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Who's Iced Earth's best Singer?

Gene Adam
1 (1%)
John Greely
0 (0%)
Matt Barlow
67 (69.1%)
Tim "Ripper" Owens
12 (12.4%)
Stu Block
11 (11.3%)
Comedy Option: Jon Schaffer
6 (6.2%)

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Re: The Official Iced Earth Thread
« Reply #105 on: May 28, 2009, 09:46:04 PM »
Barlow by far.
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« Reply #106 on: May 29, 2009, 06:31:46 AM »
Definitely Framing Armageddon. Ripper sounds incredible and the music is great too.
I thought Ripper was very good too.

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« Reply #107 on: May 29, 2009, 08:58:21 PM »
I'm having trouble getting into both.

And I think Burnt Offerings is terrible. Alive In Athens stands out because their studio work is very flawed. They have never really been able to catch Barlow quite right, and a lot of it just sounds thin. The drum sounds that they have is terrible. I forget the session drummers name off the top of my head. He's excellent, but I don't like how it's layered in the music. I think Horrow Show is probably the best produced studio album they have though.

If you already think Iced Earth, then I'd just give up. I like 'em, but their music really doesn't really have a long shelf life.

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« Reply #108 on: May 30, 2009, 07:03:22 PM »
I'm having trouble getting into both.

And I think Burnt Offerings is terrible. Alive In Athens stands out because their studio work is very flawed. They have never really been able to catch Barlow quite right, and a lot of it just sounds thin. The drum sounds that they have is terrible. I forget the session drummers name off the top of my head. He's excellent, but I don't like how it's layered in the music. I think Horrow Show is probably the best produced studio album they have though.

TAC  - do you honestly think Maiden's production is better? If so, how?

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« Reply #109 on: June 02, 2009, 10:26:38 AM »
I'm having trouble getting into both.

And I think Burnt Offerings is terrible. Alive In Athens stands out because their studio work is very flawed. They have never really been able to catch Barlow quite right, and a lot of it just sounds thin. The drum sounds that they have is terrible. I forget the session drummers name off the top of my head. He's excellent, but I don't like how it's layered in the music. I think Horrow Show is probably the best produced studio album they have though.

TAC  - do you honestly think Maiden's production is better? If so, how?
Andy, I donít ever recall trumpeting Maidenís production values, but Iíll get to that later.

I reread some of my comments. I usually try to not depreciate in these threads. But I think I was looking at it as a ďdiscussionĒ thread rather than an ďappreciationĒ thread.

Let me just try and restate my thoughts. I do not  ďnotĒ like Iced Earth. There is plenty to like about them.
Alive In Athens is one of the MUST have metal albums of all time. But here was my general point regarding production: The thing that makes Alive In Athens so strong is that it truly captures the band optimally. It quite effectively captures the energy and intent of these songs in a way that is not evident on the studio versions. That is what I mean when I talk about the production of their earlier albums. I just donít think, in the studio they were ever able to capture Iced Earth in all of their glory. Iím referring to Pre Athens mind you. Something Wicked, up until that point, to me, comes the closest. I have an original Burnt Offerings and my understanding is that the remaster did wonders for this album.  Thatís good, because to me, the original sounds terrible.  Thatís just my opinion.

Alive In Athens is not unlike so many other classic live albums. What makes these albums special is that they capture the true essence of the band. UFOís Strangers In The Night, Kiss Alive, Frampton Comes Alive, Thin Lizzyís Live And Dangerous just to name a few. It takes those bandsí respective songs and elevates them far beyond what was catured on the studio versions. Alive In Athens does this for Iced Earth. Itís a victory for the live album, but I canít help but feel the missed opportunity for their studio work.
Dark Saga, to me just sounds so sterile and thin.
Now youíre a big Iced Earth fan, so youíll probably like most of anything that they do. Iím a casual Iced Earth fan.
Post Athens, I love Horror Show. I think it sounds great and I have zero complaints about it. As far as the Glorious Burden, after Gettysburgh 1863, I think the album relapses back to that too sterile feeling. Again, I bet Delcaration Day is 10 times better live.

