Glitch with polls

[black_floyd]

For at least the second time I've come across this problem. Sometimes when making a poll you can't select the option "Only show the results after the poll has expired." We need this fixed since I'm beyond positive that at least one of these times, if not both, I selected this option but it incorrectly let the results be shown once a vote was cast rather than making the results secret until the poll ended. Very frustrating since it's something I can't fix without the help of a mod since when you choose "Edit poll" you can click on the first two options but still not the third. 

[Ħ]

Maybe hidden results are still visible to the maker of the poll?

[Dr. DTVT]

Uppercase Planck's Constant is right, you can always see the results of your own poll.

[ariich]

Maybe hidden results are still visible to the maker of the poll?

Correct. They are also visible to mods.

[black_floyd]

I've run the Opeth survivor for 24 rounds plus a few tiebreakers and it's never been visible for me until now. Also, it won't let me change it to the third option (only visible after the poll's expiration) when I use the "Edit Poll" option.

[ariich]

That third option only becomes available once you've put a limit in the "Run this poll for _ days" bit and then clicked out of it. Otherwise it can't work as there is no expiry date.

[black_floyd]

Uppercase Planck's Constant is right, you can always see the results of your own poll.

Not in my case. They always remain totally hidden from me just as they are to the body of voters. I also have no problem with that either and think they should probably remain hidden to the poll makers as well since, in theory, a poll maker could always withhold their vote until the last few minutes of a poll's duration and then be the swing vote whenever there's a tie thus giving them an unfair advantage to break ties they otherwise wouldn't have known existed.

If they're still voting for the song they would've voted for any way then that's fine but in a scenario where songs A and B are tied but the poll maker would've voted for song C but now the maker of the poll instead decides to vote for their less-liked option out of A and B, we have an issue of borderline trolling in that someone would be clearly voting in a way intended to manipulate the outcome instead of simply adhering to the "Vote for your least favorite (song, option, etc.)" guideline set forth in that poll.

I don't know exactly how frequently the mods have to get involved with issues in Polls/Survivors but I haven't seen a whole lot of problems mentioned in P/S outside of that wave of trolling a year or so ago. If the amount of effort that mods have to put in regarding P/S issues is as low as I've hinted at then it seems like it probably would be a lot more ethical and practical to make the results invisible even to the poll maker since it gives them inside information and contradicts the poll's format and this probably wouldn't cause much of an increase in the mods' workload. I realize that this may be the way it is so they can report problems to mods but that still involves a mod any way and the mods already have access to the results in real time independent from waiting for the poll's expiration.

Just a thought...

[black_floyd]

Just happened again for me. I don't know if it's like this for everyone/anyone else, but every time I've ever gone back and edited a poll where I've selected the option for hiding the results until the poll's expiration, it's nullified my choice of hiding the results and will only let me select either of the first two options ("Show results to anyone" and "Only show results once someone has voted") even though all three are visible at that point.

[black_floyd]

Maybe hidden results are still visible to the maker of the poll?

Not for me. They always remain hidden until the end of the poll just like they do for the body of voters.

Uppercase Planck's Constant is right, you can always see the results of your own poll.

Maybe hidden results are still visible to the maker of the poll?

Correct. They are also visible to mods.

That third option only becomes available once you've put a limit in the "Run this poll for _ days" bit and then clicked out of it. Otherwise it can't work as there is no expiry date.

Perhaps for y'all but not for me and I'm fine with that as I don't wanna have any edge for the purpose of saving songs from elimination. My problem is just with the glitch itself.

That third option only becomes available once you've put a limit in the "Run this poll for _ days" bit and then clicked out of it. Otherwise it can't work as there is no expiry date.

No, that ain't it. The glitch apparently resets something in the options that were chosen in the first place since the most recent time this occurred I double checked all 4 options (votes allowed per user, run poll for how many days, allow users to change vote, and finally the option about the displaying of results) before posting the OP and am pretty sure I double checked them during the last occurence of this glitch as well and it seems to occur if you use the "EDIT POLL" button since as soon as I hit the "SAVE" or "SAVE CHANGES" or whatever it's called button, the results were suddenly visible. Maybe as soon as you hit "EDIT POLL" it reverts the displaying of results option to the first one "Show results to anyone" and if you save it like that you're stuck. Still doesn't make sense for it to do that since it lets you choose either of the first two but just not the third.

