Coexist?

[Rathma]

Just some food for thought guys.

[theseoafs]

I'm sure the T isn't a huge fan of the E.

[kári]

[bertoltus]

Oh right, because Islam is all about violence and getting rid of the other religions.

I don't think I have to point out how much is wrong with this incredibly hypocritical piece of propaganda.

[Scorpion]

I am unsure what should actually be debated here. Sure, that's a problem (or several, actually), but I don't think that anyone disagrees with that.

[Odysseus]

Oh right, because Islam is all about violence and getting rid of the other religions.

I don't think I have to point out how much is wrong with this incredibly hypocritical piece of propaganda.

When did anyone say Islam is 'all about violence'?  Most religions have a hard core of nutters with a propensity for violence when it suits them, including Islam.  Aren't infidels like us supposed to be burning in hell anyway? 

[bertoltus]

Most religions have a hard core of nutters with a propensity for violence when it suits them, including Islam. 

Exactly! Yet the posted picture makes it look like muslims are all a bunch of fundamentalists, while christians are all tolerant.

[snapple]

It does feel like the Coexist stickers are aimed at conservative Christians.

[Odysseus]

Anyone know the source of that pic?

[ohgar]

Anyone know the source of that pic?

stormfront.org

[Rathma]

Anyone know the source of that pic?

Dunno but an old friend from college posted it saying it was "food for thought". Oh and the college was a conservative Bible college, that might explain a lot.

[SeRoX]

When it comes to violence or forcing it would completely be nonsense to charge one religion and show others pure innocent.

Not that I don't know what Islam brings to the world, I live in Turkey and probably Islam is the most radical religion but this statement is just silly and funny.

[Ħ]

The problem with Coexist is that it calls people who hold to X religion to compromise in one or more areas of X religion - thereby eliminating the whole point of following the religion in the first place.

[Perpetual Change]

The problem with Coexist is that it calls people who hold to X religion to compromise in one or more areas of X religion - thereby eliminating the whole point of following the religion in the first place.

I think that depends, really. I'm kinda at the place in my faith where I feel like that's where we're all supposed to be going, as a people who are moving from a state of "sin" to "salvation". I don't know anything about Coexist, but at this point I think an open dialog in search of putting the emphasis on common ground between religions and beliefs would be better for my spiritual health than trying to live according to the by-the-book version of my Christian faith and persuading others to adhere to it 100 percent. I realize that puts me at odds with lots of Christians, but it's just kinda what I'm feeling. I don't feel like I underplay my identity as a Christian by thinking the way I do.

Also though the picture in the OP is really bizarre. Is it a parody of Coexist or something?

[Ħ]

I think it is trying to make fun of Coexist.

[jammindude]

The problem with Coexist is that it calls people who hold to X religion to compromise in one or more areas of X religion - thereby eliminating the whole point of following the religion in the first place.

THIS.

If you belong to any religion...you should belong to it because you believe it to be the truth.   If you're in a religion because you were born into it...that's not a reason.  You should know and understand *WHY* you believe what you believe. 

If you are in a religion, and you don't believe that it is the true religion, you need to do some prayer and some research...in that order.  If you have issues with what your religion teaches, you should look elsewhere.     My two cents...

[Ħ]

PC, I get what you're saying. You can't make a blanket statement 'coexist is incompatible with religion' because, you're right, there are religions that are more open to letting people do as they do. But there are definitely mainstream religions that are incompatible with coexist. Suppose there was a religion, Q, that commanded its followers to kill its nonfollowers. But coexist says that we should live in peace, not fighting. So a true believer in Q cannot be a true believer in coexist without compromising one or the other.

[Progmetty]

Yeah it's a parody of the coexist bumper sticker saying that coexisting is a bull shit idea and that everyone wants to kill everyone and that humanity should probably stop fighting it and just go on with the killing.
It's definitely aimed at Islam though which is natural coming from stormfront.org

[Perpetual Change]

PC, I get what you're saying. You can't make a blanket statement 'coexist is incompatible with religion' because, you're right, there are religions that are more open to letting people do as they do. But there are definitely mainstream religions that are incompatible with coexist. Suppose there was a religion, Q, that commanded its followers to kill its nonfollowers. But coexist says that we should live in peace, not fighting. So a true believer in Q cannot be a true believer in coexist without compromising one or the other.

I guess that's what attracts me to Christianity, then: the idea that revelation is happening now, and that God is constantly revealing Himself to us through a myriad of different voices as we slowly move towards union with Him. I of course hold the Bible and the tradition of Christian thinking in special reverence but it's the revealing here and now that I'm most attracted to and I think it may even be more important in the end. I suppose not all religions are open to that kind of thinking though.

[El JoNNo]

I'm not about to claim that all religious people are fundamentalist but at the same time there is nothing wrong with this picture. When I hear arguments such as "it's not the religion it's the fundamentalists", I just shake my head. While any person driven to any extremism often undesired, it is foolish to blame it entirely of them. They are called fundamentalists because of the fundamentals. If it were not for passage in in the Koran, the Bible and other religious texts about how the unbelievers and gays will burn and how they should either be destroyed or shunned.   