Honestly, to me, the last 2 albums have been kind of a blur. I canít get my hands around them. I certainly havenít given up on them. I think thereís a lot to offer, and I havenít had the time to really ďdig inĒ. Pyramazeís Immortal was much more accessable and I think itís an outstanding album.


OK, to answer your Maiden question: I think for the most part they are fairly well produced. I like their sound. As far as the 80ís go, Iím OK with most of it. I think Powerslave could have more balls, thatís for sure.
No Prayer, productionwise, isnít that good, and the production damn near killed both The X Factor and Virtual IX.
I canít complain about anything theyíve done since Bruce came back into the band. You could argue that 3 rhythm guitarists isnít necessary. Thatís an argument for another day. A lot of people do not care for the production on AMOLAD. I like it very much. It does a great job in capturing the energy of those songs. After hearing the Death On The Road version to Dance Of Death, maybe you could argue that the studio version didnít do it justice as well.


Production issues aside, and I donít want to turn this into a bashing Jon Shaeffer thing, but Iced Earth is a band that can be hard to root for from the outside. They just never seem to gain any momentum. The lineup changes makes it hard to find any continuity,. I like rooting for bands, not just listening to their music. Jon comments when Matt left the first time, and I remember them from the time, I thought were uncalled for. Jonís made it very clear how difficult the music business is, so I donít mean any disrespect, but the pacing of this whole Iced Earth project over the last 15 years makes it very tough to stay in touch with them. Believe me, I like Iced Earth. I just wish I liked them more.



My Iced Earth Top 10:

Gettysburgh 1863
A Question Of Heaven
Dante's Inferno
The Prophecy
Travel In Stygian
Dracula
Pure Evil
The Coming Curse
Path I Choose
Stornrider
Reaping Stone

Homestly, I would put these 10 songs up against ANY, and I mean ANY band.
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Re: The Official Iced Earth Thread
« Reply #110 on: June 02, 2009, 11:27:22 AM »
I'm having trouble getting into both.

And I think Burnt Offerings is terrible. Alive In Athens stands out because their studio work is very flawed. They have never really been able to catch Barlow quite right, and a lot of it just sounds thin. The drum sounds that they have is terrible. I forget the session drummers name off the top of my head. He's excellent, but I don't like how it's layered in the music. I think Horrow Show is probably the best produced studio album they have though.

TAC  - do you honestly think Maiden's production is better? If so, how?
Andy, I donít ever recall trumpeting Maidenís production values, but Iíll get to that later.

I reread some of my comments. I usually try to not depreciate in these threads. But I think I was looking at it as a ďdiscussionĒ thread rather than an ďappreciationĒ thread.

Let me just try and restate my thoughts. I do not  ďnotĒ like Iced Earth. There is plenty to like about them.
Alive In Athens is one of the MUST have metal albums of all time. But here was my general point regarding production: The thing that makes Alive In Athens so strong is that it truly captures the band optimally. It quite effectively captures the energy and intent of these songs in a way that is not evident on the studio versions. That is what I mean when I talk about the production of their earlier albums. I just donít think, in the studio they were ever able to capture Iced Earth in all of their glory. Iím referring to Pre Athens mind you. Something Wicked, up until that point, to me, comes the closest. I have an original Burnt Offerings and my understanding is that the remaster did wonders for this album.  Thatís good, because to me, the original sounds terrible.  Thatís just my opinion.

