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Re: The addictions thread
« Reply #245 on: January 07, 2016, 05:08:55 PM »
Everyone has their own rationalizations, but it'd behoove anyone who has any kind of control issues to look long and hard at it, even if it is on and off. I'd like to point out that what you two both outlined is exactly how it started for me and over a long period of time snowballed until I was forced to look at it and accept it. Now, hopefully neither of you are sensitive enough to think I'm saying "YOU'VE GOT ISSUES", I'm not. Nor do I mean to sound like I'm preaching, I'm just pointing out that those posts are almost identical in every word to what I said to myself before the long fall. Just something I noticed is all.

Even after relapsing months ago after a year or so sobriety, I did the exact same thing. I had a few drinks, was proud of myself for controlling it...and then didn't drink at all for weeks. Then out of the blue had another bout of utter insanity and once again more or less died. The fact you can turn it off doesn't mean anything, is my point in saying all of this; in that same way, it means nothing. I restate that because 'it means nothing' could be taken as 'it means nothing because there's an issue', but it also could simply be that 'it means nothing because there isn't an issue'. I mean the neutral version because I don't know either of you. That is in fact the very scary thing about slopes. They eventually get slippery and you can never ever know for sure until you slip.

Just a couple thoughts! Quite frankly, the fact you're talking about it at all is probably a sign that you're good considering that I did nothing but deny and irrationally rationalize until I was bleeding out, both metaphorically and literally. :lol :| Gotta laugh at it now and again. Serious issues get too serious and then everyone is all  :| and I don't like to be all  :| all the time. Either way, stay safe doods n doodettes. :heart

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Re: The addictions thread
« Reply #246 on: January 08, 2016, 09:54:17 AM »
I wonder sometimes if the high prevalence of addiction in the United States, relative to many other countries, doesn't come from our repressed, Puritan roots, and the all-or-nothing belief system that these roots tend to engender in people.

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Re: The addictions thread
« Reply #247 on: January 08, 2016, 12:09:16 PM »
I wonder sometimes if the high prevalence of addiction in the United States, relative to many other countries, doesn't come from our repressed, Puritan roots, and the all-or-nothing belief system that these roots tend to engender in people.

Using that opinion in relation to myself as a microcosm, my parents were really strict when I was growing up. However, once that freedom came I was doing everything under the sun to make up for lost time. It's undoubtedly possible that the repressed curiosities of the population was turned loose and indulgence was the new abstinence.

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« Reply #248 on: January 06, 2018, 08:59:01 AM »
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« Reply #249 on: January 06, 2018, 09:23:34 AM »
Three years smoke free suckahs!!!

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Wait, wut?

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Re: The addictions thread
« Reply #250 on: January 06, 2018, 09:26:19 AM »
I'm addicted to Chipotle and I see no end in sight.
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Re: The addictions thread
« Reply #251 on: January 06, 2018, 10:35:15 AM »
I wonder sometimes if the high prevalence of addiction in the United States, relative to many other countries, doesn't come from our repressed, Puritan roots, and the all-or-nothing belief system that these roots tend to engender in people.

I don't know if that is the exact cause but I have some pretty specific and in-depth theories with respect to this idea.   It's still just my opinion, but I have a firm belief that the mass shootings and what not are driven by some very specific causes, and not at all unlike the motivations that drive the quintessential terrorists we see acting across the world.  Our addictions are not random, they're not just from "human nature", they're driven by SOMETHING.  I think it's all related; the advent of reality TV and social media - and by this I mean the prevailing need by people that are not bringing a lot to the table to "self-justify" themselves in the oddest of ways - they are all related.  I believe the same frustrations that drive people to shoot large numbers of people, or involve in religious extremism, or to the level of substance abuses we're seeing today, or the level of forced social interactions that don't actually require any one-on-one personal interaction, are all rooted in the same thing. 

