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« Reply #1435 on: July 27, 2017, 04:02:22 PM »
FOX's fixation on naughty teachers continues unabated, but now they're focusing on England, for some reason. America's Summer break, perhaps? Seriously, what the fuck?

Teacher, 28, banned from classroom after allegedly having sex with student on plane
British teacher accused of urging student to masturbate for stress relief keeps job
Oklahoma teacher who cartwheeled without underwear given probation

The Oklahoma link doesn't work. I was hoping for video.
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« Reply #1436 on: July 27, 2017, 04:29:14 PM »
FOX's fixation on naughty teachers continues unabated, but now they're focusing on England, for some reason. America's Summer break, perhaps? Seriously, what the fuck?

Teacher, 28, banned from classroom after allegedly having sex with student on plane
British teacher accused of urging student to masturbate for stress relief keeps job
Oklahoma teacher who cartwheeled without underwear given probation

The Oklahoma link doesn't work. I was hoping for video.
Uh, be careful what you wish for.  In any case I fixed the link. FOX doesn't show the video but other FOX owned sites do.
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« Reply #1437 on: July 27, 2017, 04:35:43 PM »
Assault is a lesser charge than indecent exposure?
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« Reply #1438 on: July 27, 2017, 04:44:46 PM »
Assault is a lesser charge than indecent exposure?

That's what I was thinking. Maybe it has something to do with the sex offender registry. However, I don't see how the two things could be related (assault and indecent exposure). Maybe she wasn't well maintained and they meant that seeing it was an insult, not assault.  :biggrin:
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« Reply #1439 on: July 27, 2017, 04:49:52 PM »
Assault is a lesser charge than indecent exposure?
Legally no. In practice absolutely.  The indecent exposure charge would bring with it a sex offender label that pretty much destroys your life. In Texas the assault charge gets you up to 1 year and a 4k fine. The exposure charge gets you up to 6 months, a 2k fine, and sex offender registration. You take the assault charge every single time. What a world.
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« Reply #1440 on: July 27, 2017, 04:53:03 PM »
Assault is a lesser charge than indecent exposure?
Legally no. In practice absolutely.  The indecent exposure charge would bring with it a sex offender label that pretty much destroys your life. In Texas the assault charge gets you up to 1 year and a 4k fine. The exposure charge gets you up to 6 months, a 2k fine, and sex offender registration. You take the assault charge every single time. What a world.

But she didn't assault anyone. Could you just be offered any charge? Could she be offered public intoxication at this point? It just seems like it's missing the point.
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« Reply #1441 on: July 27, 2017, 05:16:07 PM »
Assault is a lesser charge than indecent exposure?
Legally no. In practice absolutely.  The indecent exposure charge would bring with it a sex offender label that pretty much destroys your life. In Texas the assault charge gets you up to 1 year and a 4k fine. The exposure charge gets you up to 6 months, a 2k fine, and sex offender registration. You take the assault charge every single time. What a world.

But she didn't assault anyone. Could you just be offered any charge? Could she be offered public intoxication at this point? It just seems like it's missing the point.
You got me on that one. I honestly don't know how they came up with that. OK's assault statute is pretty short and sweet.

I guess they can just throw any charge they want at you if they know you'll take it. I've heard of similar things down here. In Texas they'll often offer up "obstructing a highway or waterway" as a plea bargain for DWI cases, for example, even though it probably wouldn't be factually correct.
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« Reply #1442 on: August 08, 2017, 10:25:24 AM »
In non-slutty teacher news, Time put out a simplified version of the points system proposed under the new immigration rules. For the record I don't really have much of a problem with this. However, I do find it interesting that I wouldn't even come close to qualifying. In fact, very few Americans actually would.

http://time.com/4887574/trump-raise-act-immigration/

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Your score: 19
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And my 19 was based on a guess about what my 2 year degree might be worth. It's quite possibly 5 points lower.