Alive In Athens is not unlike so many other classic live albums. What makes these albums special is that they capture the true essence of the band. UFOís Strangers In The Night, Kiss Alive, Frampton Comes Alive, Thin Lizzyís Live And Dangerous just to name a few. It takes those bandsí respective songs and elevates them far beyond what was catured on the studio versions. Alive In Athens does this for Iced Earth. Itís a victory for the live album, but I canít help but feel the missed opportunity for their studio work.
Dark Saga, to me just sounds so sterile and thin.
Now youíre a big Iced Earth fan, so youíll probably like most of anything that they do. Iím a casual Iced Earth fan.
Post Athens, I love Horror Show. I think it sounds great and I have zero complaints about it. As far as the Glorious Burden, after Gettysburgh 1863, I think the album relapses back to that too sterile feeling. Again, I bet Delcaration Day is 10 times better live.

Honestly, to me, the last 2 albums have been kind of a blur. I canít get my hands around them. I certainly havenít given up on them. I think thereís a lot to offer, and I havenít had the time to really ďdig inĒ. Pyramazeís Immortal was much more accessable and I think itís an outstanding album.


OK, to answer your Maiden question: I think for the most part they are fairly well produced. I like their sound. As far as the 80ís go, Iím OK with most of it. I think Powerslave could have more balls, thatís for sure.
No Prayer, productionwise, isnít that good, and the production damn near killed both The X Factor and Virtual IX.
I canít complain about anything theyíve done since Bruce came back into the band. You could argue that 3 rhythm guitarists isnít necessary. Thatís an argument for another day. A lot of people do not care for the production on AMOLAD. I like it very much. It does a great job in capturing the energy of those songs. After hearing the Death On The Road version to Dance Of Death, maybe you could argue that the studio version didnít do it justice as well.


Production issues aside, and I donít want to turn this into a bashing Jon Shaeffer thing, but Iced Earth is a band that can be hard to root for from the outside. They just never seem to gain any momentum. The lineup changes makes it hard to find any continuity,. I like rooting for bands, not just listening to their music. Jon comments when Matt left the first time, and I remember them from the time, I thought were uncalled for. Jonís made it very clear how difficult the music business is, so I donít mean any disrespect, but the pacing of this whole Iced Earth project over the last 15 years makes it very tough to stay in touch with them. Believe me, I like Iced Earth. I just wish I liked them more.



My Iced Earth Top 10:

Gettysburgh 1863
A Question Of Heaven
Dante's Inferno
The Prophecy
Travel In Stygian
Dracula
Pure Evil
The Coming Curse
Path I Choose
Stornrider
Reaping Stone

Homestly, I would put these 10 songs up against ANY, and I mean ANY band.

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Re: The Official Iced Earth Thread
« Reply #111 on: June 02, 2009, 11:33:10 AM »
I have an original Burnt Offerings and my understanding is that the remaster did wonders for this album.  That’s good, because to me, the original sounds terrible.  That’s just my opinion.

No, that's a fact. The original sounds very terrible. Especially the drums.

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« Reply #112 on: June 02, 2009, 11:42:35 AM »

You may now take a breathe  :hat
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Re: The Official Iced Earth Thread
« Reply #113 on: June 02, 2009, 05:38:37 PM »
Personally, I think the rotating door policy of Iced Earth has really harmed it since the Dark Saga, because ever since Randall Shawvyer left there has not been another member who has contributed significantly to songwriting like him or Dave Abell did.  They were a major part of Iced Earth's sound, and I think some of the songwriting has been lacking depth (and speed) since then.

Also, the whole vocalist switches left us with an album with Ripper performing Barlow's lines (Glorious Burden) and an album of Barlow performing Ripper's lines (Crucible of Man), limiting what could be done with both.
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« Reply #114 on: June 02, 2009, 08:05:34 PM »
Also, the whole vocalist switches left us with an album with Ripper performing Barlow's lines (Glorious Burden) and an album of Barlow performing Ripper's lines (Crucible of Man), limiting what could be done with both.

Wrong, all of them are Jon Schaffer's lines.  He writes the vocal melodies the same way, regardless of who is singing.  He has stated numerous times in interviews that he does not write songs for specific singers' voices.

