Speaking in tongues/prophecy/healing/etc

[hefdaddy42]

That's a good point, rumby, and I feel the same way.  When people start babbling their gibberish, they are either full of shit or sincere.  But even if they are sincere (like Orbert's friend), I don't think what is happening is what is described in the Bible.  I think it is a trance state attuned from a religious ecstasy, and the gibberish is the verbal component of it.  I don't think it is from God per se, but it is a side effect of a religious ecstatic trance state, usually self-induced.

Sincere?  Yes.  Real?  Not really.

/my two cents

Suppose it is induced by a trance-like state.  Does that mean it's not legitimate?  I don't see the connection you're making.

It means that it is from you and not from God.

[Vivace]

I can believe that a person might genuinely think that a certain form of "speaking in tongues" is real or valid, but this is where the subjectivism of the form comes into play. Objectively, the Bible never says that speaking in tongues was done with "gibberish". Those that spoke in tongues were understood. It would be akin to out of the blue you suddenly mastered the Russian language.

I'm also confused as to what "the language of Angels" is supposed to stand for as all angels in the Bible speak to man in his language. If I'm missing something, then I'm missing something but I don't think there is any biblical mention of an angelic language.

I, also, don't want to call anyone as a fraud, but as Christ flat out told us, many will come "claiming" to be prophets, "claiming" to come, or speak in His name and that we are to "test" these people for validity and the Bible does an excellent job in giving us a checklist, so to speak, for such a test. If talking in gibberish is biblically supported, then I would be interested in the reference. If not, it could be implicit, but again, we need references for that. If that's not possible then you have to concede that gibberish is not speaking in tongues.

[Ħ]

That's a good point, rumby, and I feel the same way.  When people start babbling their gibberish, they are either full of shit or sincere.  But even if they are sincere (like Orbert's friend), I don't think what is happening is what is described in the Bible.  I think it is a trance state attuned from a religious ecstasy, and the gibberish is the verbal component of it.  I don't think it is from God per se, but it is a side effect of a religious ecstatic trance state, usually self-induced.

Sincere?  Yes.  Real?  Not really.

/my two cents

Suppose it is induced by a trance-like state.  Does that mean it's not legitimate?  I don't see the connection you're making.

It means that it is from you and not from God.

Why?  Hypothetically, couldn't God work tongues into a person through a trance?

[William Wallace]

That's a good point, rumby, and I feel the same way.  When people start babbling their gibberish, they are either full of shit or sincere.  But even if they are sincere (like Orbert's friend), I don't think what is happening is what is described in the Bible.  I think it is a trance state attuned from a religious ecstasy, and the gibberish is the verbal component of it.  I don't think it is from God per se, but it is a side effect of a religious ecstatic trance state, usually self-induced.

Sincere?  Yes.  Real?  Not really.

/my two cents

Suppose it is induced by a trance-like state.  Does that mean it's not legitimate?  I don't see the connection you're making.

It means that it is from you and not from God.

Why?  Hypothetically, couldn't God work tongues into a person through a trance?

Sure, but, then, there's no way to verify He's involved. That negates the original purpose entirely.

[Sigz]

Obviously you can't really claim to know what God's intentions would be in doing that, but one would think if he were 'working tongues into them'* it would be an actual language.

*teehee

[Ħ]

 

Yeah, I'm pretty unconvinced that speaking in tongues are for today.  I mean, I thought I did it this weekend but I was pretty nervous and it was really chaotic.  People think I'm a hero though, now, and I don't know what to tell them.

[Jamesman42]

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[rumborak]

That's a good point, rumby, and I feel the same way.  When people start babbling their gibberish, they are either full of shit or sincere.  But even if they are sincere (like Orbert's friend), I don't think what is happening is what is described in the Bible.  I think it is a trance state attuned from a religious ecstasy, and the gibberish is the verbal component of it.  I don't think it is from God per se, but it is a side effect of a religious ecstatic trance state, usually self-induced.

Sincere?  Yes.  Real?  Not really.

/my two cents

Suppose it is induced by a trance-like state.  Does that mean it's not legitimate?  I don't see the connection you're making.

It doesn't disprove anything per se (just like nothing really in the theological realm can ever be truly disproven), but it makes it less believable if it relies on plain ol' trance states, which have been used to everything under the sun (the majority non-Christian).

rumborak

[hefdaddy42]

Why?  Hypothetically, couldn't God work tongues into a person through a trance?

God could pull a blue donkey out of my nose.  But what God could do is an open-ended discussion.  We are just dealing with what he has done and is (or isn't) doing.

[bosk1]

How's that nose, dude?  /concerned

[hefdaddy42]

How's that nose, dude?  /concerned

Tender, man.  Tender.