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Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
« Reply #2660 on: May 14, 2017, 11:58:56 AM »
That song (musically) sounds like a rip-off of Welcome to My Nightmare from Alice Cooper. I'm not sure what year it came out, so it might have come out before the AC song.

Apparently it was released in 1974.

https://www.discogs.com/Beckett-Beckett/release/1323464

WtMN came out in '75, so it pre-dates that, then. That's the only thing that it sounds similar to to me. Other than the song key, I'm not hearing anything that reminds me of Hallowed.
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Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
« Reply #2661 on: May 14, 2017, 12:04:53 PM »
That song (musically) sounds like a rip-off of Welcome to My Nightmare from Alice Cooper. I'm not sure what year it came out, so it might have come out before the AC song.

Not really catching the Alice comparison, although some of the instrumentation sounds a little similar, but not the song. I actually think of the verses to Peruvian Skies.
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Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
« Reply #2662 on: May 15, 2017, 12:20:03 AM »
That song (musically) sounds like a rip-off of Welcome to My Nightmare from Alice Cooper. I'm not sure what year it came out, so it might have come out before the AC song.

Apparently it was released in 1974.

https://www.discogs.com/Beckett-Beckett/release/1323464

WtMN came out in '75, so it pre-dates that, then. That's the only thing that it sounds similar to to me. Other than the song key, I'm not hearing anything that reminds me of Hallowed.

Some of the words appear to have been directly lifted.
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Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
« Reply #2663 on: May 15, 2017, 07:51:59 AM »
I can see Maiden having "stolen" the concept.  And there's the run of about 5 lines of lyrics which are distinctly similar.  Overall, though, it's not the same song at all.  There's a long discussion here :

http://forum.maidenfans.com/threads/the-beckett-connection.19282/

including a former Beckett member saying "I love what they have done with all our material"  :rollin

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Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
« Reply #2664 on: May 15, 2017, 08:42:35 AM »
http://forum.maidenfans.com/threads/the-beckett-connection.19282/

I read a bit of that thread earlier this morning - interesting stuff..

Another article about it here: http://www.metaltalk.net/news_seventeen/iron_maiden_advised_to_settle_out_of_court.php

There's no denying the similarities in the lyrics, but why wait all this time to come forward?

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« Reply #2665 on: May 15, 2017, 09:02:14 AM »
There's no denying the similarities in the lyrics, but why wait all this time to come forward?

The link from maidenfans.com had someone summarize the new lawsuit as follows:   

Maiden settled with one of the Beckett dudes a number of years ago.  That guy lied to another person from Beckett about the settlement.  Now that guy found out that he was lied to and he's going after Maiden for his piece of the pie in the new lawsuit.

Settling with the second guy would be the quickest way out, but I'd hope/wish that they could say "hey, we already settled this once, and it's not our problem if these two guys can't be honest and sort it out with each other."  Sadly, the world doesn't work that way and Maiden will probably have to pony up again.

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« Reply #2666 on: May 15, 2017, 10:10:10 AM »
There's no denying the similarities in the lyrics, but why wait all this time to come forward?

The link from maidenfans.com had someone summarize the new lawsuit as follows:   

Maiden settled with one of the Beckett dudes a number of years ago.  That guy lied to another person from Beckett about the settlement.  Now that guy found out that he was lied to and he's going after Maiden for his piece of the pie in the new lawsuit.

Settling with the second guy would be the quickest way out, but I'd hope/wish that they could say "hey, we already settled this once, and it's not our problem if these two guys can't be honest and sort it out with each other."  Sadly, the world doesn't work that way and Maiden will probably have to pony up again.

Froem what I read, it's slightly different than that.   Two guys from Beckett wrote the song.  One guy - the lyricist - settled with Harris.  The guy suing Maiden allegedly (he hasn't proved it yet) bought the interest of the other guy, who, prior to the sale, renegotiated his share from the first guy.  The guy suing Maiden is saying that the interest he bought rights to is now covered - in part - by the so-called "settlement", but he's claiming it wasn't settled.  That's how I understand it.

By the way, Maiden covered another Beckett song - Rainbow's Gold - as a b-side to... I think it was Two Minutes To Midnight. In case anyone cares, the singer for Beckett (what a dumb name for a band) was the guy that took over for Brian Johnson in Georgie when Brian made the disasterous decision to jump from Geordie down to AC/DC. 

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Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
« Reply #2667 on: May 27, 2017, 04:58:05 AM »
Stumbled upon this orchestral medley:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS6a0NWI0do

It has Fear of the Dark, 666 and Run to the Hills.

It's all nice and cool, but Fear of the Dark is far more effective than the other two songs. Should ever Maiden do an orchestral concert, they should focus on songs from the reunion era which can be translated better into an orchestral setting, rather than just playing 23:58 and The Trooper the same way they are, but with violins doubling the guitar tracks.

Or they could rearrange the faster songs and translate them into more orchestra-ish pieces, like DT did with Gangland when they completely rearranged the song. Well, I don't particulary like Gangland nor the jazz version of DT, but it was just an example of how a song can be taken and rearranged into something else.