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« Reply #115 on: June 02, 2009, 08:15:50 PM »
Personally, I think the rotating door policy of Iced Earth has really harmed it since the Dark Saga, because ever since Randall Shawvyer left there has not been another member who has contributed significantly to songwriting like him or Dave Abell did.  They were a major part of Iced Earth's sound, and I think some of the songwriting has been lacking depth (and speed) since then.

Also, the whole vocalist switches left us with an album with Ripper performing Barlow's lines (Glorious Burden) and an album of Barlow performing Ripper's lines (Crucible of Man), limiting what could be done with both.


Schaffer has said that he doesn't write music around the vocals, and even though he said he hears Ripper's voice when writing lyrics, in an interview I heard several months back, it sounded like he took offense to a question regarding Matt singing "Tim's Songs". Schaffer said something like, "they're not Tim's or Matt's songs, they're my songs."


But it appears that rat bastard Grappler already beat me to the punch.




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Re: The Official Iced Earth Thread
« Reply #116 on: June 03, 2009, 06:36:00 AM »
I'll say something controversial, the only problem I have with Barlow is he gets into that growl sometimes and doesn't really add anything to the song e.g. Stand alone.

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« Reply #117 on: June 03, 2009, 07:06:04 AM »
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« Reply #118 on: June 03, 2009, 07:24:35 AM »
I'll say something controversial, the only problem I have with Barlow is he gets into that growl sometimes and doesn't really add anything to the song e.g. Stand alone.

I think that's one of his strengths.
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« Reply #119 on: June 04, 2009, 12:28:41 AM »
I haven't liked any of their albums proceeding and including The Glorious Burden, but all their others are masterful.  One of my top 5 bands.  My IE top 10:

1. Travel In Stygian
2. When the Night Falls
3. Dracula
4. Burnt Offerings
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« Reply #120 on: June 04, 2009, 08:47:55 AM »
I haven't liked any of their albums proceeding and including The Glorious Burden, but all their others are masterful.  One of my top 5 bands.  My IE top 10:

1. Travel In Stygian
2. When the Night Falls
3. Dracula
4. Burnt Offerings
5. Consequences

I know opinions on music are subjective and all, but I believe your top 10 is... lacking.
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Re: The Official Iced Earth Thread
« Reply #121 on: June 04, 2009, 09:36:53 AM »
I haven't liked any of their albums proceeding and including The Glorious Burden, but all their others are masterful.  One of my top 5 bands.  My IE top 10:

1. Travel In Stygian
2. When the Night Falls
3. Dracula
4. Burnt Offerings
5. Consequences
That's a nifty set of 10 songs you got there, sir.
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I felt its length in quite a few places.

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« Reply #122 on: June 04, 2009, 12:45:50 PM »
Has anybody heard "Enter the Realm"?

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« Reply #123 on: June 04, 2009, 01:58:32 PM »
I'm having trouble getting into both.

And I think Burnt Offerings is terrible. Alive In Athens stands out because their studio work is very flawed. They have never really been able to catch Barlow quite right, and a lot of it just sounds thin. The drum sounds that they have is terrible. I forget the session drummers name off the top of my head. He's excellent, but I don't like how it's layered in the music. I think Horrow Show is probably the best produced studio album they have though.

TAC  - do you honestly think Maiden's production is better? If so, how?
Andy, I donít ever recall trumpeting Maidenís production values, but Iíll get to that later.

I reread some of my comments. I usually try to not depreciate in these threads. But I think I was looking at it as a ďdiscussionĒ thread rather than an ďappreciationĒ thread.

Let me just try and restate my thoughts. I do not  ďnotĒ like Iced Earth. There is plenty to like about them.
Alive In Athens is one of the MUST have metal albums of all time. But here was my general point regarding production: The thing that makes Alive In Athens so strong is that it truly captures the band optimally. It quite effectively captures the energy and intent of these songs in a way that is not evident on the studio versions. That is what I mean when I talk about the production of their earlier albums. I just donít think, in the studio they were ever able to capture Iced Earth in all of their glory. Iím referring to Pre Athens mind you. Something Wicked, up until that point, to me, comes the closest. I have an original Burnt Offerings and my understanding is that the remaster did wonders for this album.  Thatís good, because to me, the original sounds terrible.  Thatís just my opinion.