If it's too troublesome to fix in the foreseeable future I can live with that but nobody has even responded to my most recent post before this one with any info whatsoever and it's been up for half a week. Just curious if it's even being looked into...

[black_floyd]

Alrighty, I don't wanna sound whiny but it's been over two months since anyone who may be able offer any legitimate insight on this has bothered to post in this thread. In my three previous posts I tried to be as thoroughly explanatory about what the glitch was doing and suggested reasons why it may be occurring. If y'all are at a stand still and honestly have no idea how to fix it that's fine but it ain't exactly asking for a kidney to expect some communication on what has been an ongoing problem especially since I've seen no less than three mods post in this subforum in the last month when this thread would have very visibly been near the top of page 1 in this subforum with a "New" icon by it indicating some further posts regarding this matter have occurred.

Just wanna know what's up.

[Jaffa]

Without knowing anything about any of this, it sounds to me like it was a glitch that you could ever not see the results of your polls in the first place. 

You're saying people can see the results of your polls when you've selected for them not to be able to.  H suggests that maybe it's just you that can see the poll results.  You say that you normally can't see them, either.  Everyone else says you're supposed to be able to see them.  You say you want to not be able to see them and want the glitch fixed - except as far as anyone else seems to think, there isn't a glitch, and you're able to see your poll results because they're your polls. 

Point is, are you sure that other people can see your poll results when you don't want them to?  Because if it's just you that can see them, that's not a glitch; that's the way it's supposed to be (basing this off ariich's response). 

[black_floyd]

No, you haven't quite got the gist of it.

The majority of the time, when I choose to hide the results until the poll's expiration, the results remain hidden from me as well even though I started the thread. I'm not only cool with that but actually prefer it that way since it insures that I can't have any temptation to save a song by utilizing insider information. My issue is that sometimes I CAN see the results and, in these instances, others can as well: http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=30352.msg1185147#msg1185147

I already extensively detailed the circumstances of when this has occurred in that big-ass post I made a few posts above this one and listed some theories as to why it may be the way it is.

[Jaffa]

My issue is that sometimes I CAN see the results

I do get that, actually.  My point was that according to everyone else, you're supposed to be able to see the results, so the fact that you can see them isn't a glitch at all.  It's actually weird that you were ever unable to see the results of your own poll, because regardless of what you think the system should be, ariich is saying OPs are supposed ot be able to see the results of their own polls at all times. 

If other people are seeing them, that's a whole different story, I think.  That's the part you should be dwelling on, not the fact that you can see your own poll results.  I think if you'd posted that thread link in the first place, you'd have your answers by now.  But up until now you've only really been talking about YOUR ability to see the results, not the fact that other people can see them too. 

I obviously have no ability to fix it, so sorry if I've bothered you, I just thought some clarification was needed.  I'll leave it alone now. 

[black_floyd]

You still aren't getting it. That problem is a secondary issue and this thread is about how I can't retain the "hide results until the poll has ended" option if I go in and edit a poll to fix a mistake.

[Jaffa]

Alright, fair enough.  Sorry if I've made things worse.  Just trying to help achieve some clarity here. 

That third option only becomes available once you've put a limit in the "Run this poll for _ days" bit and then clicked out of it. Otherwise it can't work as there is no expiry date.

No, that ain't it. The glitch apparently resets something in the options that were chosen in the first place since the most recent time this occurred I double checked all 4 options (votes allowed per user, run poll for how many days, allow users to change vote, and finally the option about the displaying of results) before posting the OP and am pretty sure I double checked them during the last occurence of this glitch as well and it seems to occur if you use the "EDIT POLL" button since as soon as I hit the "SAVE" or "SAVE CHANGES" or whatever it's called button, the results were suddenly visible. Maybe as soon as you hit "EDIT POLL" it reverts the displaying of results option to the first one "Show results to anyone" and if you save it like that you're stuck. Still doesn't make sense for it to do that since it lets you choose either of the first two but just not the third.

This is the crux of the matter, then?

[hefdaddy42]

TBH, I have no idea what to make of this.  I don't do technical stuff.

XJ?  Bosky?

[XJDenton]

I honestly have no idea currently. I will try to look into it.

[black_floyd]

^Thanks man