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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #1435 on: March 04, 2012, 08:27:50 PM »
Oh wow, I didn't even realize that. I just looked at the schedule, and there's only 8 more caucuses coming. All other states will be primaries (which I assume are winner-takes-all).

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« Reply #1436 on: March 04, 2012, 08:32:35 PM »
That would explain it; I wasn't paying attention to politics in 2008. :p
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« Reply #1437 on: March 04, 2012, 08:54:08 PM »
Oh wow, I didn't even realize that. I just looked at the schedule, and there's only 8 more caucuses coming. All other states will be primaries (which I assume are winner-takes-all).

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Some of the primaries are proportional, but the delegate count for those are typically somewhat tied to the results. Few if any have the caucus loophole that could allow a candidate to get a bunch of delegates without actually doing well in the vote.

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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #1438 on: March 04, 2012, 09:18:23 PM »
Eh, I think even among the diehard RP supporters it's a bit of an open secret that he's dead in the water. There's still some hilarious threads on his forum about "here's how the math works", but I think most people there realize it's grasping for straws.

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« Reply #1439 on: March 05, 2012, 09:09:55 AM »
Man, the lack of condemnation of Limbaugh's stunt there from the candidates is sad and depressing, I can definitely say that a McCain would have at least stood up and injected some class into the whole thing.

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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #1440 on: March 05, 2012, 09:34:13 AM »
Class?  These are Republicans.
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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #1441 on: March 05, 2012, 09:40:02 AM »
What was the stunt?
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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #1442 on: March 05, 2012, 09:46:48 AM »
Man, the lack of condemnation of Limbaugh's stunt there from the candidates is sad and depressing, I can definitely say that a McCain would have at least stood up and injected some class into the whole thing.

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Is this referring to the "girls who take birth control are sluts" thing?
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« Reply #1443 on: March 05, 2012, 09:47:57 AM »
What was the stunt?

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/29/rush-limbaugh-sandra-fluke-slut_n_1311640.html?ref=media

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Rush Limbaugh called the woman who was denied the right to speak at a controversial contraception hearing a "slut" on Wednesday.

Sandra Fluke, a student at Georgetown Law School, was supposed to be the Democratic witness at a Congressional hearing about the Obama administration's contraception policy. However, Darrell Issa, the committee chair at the hearing, prevented her from speaking, while only allowing a series of men to testify about the policy. Fluke eventually spoke to a Democratic hearing, and talked about the need for birth control for both reproductive and broader medical reasons. She mentioned in particular a friend of hers who needed contraception to prevent the growth of cysts.

To Limbaugh, though, Fluke was just promoting casual sex.

"Can you imagine if you were her parents how proud...you would be?" he said. "Your daughter ... testifies she's having so much sex she can't afford her own birth control pills and she wants President Obama to provide them, or the Pope."

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"What does it say about the college co-ed Susan Fluke [sic] who goes before a congressional committee and essentially says that she must be paid to have sex -- what does that make her? It makes her a slut, right? It makes her a prostitute. She wants to be paid to have sex. She's having so much sex she can't afford the contraception. She wants you and me and the taxpayers to pay her to have sex."

Limbaugh then said, "ok, so she's not a slut. She's round-heeled." "Round-heeled" is an old-fashioned term for promiscuity.

Limbaugh's comments came on the same day that Fluke was mentioned during a debate in the Senate about the so-called "Blunt Amendment," which would override Obama's contraception rule. Sen. Barbara Boxer brought up Fluke's testimony, recounting what she would have said at the Congressional panel if she had been given the opportunity.
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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #1444 on: March 05, 2012, 09:50:10 AM »
What was the stunt?

There's a discussion about whether health insurances should be required to cover birth control. A girl spoke in front of Congress about the matter, and Rush Limbaugh openly called her a "slut" and a "prostitute". At this point I think 7 of his sponsors have pulled out, but the current presidential candidates have barely said anything against his statements. It' despicable really.