Alive In Athens is not unlike so many other classic live albums. What makes these albums special is that they capture the true essence of the band. UFOís Strangers In The Night, Kiss Alive, Frampton Comes Alive, Thin Lizzyís Live And Dangerous just to name a few. It takes those bandsí respective songs and elevates them far beyond what was catured on the studio versions. Alive In Athens does this for Iced Earth. Itís a victory for the live album, but I canít help but feel the missed opportunity for their studio work.
Dark Saga, to me just sounds so sterile and thin.
Now youíre a big Iced Earth fan, so youíll probably like most of anything that they do. Iím a casual Iced Earth fan.
Post Athens, I love Horror Show. I think it sounds great and I have zero complaints about it. As far as the Glorious Burden, after Gettysburgh 1863, I think the album relapses back to that too sterile feeling. Again, I bet Delcaration Day is 10 times better live.

Honestly, to me, the last 2 albums have been kind of a blur. I canít get my hands around them. I certainly havenít given up on them. I think thereís a lot to offer, and I havenít had the time to really ďdig inĒ. Pyramazeís Immortal was much more accessable and I think itís an outstanding album.


OK, to answer your Maiden question: I think for the most part they are fairly well produced. I like their sound. As far as the 80ís go, Iím OK with most of it. I think Powerslave could have more balls, thatís for sure.
No Prayer, productionwise, isnít that good, and the production damn near killed both The X Factor and Virtual IX.
I canít complain about anything theyíve done since Bruce came back into the band. You could argue that 3 rhythm guitarists isnít necessary. Thatís an argument for another day. A lot of people do not care for the production on AMOLAD. I like it very much. It does a great job in capturing the energy of those songs. After hearing the Death On The Road version to Dance Of Death, maybe you could argue that the studio version didnít do it justice as well.


Production issues aside, and I donít want to turn this into a bashing Jon Shaeffer thing, but Iced Earth is a band that can be hard to root for from the outside. They just never seem to gain any momentum. The lineup changes makes it hard to find any continuity,. I like rooting for bands, not just listening to their music. Jon comments when Matt left the first time, and I remember them from the time, I thought were uncalled for. Jonís made it very clear how difficult the music business is, so I donít mean any disrespect, but the pacing of this whole Iced Earth project over the last 15 years makes it very tough to stay in touch with them. Believe me, I like Iced Earth. I just wish I liked them more.



My Iced Earth Top 10:

Gettysburgh 1863
A Question Of Heaven
Dante's Inferno
The Prophecy
Travel In Stygian
Dracula
Pure Evil
The Coming Curse
Path I Choose
Stornrider
Reaping Stone

Homestly, I would put these 10 songs up against ANY, and I mean ANY band.

This actually sums up my thoughts on Iced Earth album 100% :tup

I've tried to get on the inside of this band multiple times, but they have a way of making me just not want to care anymore. Anyway, I like Blind Guardian and Demons and Wizards much better.

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« Reply #124 on: June 04, 2009, 02:00:57 PM »
I haven't liked any of their albums proceeding and including The Glorious Burden, but all their others are masterful.  One of my top 5 bands.  My IE top 10:

1. Travel In Stygian
2. When the Night Falls
3. Dracula
4. Burnt Offerings
5. Consequences

I know opinions on music are subjective and all, but I believe your top 10 is... lacking.
Lol, yeah.  I decided to change it to simply a top 5, but apparently forgot to change the text accordingly...

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« Reply #125 on: June 05, 2009, 07:45:25 AM »
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« Reply #126 on: June 05, 2009, 12:54:28 PM »
What annoys me about Maiden is they'll never downtune and for the entire 1990s didn't seem to even try a heavier kind of production or guitar effect or something. One possible exception is "Brighter than a Thousand Sons". Iced Earth is a ton heavier not just because of the faster gallop that everbody talks about but *because* of the production.