On the bright side, I'm really close to being eligible for Canadian immigration. All I'd need is a job offer with a positive labor impact score. I ranked 63/67 on theirs.
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Re: P/R side chat thread, v. I am not a number I am a free man
« Reply #1443 on: August 08, 2017, 10:29:57 AM »
I got a 26 out of 30  :lol 

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« Reply #1444 on: August 08, 2017, 10:34:00 AM »
17 out of 30. I lied about my english and said that I was fluent. It's the only language that I can speak, but I'm a lower middle-class knuckle dragger. There's no way in hell I'm fluent.
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« Reply #1445 on: August 08, 2017, 10:46:34 AM »

28/30

That's the dumbest questionnaire I've seen in awhile. So if you have a job lined up willing to pay you $76,000 per year (more than I make as a homeowner in a city with the 3rd highest mill rate in CT), you get 0 points, but if you have an olympic medal you get 15 points? That's exactly what we need in this country, more people that can run or throw a stick in an open field. You get no points if you plan on investing anything less than $1.35M? I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that 99%+ of Americans will never invest anywhere near that.

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« Reply #1446 on: August 08, 2017, 05:18:37 PM »
Yeah, those criteria are pretty steep. I got 23/30.

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« Reply #1447 on: August 14, 2017, 12:30:20 PM »
Today's horny teacher article (it's early, so probably just the first) is an interesting one.  Seems this lady had the wherewithal to pull a Nugent and secure custody of the lad. Honestly not sure if that works in her favor or not.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/14/ohio-teacher-36-was-impregnated-by-teen-boy-student-during-3-year-sexual-affair-cops-say.html
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« Reply #1448 on: September 08, 2017, 02:22:07 PM »
Sensitive subject, and there's no need to make a thread just for it, but thoughts on this? Some old English guy got 8 months in prison for importing a 'child sex doll' (plus another 8 months for child porn offenses, which is less controversial). I know this is perhaps the last truly taboo subject, and obviously he's a sexually and psychologically troubled character, but does sending him to prison for shagging a lump of latex really help anyone here? At least he took expensive steps to carry out his fantasies on something other than an actual kid. I don't know, maybe he deserves it, just interested to see if anyone has thoughts on it. 

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41203239

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« Reply #1449 on: September 08, 2017, 02:41:51 PM »
It's strange living in a world where depictions of past abuse will get you into more trouble than actually committing the abuse yourself.

The thing with the doll is is a trip, and rife with piss-poor arguments. What isn't a precursor to potential behavior? Seems to me that the same sorts of people who object to a dude porking a latex doll on the basis that he might go out and pork a real one are the same sorts of people who insist that owning a gun doesn't mean that you're going to shoot somebody with it. It's good that they're half right, but a little intellectual consistency would be nice.
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« Reply #1450 on: September 22, 2017, 12:02:23 PM »
Another bumper week for Rupert Murdoch's endlessly entertaining Women Are Predatory Godless Fornicators series, starting with this brazen hussy doing 2 kids a night...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/20/arkansas-high-school-teacher-slept-with-4-students-2-in-same-night-cops-say.html

...and continuing with this filthy cougar having a tumble in the cow shed...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/12/teacher-29-pleads-guilty-to-sex-with-her-boy-student-15-who-worked-on-her-farm.html

...before wrapping up with the token mid-20s blonde who sent nude pictures to an 18 year old student, thus ruining him for life...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/19/substitute-teacher-26-in-court-accused-sex-nude-pics-sent-to-18-year-old-student.html


Unfortunately, and presumably for reasons of space limitation, none of Righteous Rupert's media organs (The Times, The Sun, The Wall Street Journal, The New York Post, Sky, FOX News, HarperCollins Publishers, Dow Jones, and many, many others) have been able to report on the sexual transgressions of apparently every single aging male director of his empire's boards. Any suggestion that his recent obsession with stories of female teachers corrupting America's youth is a diversionary tactic is entirely unfounded.

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« Reply #1451 on: September 22, 2017, 12:15:02 PM »
If you can stomach reading some of the comments, you'll notice that we're starting to see a lot of people claiming that this sort of thing is on the rise. Our moral depravity seems to be increasing. I'd say Rupert is being successful in guiding his minions to their conclusions.