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« Reply #1445 on: March 05, 2012, 09:51:38 AM »
You also forgot the part where he later said that if his tax dollars had to pay for her contraception so she can have all the casual sex that she should post videos of it online so he can watch.   Stay classy conservatives.

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« Reply #1446 on: March 05, 2012, 09:54:04 AM »
XJ, the sad part is that this isn't some isolated case really. The Republicans as of late have shifted their discourse to more and more acrid statements. The stuff people like Santorum and Gingrich have said publicly can not be classified any other than "running on hate". Given how the Republicans can essentially forget about the black voters in the first place, I'm surprised the N word hasn't surfaced yet in some interview about Obama, in the hope of pandering to yet another sub-class of Republicans that should be best kept suppressed.

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« Reply #1447 on: March 05, 2012, 10:47:17 AM »
Needless to say, this election will be a veritable culture war.
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« Reply #1448 on: March 05, 2012, 01:26:53 PM »
yes yes and the issues I care about will again go untouched.

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« Reply #1449 on: March 05, 2012, 01:29:55 PM »
Just as a point of curiosity, what are the issues you care about?
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« Reply #1450 on: March 05, 2012, 01:30:47 PM »
Tentacle porn will never become a campaign issue. Live with it, antigoon.

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« Reply #1451 on: March 05, 2012, 01:32:10 PM »
Why would it, unless Santorum would want to ban it (which he probably would, by executive order). :lol

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« Reply #1452 on: March 05, 2012, 01:42:56 PM »
Tentacle porn will never become a campaign issue. Live with it, antigoon.

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« Reply #1453 on: March 05, 2012, 01:57:48 PM »
Tentacle porn will never become a campaign issue. Live with it, antigoon.

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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #1454 on: March 05, 2012, 03:05:08 PM »
Tentacle porn will never become a campaign issue. Live with it, antigoon.

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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #1455 on: March 05, 2012, 08:10:13 PM »
:lol

So, what's everybody's guess? After tomorrow, do you think all candidates will continue?
I would think Gingrich will call it a day. He will have gotten his trophy Georgia and can then stop without losing too much face, maybe with the intent of having another go at it in 2016.
Santorum will definitely continue I would think, no matter tomorrow's results.
Ron Paul, no idea. He will get his ass handed to him tomorrow (Georgia has him at 8%, Tennessee at 9%), after which this whole "our delegate strategy works fine" will sound ludicrous.

EDIT: Interesting article:

https://m.cnn.com/primary/wk_article?articleId=urn:newsml:CNN.com:20120305:brazile-gop-primary:1&branding=election.2012&category=cnnd_politics&pagesize=10

It predicts that no candidate will quit because each of them is backed by some billionaire.

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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #1456 on: March 06, 2012, 08:34:09 AM »
How to commit political suicide:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/05/ron-paul-tornado-fema-aid-_n_1321690.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009

RP: "Tornado victims should not get any help, they should have bought insurance."

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« Reply #1457 on: March 06, 2012, 08:43:43 AM »
I actually don't have a problem with some of those statements about federal money and disaster. There are some interesting thoughts behind it, once you get past the "how could he think that" sentiment.

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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #1458 on: March 06, 2012, 08:56:39 AM »
Here are my projections for today's voting - these are the winners in each state:

Alaska:
Mitt Romney

Idaho:
Mitt Romney

North Dakota:
Mitt Romney

Georgia: 
Newt Gingrich

Massachusetts:
Mitt Romney

Ohio:
Mitt Romney

Oklahoma:
Rick Santorum

Tennessee:
Rick Santorum

Virginia:
Mitt Romney

April 3rd:
Wisconsin:
Rick Santorum

Even though Romney walks away with over 200 delegates and Santorum only takes about 70 to 80 delegates, this won't be enough to get Santorum out of the race.  Gingrich will call it a day and Ron Paul is, er, Ron Paul.   

