Christianity and its values.

When was that, again?

Didn't he mock Christians saying they stick to there guns?

Um, no... he didn't say Christians do that, not at all.

He did.
He said that some voters are "clinging to their guns and religion."
whether you like what he said or not, it was a condescending remark.

[Tick]

Isn't it a good thing if somebody "sticks to their guns"?  That's a compliment, isn't it?  It just means you don't, ahem, flip-flop on issues.

Why is Tick upset about the Mormonism special, now?  It's a religion few Americans know very much about, but which has been in the media much more lately thanks to Romney and the Book of Mormon and all those "I'm a Mormon" commercials.  The timing makes sense; it isn't political.

I do not agree with you. Its politically motivated to tear down Romney. That's my opinion.

[El Barto]

Isn't it a good thing if somebody "sticks to their guns"?  That's a compliment, isn't it?  It just means you don't, ahem, flip-flop on issues.

Why is Tick upset about the Mormonism special, now?  It's a religion few Americans know very much about, but which has been in the media much more lately thanks to Romney and the Book of Mormon and all those "I'm a Mormon" commercials.  The timing makes sense; it isn't political.

I do not agree with you. Its politically motivated to tear down Romney. That's my opinion.

Way to stick to your guns, Tick.

[Scheavo]

All I ever see him do is mock Christianity and its values.

When was that, again?

Didn't he mock Christians saying they stick to there guns?

Um, no... he didn't say Christians do that, not at all.

He did.
He said that some voters are "clinging to their guns and religion."
whether you like what he said or not, it was a condescending remark.

That's not saying Christians stick to their guns.

[Tick]

All I ever see him do is mock Christianity and its values.

When was that, again?

Didn't he mock Christians saying they stick to there guns?

Um, no... he didn't say Christians do that, not at all.

He did.
He said that some voters are "clinging to their guns and religion."
whether you like what he said or not, it was a condescending remark.

That's not saying Christians stick to their guns.

Ok. Clarified.

[rumborak]

Obama is as much a fraud when it comes to Christianity as about 80% of all self-proclaimed Christians, the ones finding themselves once in church on December 25th.
And if some people feel the need to give him shit on trying to emphasize the fact that his job is representing people, not gods, eh so be it then. People will find anything I guess.

[kirksnosehair]

Mitt Romney is a man of character, integrity and honor.


Running for Governor of MA:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEmeHnWPbY4




2012: Will become the de-facto standards bearer for the Republican party.  The Republican Party that will adopt as their official party platform that abortion should be illegal in all cases.  Even if the mother will die in childbirth.  Even if she's been raped.  Or even if her own father fucked her and got her pregnant.  No abortion.  Period.  Because they believe in the sanctity of all human life. 


Except, if you commit certain crimes, well, then they're OK with offing your ass.

[eric42434224]

I am personally pro choice, but I can certainly see the point of view of a pro-lifer.  However, I would think that a pro-lifer, with the sanctity of a human life being paramount, would want all abortion outlawed....even in the case of rape and incest.  I have more respect for a pro-lifer to be "all-in" with their beliefs of the sancity of life.  I dont understand the view of, "Well I think abortions should be illegal because the sanctity of LIFE is more important than ANYTHING...except for scenario A, B, C, a side of D, and an extra scoop of E."

[kirksnosehair]

I am personally pro choice, but I can certainly see the point of view of a pro-lifer.  However, I would think that a pro-lifer, with the sanctity of a human life being paramount, would want all abortion outlawed....even in the case of rape and incest.  I have more respect for a pro-lifer to be "all-in" with their beliefs of the sancity of life.  I dont understand the view of, "Well I think abortions should be illegal because the sanctity of LIFE is more important than ANYTHING...except for scenario A, B, C, a side of D, and an extra scoop of E."

The "Sanctity of Life" argument is fine, IF it's consistent.  Unfortunately, with the vast majority of Republicans, it's not.  Otherwise, they would drop the Death Penalty from their platform.  It makes them raging, throbbing, massive hypocrites.

[antigoon]

I mean, I think it can be assumed that most of them mean innocent life, even if they don't say it.

[eric42434224]

I mean, I think it can be assumed that most of them mean innocent life, even if they don't say it.

Isnt every unborn child an innocent life?  Then why say it is OK the have abortions under certain conditions like rape and incest?

[antigoon]

No I agree, I was referring to KNH's point about the death penalty.

[kirksnosehair]

I mean, I think it can be assumed that most of them mean innocent life, even if they don't say it.

Isnt every unborn child an innocent life?  Then why say it is OK the have abortions under certain conditions like rape and incest?