Also, that first woman is facing 40 years or life. WTF? Three of her students were 18 and the 4th lied about his age (he was from another district).
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« Reply #1452 on: September 22, 2017, 12:31:54 PM »
Another bumper week for Rupert Murdoch's endlessly entertaining Women Are Predatory Godless Fornicators series, starting with this brazen hussy doing 2 kids a night...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/20/arkansas-high-school-teacher-slept-with-4-students-2-in-same-night-cops-say.html

...and continuing with this filthy cougar having a tumble in the cow shed...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/12/teacher-29-pleads-guilty-to-sex-with-her-boy-student-15-who-worked-on-her-farm.html

...before wrapping up with the token mid-20s blonde who sent nude pictures to an 18 year old student, thus ruining him for life...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/19/substitute-teacher-26-in-court-accused-sex-nude-pics-sent-to-18-year-old-student.html


Unfortunately, and presumably for reasons of space limitation, none of Righteous Rupert's media organs (The Times, The Sun, The Wall Street Journal, The New York Post, Sky, FOX News, HarperCollins Publishers, Dow Jones, and many, many others) have been able to report on the sexual transgressions of apparently every single aging male director of his empire's boards. Any suggestion that his recent obsession with stories of female teachers corrupting America's youth is a diversionary tactic is entirely unfounded.

Apparently one of those kids must've given Ms. Brazen Hussy her haircut, because...

I got a feed on my phone today about a couple that got jail time because the woman jumped on her boyfriend in the middle of Dominos and consummated the sex act while they were waiting for their (other) pie.   Newsfeed?   Fox. 

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« Reply #1453 on: September 22, 2017, 12:42:40 PM »
I got a feed on my phone today about a couple that got jail time because the woman jumped on her boyfriend in the middle of Dominos and consummated the sex act while they were waiting for their (other) pie.   Newsfeed?   Fox.

It's happening everywhere. Schools, universities, family restaurants, parks. Women are shameless, and America has been going to hell ever since you allowed them to leave the kitchen and have a vote. Listen to the 86-year-old thrice-divorced cradle-robbing Australian media magnate.

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« Reply #1454 on: September 22, 2017, 12:47:05 PM »
From the Sun's article about the slutty one:
A MARRIED female school teacher is accused of having sex with four of her students - including two of them on the same night.
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« Reply #1455 on: September 23, 2017, 05:32:56 AM »
Two more on today's front page, beginning in Barto country...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/22/texas-teacher-accused-inappropriate-relationship-with-student.html

...before scooting across to Georgia...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/22/ex-pe-teacher-40-accused-sex-romp-with-student-again.html


Sample comments on that 2nd article:

"Hey look another due paying Liberal paying member doing what they do best. Molesting Children. No wonder everyone hates the liberal base. Bill Clinton sure made an impact with these women"

And...

"Hopefully all these children can sue the Liberal Democratic party and the Clintons. I am sure we can make a case and show the connections of immorality"



Beware, Republican states, the child molesting libtards are coming for your children now...

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« Reply #1456 on: September 26, 2017, 08:58:00 PM »
Testing....


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« Reply #1457 on: September 26, 2017, 09:58:57 PM »
Testing....


Ok, weird, it won't let me post in the Trump thread, so I was just checking if I got booted out of PR (which would be odd since I haven't really posted much)

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« Reply #1458 on: October 03, 2017, 09:43:43 PM »
Hey folks, quick thing I was curious about but don't like starting threads.


Why do we think so many racists/anti-semites/etc etc. are attracted to Trump?

This isn't a Trump is racist or whatever thing. I'm just curious why you think so many of those types of people are big Trump supporters?
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« Reply #1459 on: October 03, 2017, 10:45:20 PM »
Oh, is that all?