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« Reply #127 on: June 05, 2009, 01:06:15 PM »
What annoys me about Maiden is they'll never downtune and for the entire 1990s didn't seem to even try a heavier kind of production or guitar effect or something. One possible exception is "Brighter than a Thousand Sons". Iced Earth is a ton heavier not just because of the faster gallop that everbody talks about but *because* of the production.

I concur about the 90's Maiden production values. Very lacking indeed. But please don't turn this into an Iced Earth vs Iron Maiden thread. Brighter Than 1000 Suns was a 2006 release, and everything they've done in the 00's has been pretty well put together.

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« Reply #128 on: June 05, 2009, 01:20:43 PM »
What annoys me about Maiden is they'll never downtune and for the entire 1990s didn't seem to even try a heavier kind of production or guitar effect or something. One possible exception is "Brighter than a Thousand Sons". Iced Earth is a ton heavier not just because of the faster gallop that everbody talks about but *because* of the production.

I concur about the 90's Maiden production values. Very lacking indeed. But please don't turn this into an Iced Earth vs Iron Maiden thread. Brighter Than 1000 Suns was a 2006 release, and everything they've done in the 00's has been pretty well put together.


That could be a very interesting discussion provided it was just comparisons and not rubbishing the other band.

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« Reply #129 on: June 05, 2009, 03:04:08 PM »
That could be a very interesting discussion provided it was just comparisons and not rubbishing the other band.

One that hopefully starts with "There would be no Iced Earth without an Iron Maiden" first.

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« Reply #130 on: June 06, 2009, 03:23:24 PM »
Well, here's where I get controversial. I think Iced Earth is decent, but the only album of theirs that I consider to be good, and that I still listen to on a regular basis, is the self-titled. So, for the poll, I voted (seriously) for the comedy option.

I don't know what my issue is with the other albums is...but they just don't click with me. The Glorious Burden is okay, but it's not something I feel like listening to very much. Most of the other albums are, like I said, decent, but they just don't stick out to me.
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« Reply #131 on: June 28, 2009, 04:33:21 AM »
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« Reply #132 on: July 24, 2009, 01:20:51 PM »
I wish Schaffer would get on with this new video. In the entire history of the band there's been one live video and even that wasn't sanctioned by Schaffer.

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« Reply #133 on: July 24, 2009, 01:44:28 PM »
I picked up The Dark Saga and Night of The Stormrider recently. Both good albums, but man, Barlow is awesome on Saga.

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Re: The Official Iced Earth Thread
« Reply #134 on: July 24, 2009, 02:38:45 PM »
Both good albums, but man, Barlow is awesome on everything.

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Re: The Official Iced Earth Thread
« Reply #135 on: July 24, 2009, 02:40:27 PM »
Global Warming.

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Re: The Official Iced Earth Thread
« Reply #136 on: July 29, 2009, 10:21:15 PM »
Found this interview of Schaffer explaining the story behind the Something Wicked saga. Pretty interesting.

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Re: The Official Iced Earth Thread
« Reply #137 on: August 21, 2009, 09:21:58 PM »
I've been hearing about a box set that is supposed to have Framing Armageddon re-recorded with Barlow doing vocals so he's on both Framing and Crucible. Has anyone else heard about this/have and updates on it?
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Re: The Official Iced Earth Thread
« Reply #138 on: August 21, 2009, 09:24:56 PM »
As of now, the box set has been scrapped because label SPV went bankrupt.

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Re: The Official Iced Earth Thread
« Reply #139 on: August 21, 2009, 09:27:23 PM »
Damn that's a shame. As much as it would have sucked for Owens to have a bunch of his work done over I think it would have been really interesting to see what Framing Armageddon would sound like with Barlow.
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