[Progmetty]

That's one reason I always though fundamentalist was a bull shit term which extremists like to call themselves to cast legitimacy over what there actions, they pretend not to like it but they much prefer it over extremist.

[rumborak]

Gay rights supports Islam over Judaism?

That whole thing reads like written by a FOX News watcher.

rumborak

[Jaffa]

Gay rights supports Islam over Judaism?

That whole thing reads like written by a FOX News watcher.

rumborak

Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but I thought it said pacifists support Islam over Judaism.

[Adami]

This thread brought to you by Fox News. Where the truth is subjective.

[snapple]

This thread brought to you by Fox News. Where the truth is subjective.

 

[Adami]

This thread brought to you by Fox News. Where the truth is subjective.

 

Oh calm now kit, twas merely a joke.

[snapple]

The emoticon was purely subjective. 


No, I do feel like the Coexist sticker is aimed at Christians. I know some of you guys are older, but I'm 22. And the people I know who are "against all organized religion" may mean that, but for real. They mean they don't like Christianity. Americans, by in large, are fucking ignorant (my demographic, mind you) about other religions. The younger posters here are actually well informed and aren't ignorant. But yeah, just my $0.02.

[Adami]

If the original Coexist sticker is aimed at Christian Americans that's probably because most Americans are Christians. Just like if it were in Arabic, most people would think it aimed at Muslims. I don't think it's aimed at any group specifically.


However the one in the original post here is clearly bias against Muslims and bias toward Christians.

[snapple]

If the original Coexist sticker is aimed at Christian Americans that's probably because most Americans are Christians. Just like if it were in Arabic, most people would think it aimed at Muslims. I don't think it's aimed at any group specifically.


However the one in the original post here is clearly bias against Muslims and bias toward Christians.

Something like that. Whichever religion appears to be "shaping policy" or whatever.

[rumborak]

I have never felt the Coexist sticker was specifically directed at any religion. I perceived it as a comment to all of them to stop bickering.

The text in the OP has a clear pro-Christian bias however.

rumborak

[snapple]

I have never felt the Coexist sticker was specifically directed at any religion. I perceived it as a comment to all of them to stop bickering.

disagree, totally. I guess I don't see the religious bickering as much as non-Christians do, though.

The text in the OP has a clear pro-Christian bias however.

rumborak

Totally agree.

[skydivingninja]

The emoticon was purely subjective. 


No, I do feel like the Coexist sticker is aimed at Christians. I know some of you guys are older, but I'm 22. And the people I know who are "against all organized religion" may mean that, but for real. They mean they don't like Christianity. Americans, by in large, are fucking ignorant (my demographic, mind you) about other religions. The younger posters here are actually well informed and aren't ignorant. But yeah, just my $0.02.

Seriously?  You think those people aren't also facepalming at Islam, Judaism, Scientology, etc. as well as Christianity?  If you see more Christianity bias coming from them its because we're in America and that's the predominant religion and what most people know and can discuss.

I have never felt the Coexist sticker was specifically directed at any religion. I perceived it as a comment to all of them to stop bickering.

Yes.  Suggesting it targets one religion kind of ignores its actual message.

The text in the OP has a clear pro-Christian bias however.

rumborak

Indeed.  "Islam wants to eradicate these religions."  Yeah, sure they do. 

[adace]

Let's not forget that at one time, T was pretty hostile, even genocidal towards X. And to say that X is threatened with annihilation by C, let alone O, is extremely paranoid. Lastly, how is E a threat to anyone? There's plenty of gay religious people out there, and I'm sure that only the most extreme members of the gay rights movement bear any hatred whatsoever towards religion.

[snapple]

The emoticon was purely subjective. 


No, I do feel like the Coexist sticker is aimed at Christians. I know some of you guys are older, but I'm 22. And the people I know who are "against all organized religion" may mean that, but for real. They mean they don't like Christianity. Americans, by in large, are fucking ignorant (my demographic, mind you) about other religions. The younger posters here are actually well informed and aren't ignorant. But yeah, just my $0.02.

Seriously?  You think those people aren't also facepalming at Islam, Judaism, Scientology, etc. as well as Christianity?  If you see more Christianity bias coming from them its because we're in America and that's the predominant religion and what most people know and can discuss.

Which I think I agreed with in an earlier post. However, yes I do feel it's mostly a middle finger towards Christianity. While they may be face palming the others, I feel it's a finger to Christians.

[The King in Crimson]

Which I think I agreed with in an earlier post. However, yes I do feel it's mostly a middle finger towards Christianity. While they may be face palming the others, I feel it's a finger to Christians.

Why?

I see the Coexist sticker and I see a sticker that's decidedly neutral.

This picture, however, misses the entire fucking point.