I think a great deal of it is a combination of natural self-interest and how we define racism. White men know that he'll look out for their interests. That doesn't necessarily mean to the exclusion of other interests, but of course that's the standard interpretation. The white men are racist for their self concern and Trump is racist for catering to them. The reverse of this is that their are plenty of racists on the other side of the spectrum, they simply view themselves differently, and vote democrat out of the same self interest. We just don't talk about them.

I suspect you're asking about genuine, honest to god, card-carrying bigots, though. Same rationale applies. I don't think any actual racists expect that Trump will return us to the Jim Crow era. I think they're probably just happy to have somebody who makes no bones about concern for their side, which from their perspective is still better than pandering to everybody else.
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« Reply #1460 on: October 04, 2017, 07:14:11 AM »
I think what a lot of them saw in Trump was the beginning of the fight back against this so-called 'PC culture' that riles so many of them up. I don't think any observant racist, sexist, anti-Semite or homophobe actually believed Trump was any of those things at his core, they just saw a guy who didn't 'pussyfoot' (as they see it) around certain issues. When I read the comments on his tweets, a lot of his supporters decry what they saw as Obama "apologising" for America all the time, whereas in Trump they respond to his brash, cocky, arrogant, We're-Number-One, drip-fed brand of simpletons' nationalism.

I've never received the impression, listening to proper racists and homophobes and anti-Semites, that any of them believed Trump was going to bring back segregated toilets and Public Service Announcements about the sickness of homosexuality (Youtube some of the '50s American ads for that stuff, they're a riot*). I think what attracted them to him was maybe they saw a guy who was going to be as vocal in his support for the straight white Christian as they felt his predecessor(s) had been in standing up for the gays, blacks, Muslims, whoever. A poster who got banned from here a while ago, '7th', was one of the earliest and most vocal of Trump's supporters, and he frequently said back in 2016 that in his opinion the straight white male had become the most oppressed and silenced demographic in American history. Whether he's right or wrong is another issue; the fact is he felt it, as did many others like him, and I think in Trump they saw their tribune. 


*Here's one of my favourites, which desperately needs redubbing in Troy McClure's voice:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17u01_sWjRE
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« Reply #1461 on: October 04, 2017, 09:58:27 AM »
I think the answer is in el Barto's post, buried in the first paragraph.  I think this is a part of a continuum.  I think there are racists and bigots and anti-Semites across the spectrum, but at this time, in this context, the voice is being amplified through the Trump mouthpiece.   

I think the bigger issue is the hypocrisy of the "intolerance of intolerance" idea.   This notion that racists share, but so do the so-called "tolerant" that it's really down to the quality of MY ideas.   It makes no logical or factual sense to say "blacks are inferior", but does it to say "Republicans are racists"?    Of course not, yet that's what we see.

I think it comes down to personal politics, and what personal beliefs lead you to what others consider "racism".  I've read a lot on this, and the so-called "racists" that voted for Trump are voting for a candidate that not only doesn't SAY they are bad (which is it's own debate; are they?) but also doesn't by their very presence SYMBOLIZE that they are bad.   In a real way, Obama was both the dawning of a new age, and a symbol FOR the very racism that we claim to disavow so vociferously.   We'll see which one pervades history (my optimism says the former, but I'm not wholly sold on that). 

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« Reply #1462 on: October 04, 2017, 11:02:23 PM »
I think what a lot of them saw in Trump was the beginning of the fight back against this so-called 'PC culture' that riles so many of them up. I don't think any observant racist, sexist, anti-Semite or homophobe actually believed Trump was any of those things at his core, they just saw a guy who didn't 'pussyfoot' (as they see it) around certain issues. When I read the comments on his tweets, a lot of his supporters decry what they saw as Obama "apologising" for America all the time, whereas in Trump they respond to his brash, cocky, arrogant, We're-Number-One, drip-fed brand of simpletons' nationalism.