Er, the official Republican Party platform does NOT make any allowances for abortion, period.  In fact, they're calling for a constitutional amendment to ban it 100% in all cases.


And yes, the plank does define the sanctity as limited to "innocent" life, but I find that to be a weakass method of just having it both ways.


All human life is either sacred or it's not sacred

[hefdaddy42]

I love that ABC has a 3 part special on Mormonism right now. Nice. Where were they in 08 when Obama was running? I missed the special on Rev Wright and Obama's Christian faith?

At least Romney is genuine in his convictions and doesn't make them up for gain.
Unlike Obama. Lets face it, Obama is just an Atheist pretending to be a Christian for whatever reason. All I ever see him do is mock Christianity and its values. You ain't fooling anyone. Oh wait, yes you are.

People love to say Obama is really a Muslim. Nope. No way. Obama is way too Narcissistic to worship any supreme being since he hails himself as a god and savior.

I know 95% of this board is liberal and drinks the Obama kool aid but the media blows. A 3 part special on Mormonism. Really?

Have a nice day.

WTF

[antigoon]

http://www.theonion.com/articles/nation-celebrates-full-week-without-deadly-mass-sh,29293/

[Tick]

I love that ABC has a 3 part special on Mormonism right now. Nice. Where were they in 08 when Obama was running? I missed the special on Rev Wright and Obama's Christian faith?

At least Romney is genuine in his convictions and doesn't make them up for gain.
Unlike Obama. Lets face it, Obama is just an Atheist pretending to be a Christian for whatever reason. All I ever see him do is mock Christianity and its values. You ain't fooling anyone. Oh wait, yes you are.

People love to say Obama is really a Muslim. Nope. No way. Obama is way too Narcissistic to worship any supreme being since he hails himself as a god and savior.

I know 95% of this board is liberal and drinks the Obama kool aid but the media blows. A 3 part special on Mormonism. Really?

Have a nice day.

WTF

Whatever.

[El Barto]

http://www.theonion.com/articles/nation-celebrates-full-week-without-deadly-mass-sh,29293/

UPDATE:  Never mind   

As for the sanctity of life bullshit, isn't an underlying premise of their beliefs that nobody's innocent?  I thought that we were all sinners, which would have to include whatever the foetus would eventually become.  As the wise man once said, your birth certificate is proof of guilt.  Insofar as capital punishment goes,  it seems to me that the problem isn't the guilty or lack of innocence, but denying one the ability to atone and make up for his actions.  In fact, I thought that was the whole rationale behind all that judge not bullshit that Jesus went on about.   

[Super Dude]

No I agree, I was referring to KNH's point about the death penalty.

And I guess po' folks aren't innocent souls either, then.

[theseoafs]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-maher/todd-akin-republicans_b_1826617.html

[rumborak]

That's actually pretty accurate.

[Tick]

*BREAKING NEWS*

The Spaghetti Monster has been eaten!

[theseoafs]

Are you talking about the Flying Spaghetti Monster?  If so, I'd take down that picture.  It is wildly offensive to Pastafarians.

[Tick]

Are you talking about the Flying Spaghetti Monster?  If so, I'd take down that picture.  It is wildly offensive to Pastafarians.

fuuny!

[Nick]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-maher/todd-akin-republicans_b_1826617.html

One point in there I very much disagree with, and I'd love to share that on facebook, but there is backlash from religious family I simply can't afford to chance it.

[Sigz]

Things That Shouldn't Be Said In Modern Society To Be Said At Least 1,400 Times At RNC

Throughout the three-day event, as the GOP unveils its 2012 platform and formally nominates its presidential ticket, experts predict words and phrases pertaining to science, health, and justice that are entirely unbefitting 21st-century human civilization will, on average, be voiced every 40 seconds from the podium at the Tampa Bay Times Forum.

...

In stark contrast, scholars noted, several hundred things that desperately needed to be said in modern society would be uttered throughout next week’s Democratic National Convention by gutless speakers who would not possess anything remotely close to the strength or resolve needed to act on them

[j]

Circumcision thread is apparently gone, but I found this interesting.  I'd like to see the details of that report.

http://health.yahoo.net/news/s/ap/circumcision-pluses-outweigh-risks-pediatricians

-J

[Super Dude]

Unsurprisingly, intense partisanship over the past four years has created in me an extreme distaste for politics in general (I know that doesn't seem like the case given my post content here, but it's true). This is the sorta story that keeps me going:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/27/opinion/keller-the-last-bipartisan.html?_r=1&hp