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Re: The addictions thread
« Reply #252 on: January 06, 2018, 10:47:35 AM »
I'm addicted to Chipotle and I see no end in sight.
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Re: The addictions thread
« Reply #253 on: January 06, 2018, 11:15:49 AM »
I wonder sometimes if the high prevalence of addiction in the United States, relative to many other countries, doesn't come from our repressed, Puritan roots, and the all-or-nothing belief system that these roots tend to engender in people.

I don't know if that is the exact cause but I have some pretty specific and in-depth theories with respect to this idea.   It's still just my opinion, but I have a firm belief that the mass shootings and what not are driven by some very specific causes, and not at all unlike the motivations that drive the quintessential terrorists we see acting across the world.  Our addictions are not random, they're not just from "human nature", they're driven by SOMETHING.  I think it's all related; the advent of reality TV and social media - and by this I mean the prevailing need by people that are not bringing a lot to the table to "self-justify" themselves in the oddest of ways - they are all related.  I believe the same frustrations that drive people to shoot large numbers of people, or involve in religious extremism, or to the level of substance abuses we're seeing today, or the level of forced social interactions that don't actually require any one-on-one personal interaction, are all rooted in the same thing. 

My opinion only.

Interesting theory, related to what I've thought. Here's mine.... America, especially since after the fifties, has become a quick fix culture. We've run out of patience to let things develop and grow in a natural manner. Depressed? Got a pill for that... Sick? Just take some of these and you'll be better in no time... But there are some things that just can't be quick fixed. Think of the Rush song Subdivisions, the disconnect and disillusionment that they talk about. That is a growing thing as we grow as a culture. We come up with the advancements, but no way for society to grow with the advancements. We are technologically superior, but spiritually stagnant. But hey, a few drinks and it's ok. Just get high, and mellow out. Getting behind? Here do a line of this and you'll catch up in no time. Once a chemical solution for a spiritual problem becomes acceptable, it's just a matter of time before the body, and not just the mind, becomes dependent on it. The number one thing I hear from drunks and their stories is that sense of disconnect, that they weren't given the book of rules that allowed them to fit into life, and that once they started drinking, they found the answers to questions they hadn't even asked. They finally were a part of.

Just what I've gotten from spending vast amounts of time with alcoholics and addicts.
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Re: The addictions thread
« Reply #254 on: January 06, 2018, 03:57:38 PM »
I wonder sometimes if the high prevalence of addiction in the United States, relative to many other countries, doesn't come from our repressed, Puritan roots, and the all-or-nothing belief system that these roots tend to engender in people.

I don't know if that is the exact cause but I have some pretty specific and in-depth theories with respect to this idea.   It's still just my opinion, but I have a firm belief that the mass shootings and what not are driven by some very specific causes, and not at all unlike the motivations that drive the quintessential terrorists we see acting across the world.  Our addictions are not random, they're not just from "human nature", they're driven by SOMETHING.  I think it's all related; the advent of reality TV and social media - and by this I mean the prevailing need by people that are not bringing a lot to the table to "self-justify" themselves in the oddest of ways - they are all related.  I believe the same frustrations that drive people to shoot large numbers of people, or involve in religious extremism, or to the level of substance abuses we're seeing today, or the level of forced social interactions that don't actually require any one-on-one personal interaction, are all rooted in the same thing. 

My opinion only.

Interesting theory, related to what I've thought. Here's mine.... America, especially since after the fifties, has become a quick fix culture. We've run out of patience to let things develop and grow in a natural manner. Depressed? Got a pill for that... Sick? Just take some of these and you'll be better in no time... But there are some things that just can't be quick fixed. Think of the Rush song Subdivisions, the disconnect and disillusionment that they talk about. That is a growing thing as we grow as a culture. We come up with the advancements, but no way for society to grow with the advancements. We are technologically superior, but spiritually stagnant. But hey, a few drinks and it's ok. Just get high, and mellow out. Getting behind? Here do a line of this and you'll catch up in no time. Once a chemical solution for a spiritual problem becomes acceptable, it's just a matter of time before the body, and not just the mind, becomes dependent on it. The number one thing I hear from drunks and their stories is that sense of disconnect, that they weren't given the book of rules that allowed them to fit into life, and that once they started drinking, they found the answers to questions they hadn't even asked. They finally were a part of.