I've never received the impression, listening to proper racists and homophobes and anti-Semites, that any of them believed Trump was going to bring back segregated toilets and Public Service Announcements about the sickness of homosexuality (Youtube some of the '50s American ads for that stuff, they're a riot*). I think what attracted them to him was maybe they saw a guy who was going to be as vocal in his support for the straight white Christian as they felt his predecessor(s) had been in standing up for the gays, blacks, Muslims, whoever. A poster who got banned from here a while ago, '7th', was one of the earliest and most vocal of Trump's supporters, and he frequently said back in 2016 that in his opinion the straight white male had become the most oppressed and silenced demographic in American history. Whether he's right or wrong is another issue; the fact is he felt it, as did many others like him, and I think in Trump they saw their tribune. 


*Here's one of my favourites, which desperately needs redubbing in Troy McClure's voice:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17u01_sWjRE

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« Reply #1463 on: October 05, 2017, 02:35:38 PM »
This is nice. Here's a judge who spent decades trading lenient sentences in exchange for sexual favors and/or nude photographs. Hundreds of defendants. He just accepted a plea deal to serve 2 years in prison. Yeah, that sounds about right. Kind of the opposite of Kids for Cash, where judges sold low-level juvenile offenders into their buddy's for-profit prison. They originally accepted plea deals to serve 7 years, before they had their offers yanked for acting like assholes. Here's a novel idea. Abuse your authority as a judge, or a prosecutor, and spend the rest of your fucking life in prison. Seems pretty straight forward to me.

Now, the reality is that today's asshole judge is already in his seventies, and likely won't make it out alive anymore. That pisses me off all the more. If he's going to die in prison anyway, throw the rest of us a fucking bone, FFS. Sentence him to 379.7 years. Don your Michael Palin butch voice and read a scathing pronouncement that the harsh sentence hardly seems adequate given the severity of the crimes.  Pretend that this matters, even if we all know it's still a farce.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/05/ex-judge-accused-requesting-nude-photos-pleads-guilty.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Fnational+%28Internal+-+US+Latest+-+Text%29
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« Reply #1464 on: October 05, 2017, 02:42:41 PM »
This is nice. Here's a judge who spent decades trading lenient sentences in exchange for sexual favors and/or nude photographs. Hundreds of defendants. He just accepted a plea deal to serve 2 years in prison. Yeah, that sounds about right. Kind of the opposite of Kids for Cash, where judges sold low-level juvenile offenders into their buddy's for-profit prison. They originally accepted plea deals to serve 7 years, before they had their offers yanked for acting like assholes. Here's a novel idea. Abuse your authority as a judge, or a prosecutor, and spend the rest of your fucking life in prison. Seems pretty straight forward to me.

Now, the reality is that today's asshole judge is already in his seventies, and likely won't make it out alive anymore. That pisses me off all the more. If he's going to die in prison anyway, throw the rest of us a fucking bone, FFS. Sentence him to 379.7 years. Don your Michael Palin butch voice and read a scathing pronouncement that the harsh sentence hardly seems adequate given the severity of the crimes.  Pretend that this matters, even if we all know it's still a farce.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/05/ex-judge-accused-requesting-nude-photos-pleads-guilty.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Fnational+%28Internal+-+US+Latest+-+Text%29

Does this belong in that other thread? The "you could not pay me enough to..." thread?  "Would you text dick picks in order to avoid jail time?"   :)  :)  :) 

Seriously, though, I'm with you, el Barto.  The very essence of the judicial system relies on the integrity of a select few people, and judges are one of them.   We can overcome a corrupt prosecutor, because nominally the defendant is advised by their own counsel (and vice versa).  But the judge is the Grand Poobah of this whole circus and ought to be at least moderately trustworthy.  Get the word out, if you're a judge and you cross the line, you will be held accountable.  Simple thing to stay out of jail at that point:  don't be a scumbag. 

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Re: P/R side chat thread, v. I am not a number I am a free man
« Reply #1465 on: October 10, 2017, 07:23:28 AM »
Narrative currently being pushed by The Times, The Sun, Sky TV and FOX News: "It is disgusting how the Hollywood liberal elite protected one of their powerful executives from using his position of power to molest young women"


Narrative which, for reasons of space limitation, was unable to be pushed by The Times, The Sun, Sky TV, and FOX News: "It is disgusting how News Corp diverted attention away from their executives' molestation of young women by filling their pages with endless stories of what filthy temptresses women are"



I am actually going to let Rupert enjoy this one however, because he isn't entirely wrong here and the old pervert deserves to savour this moment. There is a very clear bias at play right now when you look at the relative outrage from the liberal media over the Weinstein allegations, and those of Ailes, O'Reilly, Trump, etc. Jimmy Kimmel in particular has lost whatever credibility he may once have had as a cry-on-demand moral compass, treating the Weinstein stuff as a joke whereas Trump's behavior was up there with the Rape of Nanking.

I thought about making a thread just for this Harvey Weinstein/media bias theme, but I figured it's a little too early, enough details aren't known yet to be able to form a proper opinion. Nevertheless, it will be interesting for me over the coming weeks to watch how the media handle this story (because I have a feeling the Weinstein story is going to go Tiger Woods real fast, by which I mean the scale of his 'womanising' will go through the roof and hundreds of actresses are going to come forward). Will the media stick to their job of fairly and objectively pushing the business interests of their proprietors, or will they abuse their power and start moralizing when it suits them?

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Re: P/R side chat thread, v. I am not a number I am a free man
« Reply #1466 on: October 10, 2017, 07:34:52 AM »
Narrative currently being pushed by The Times, The Sun, Sky TV and FOX News: "It is disgusting how the Hollywood liberal elite protected one of their powerful executives from using his position of power to molest young women"


Narrative which, for reasons of space limitation, was unable to be pushed by The Times, The Sun, Sky TV, and FOX News: "It is disgusting how News Corp diverted attention away from their executives' molestation of young women by filling their pages with endless stories of what filthy temptresses women are"



I am actually going to let Rupert enjoy this one however, because he isn't entirely wrong here and the old pervert deserves to savour this moment. There is a very clear bias at play right now when you look at the relative outrage from the liberal media over the Weinstein allegations, and those of Ailes, O'Reilly, Trump, etc. Jimmy Kimmel in particular has lost whatever credibility he may once have had as a cry-on-demand moral compass, treating the Weinstein stuff as a joke whereas Trump's behavior was up there with the Rape of Nanking.

I thought about making a thread just for this Harvey Weinstein/media bias theme, but I figured it's a little too early, enough details aren't known yet to be able to form a proper opinion. Nevertheless, it will be interesting for me over the coming weeks to watch how the media handle this story (because I have a feeling the Weinstein story is going to go Tiger Woods real fast, by which I mean the scale of his 'womanising' will go through the roof and hundreds of actresses are going to come forward). Will the media stick to its job of fairly and objectively pushing the business interests of their proprietors, or will they abuse their power and start moralizing when it suits them?

I don't disagree, but I have a few comments/observations.

- I don't know if I'd equate this to someone like Bill O'Reilly. He's a household name and was on TV every night. I had never heard of this Weinstein guy until this. The guy didn't seem to really put up a fight. He didn't deny it. He stepped down immediately (I think). I'm not sure what story there is to tell other than reminding the public of it. And to circle back to O'Reilly, the coverage of that basically stopped as soon as he left Fox. Had Weinstein dug in his heels and denied all these allegations and refused to leave, I'd bet good money the public would be foaming at the mouth and all those biased media outlets would be bringing the hammer down on him. (Maybe he did do that for a period of time, but like I said, I never heard of this guy until just recently)
 
- I've never seen Kimmel's show. I actually haven't watched anything Kimmel (maybe a few youtube clips when he cries) since The Man Show. It's kind of ironic that one of the nation's biggest social justice warriors once had a show that would end every night with stacked chicks jumping on trampolines.

- What's left for the media to cover? The guy admitted to pretty much everything, didn't he? I mean, he's not pulling a Bill Cosby and leaving us hanging while he was waiting for court. The guy came out and said something along the lines of "the 60s and 70s was a different time, blah blah blah". He not trying to hide it.