Just what I've gotten from spending vast amounts of time with alcoholics and addicts.

I like a lot of that.  I would add - or maybe clarify? - that for me, in my theory, the "disconnect" is a profound frustration that the world - the country, the economy, the hipsters - are "passing me by".   I'm not as rich as Trump/Gates/the real Housewives of Beverly Hills, I'm not as good looking as the Kardashians/Vicky Secret models/the Wahlbergs, I'm not as funny as Fallon/Kimmel/Colbert, I'm not as in touch with my sexuality as the hot gay couples on Supergirl/How To Get Away With Murder/Sensate..  add to that the quippy, snarky, sarcastic nature of most of our debate these days and you have a profound lack of ability to deal.   

You see this a lot in our new vernacular; we talk about our JOURNEY.  We can't face the outcome - especially when it's not a win, so let's resort to the JOURNEY.   I've been watching a lot of TV lately because of the cold and if I hear someone on some dipshit reality show say "it just got REAL!" one more time, I'm going to puke.  EVERY MOMENT is real, and you don't get to reset by all of a sudden saying "oh, NOW it counts".  So we separate.  Cosplay.  Video games.   Intoxication.   

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Re: The addictions thread
« Reply #255 on: January 06, 2018, 04:30:27 PM »
That disconnect is so real man... One of my favorite AA speakers likes to say that we spend all our time competing, comparing ourselves to others. And if I'm always feeling less than or better than, I'll never be a part of.

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« Reply #256 on: January 06, 2018, 05:47:20 PM »
^^^ I like that a lot.  I'm stealing that.

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« Reply #257 on: January 06, 2018, 06:16:25 PM »
Yeah...it's a life motto for me at this point. Every time I start to separate from all of you, and feel like I'm such a special unique person who nobody will understand or connect with, I stick to that one like glue. One thing that unites all alcoholics and addicts is our sense of terminal uniqueness... :lol
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« Reply #258 on: January 08, 2018, 05:18:06 AM »
Three years smoke free suckahs!!!

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Re: The addictions thread
« Reply #259 on: January 17, 2018, 02:30:13 PM »
If something is done in moderation, is it still an addiction?
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Re: The addictions thread
« Reply #260 on: January 17, 2018, 02:30:55 PM »
That depends really, I think it's an addiction if you can't go without.

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Re: The addictions thread
« Reply #261 on: January 17, 2018, 02:37:20 PM »
"Moderation" implies a level of control
"Addiction" implies a level of surrender of control

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Re: The addictions thread
« Reply #262 on: January 17, 2018, 02:48:22 PM »
If something is done in moderation, is it still an addiction?

I would say that addicts have no ability to moderate. But then again, that's just coming from my own experience with alcohol/pot use.
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Re: The addictions thread
« Reply #263 on: January 17, 2018, 03:09:44 PM »
I've probably somewhere in the recent past crossed the line from 'moderate' to 'excessive' use of marijuana. For lots of reasons. I recognize it's a bit of a problem (mainly financially, that's it), but it's the only way I've found to ease my mind off the other problems in my life. I don't act much different sober, or when I'm out of green, other than being anxious about not being able to relax when my anxiety kicks into overdrive. Been weighing the pros/cons for a while. Would like to stop, ideally. Just can't seem to. Old habits die hard I suppose. Guess I'll keep smoking. Predictable conclusion, eh? :) Hm...

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« Reply #264 on: January 17, 2018, 03:28:09 PM »
If something is done in moderation, is it still an addiction?

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