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Re: P/R side chat thread, v. I am not a number I am a free man
« Reply #1467 on: October 10, 2017, 07:49:35 AM »
- What's left for the media to cover? The guy admitted to pretty much everything, didn't he?

They'll cover the details of exactly what he's admitted to. So far nobody really knows what he's supposed to have done, it's all very vague, and for someone with his extraordinary power (working in an industry which is full of sexual deviants, rapists and pedophiles, if we believe Corey Feldman among others) to step down from his company (officially he was fired, but that's nonsense in my opinion, this smells of a deal being cut) makes me think he's 'guilty' of some pretty serious shit. Walking away suggests to me he doesn't want this story to be scrutinized too deeply, but I've a feeling Murdoch will have very different ideas. We'll see.

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« Reply #1468 on: October 10, 2017, 08:19:09 AM »
Also, this is Hollywood we're talking about. Of course it's not right, but this behavior has been ingrained for nearly a century. For most of that time the ability to trade jobs for tail was the reason people became producers in the first place. I'm not defending the behavior, times have changed, but this isn't exactly shocking. Whereas FOX News, presented as a beacon to upright behavior for all good Americans, getting exposed for this sort of thing is, and people love pointing out hypocrisy.

Personally, I'm fine with the times changing to do away with this sort of thing. The outrage and hatred is a little over the top for me, though. The guy's a dinosaur. He's been living the life of a bygone era. For failing to adapt to the time he should be run out. Declaring him an evil monster for doing what was traditionally acceptable is a bit much, I think.
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Re: P/R side chat thread, v. I am not a number I am a free man
« Reply #1469 on: October 11, 2017, 01:15:03 PM »
- I don't know if I'd equate this to someone like Bill O'Reilly. He's a household name and was on TV every night. I had never heard of this Weinstein guy until this. The guy didn't seem to really put up a fight. He didn't deny it. He stepped down immediately (I think). I'm not sure what story there is to tell other than reminding the public of it. And to circle back to O'Reilly, the coverage of that basically stopped as soon as he left Fox. Had Weinstein dug in his heels and denied all these allegations and refused to leave, I'd bet good money the public would be foaming at the mouth and all those biased media outlets would be bringing the hammer down on him. (Maybe he did do that for a period of time, but like I said, I never heard of this guy until just recently)

He was forced out; the story (today) is that he's angry at his brother Bob (also on the board) for basically forcing his hand.   He's admitted to (and this is not a direct quote) acting squirrelly, but he has categorically denied any non-consensual sex, and has "fled" (my word) to Europe as I understand it.

As for "not hearing about him", he's one of the most powerful men in Hollywood.  Whether you've heard of him or not, he makes careers.   Gwyneth Paltrow, by most accounts, owes her Oscar to him.  He's the guy behind the Miramax productions that were the rage of Hollywood for most of the 90's.   I say this not to call you out, but rather to put in context the degree to which the celebrities have circled the wagons, first around him, and now around what little remnants of their integrity remain.

His wife (very, VERY attractive woman, for what that's worth) today announced she was leaving him. 
 
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- I've never seen Kimmel's show. I actually haven't watched anything Kimmel (maybe a few youtube clips when he cries) since The Man Show. It's kind of ironic that one of the nation's biggest social justice warriors once had a show that would end every night with stacked chicks jumping on trampolines.

Kimmel's all right, but he's a bigger kiss-ass than anything else.  A pleaser.  So back then it was pleasing Adam Corolla, now it's pleasing the Hollywood elite that now have to grace his couch. 

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- What's left for the media to cover? The guy admitted to pretty much everything, didn't he? I mean, he's not pulling a Bill Cosby and leaving us hanging while he was waiting for court. The guy came out and said something along the lines of "the 60s and 70s was a different time, blah blah blah". He not trying to hide it.

Some of it.  See above.   The closest he came was admitting to groping an Italian model, and that is (I understand) only because she recorded the exchange.  He's denied any non-consensual sex unequivocally. 
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