As far as Ron Paul's position on federal disaster aid, yeah, that's typical Libertarianism
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« Reply #1459 on: March 06, 2012, 09:01:54 AM »
I actually don't have a problem with some of those statements about federal money and disaster. There are some interesting thoughts behind it, once you get past the "how could he think that" sentiment.

What Paul doesn't seem to understand is how to word this. Of course I understand his stance, and of course it would be better for people to purchase insurance instead of having to rely on outside help, but he should be talking about the future, not the present. He should talk about how when he is president, he will try to make sure everybody has enough insurance to not have to rely on FEMA. Paul already has a public reputation of liking money more than people, telling tornado victims "Tough luck, shoulda bought insurance while you had time!" only strengthens that perception.

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« Reply #1460 on: March 06, 2012, 09:15:34 AM »
That's the point the Republicans have gotten to. The guy saying victims of natural disasters shouldn't get any federal assistance is the least detestable in the race. Heck, Barbara Bush has called this campaign the worst she has ever seen.

Speaking of Paul, apparently CNN is floating the possibility of Paul winning Alaska and North Dakota. I doubt it will happen, but given how unpredictable this primary season has been, it wouldn't be the most shocking thing ever.

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« Reply #1461 on: March 06, 2012, 12:08:08 PM »
Five Romney family members endorse Ron Paul and will speak for him in Idaho:

https://www.ronpaul2012.com/2012/03/05/ron-paul-idaho-team-welcomes-romney-family-members-as-surrogate-caucus-speakers/

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« Reply #1462 on: March 06, 2012, 12:13:10 PM »
I'm really interested to see what happens today.  I'm not expecting today the results to be definitive.  But if Santorum gains significant ground, Romney could be in trouble.  I think Michigan was potentially a serious momentum shift.  If Romney is to be "the guy," he really should have been able to carry more delegates than he did. 
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« Reply #1463 on: March 06, 2012, 12:13:39 PM »
I couldn't help but notice that they never mention the relation to Mitt. The only mention is "sharing common ancestry" for one of them. At this point I'm assuming they're talking second cousin removed or something.

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« Reply #1464 on: March 06, 2012, 12:18:25 PM »
Okay, here are my predictions;

Romney;
Massachusetts, Vermont, Virginia, Idaho, Ohio

Gingrich;
Georgia

Santorum;
Oklahoma, Tennessee

Paul;
North Dakota

Idaho will have surprisingly strong Paul support, but not enough to turn it in his favor. Ohio will be very close between Romney and Santorum, with Romney getting a slight edge in the popular vote, while getting significantly more delegates due to Santorum not filling out all of the proper paperwork (even if Santorum were to win Ohio in a landslide, he's literally ineligible to win at least a quarter of the state's delegates because of a clerical error).

As for Alaska, I have absolutely no idea. It will be close between Romney and Paul. Santorum will do better than expected, but will be running for second there rather than first.

No one will drop out after today. All of the candidates will declare that they did better than expected and attempt to spin the results to their advantage. We're nowhere near the end of this thing.

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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #1465 on: March 06, 2012, 12:49:33 PM »
I couldn't help but notice that they never mention the relation to Mitt. The only mention is "sharing common ancestry" for one of them. At this point I'm assuming they're talking second cousin removed or something.

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From what I've read the relation is very distant, as in, they don't know each other.

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« Reply #1466 on: March 06, 2012, 01:09:56 PM »
due to Santorum not filling out all of the proper paperwork (even if Santorum were to win Ohio in a landslide, he's literally ineligible to win at least a quarter of the state's delegates because of a clerical error).

What's this? I never heard about that.
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« Reply #1467 on: March 06, 2012, 01:30:05 PM »
Couple of first cousin's and second cousin's sons and stuff.

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« Reply #1468 on: March 06, 2012, 01:34:06 PM »
He is Mormon, the families bound to be large.



Oh, and another reason I think Obama will win this election was what he did today. He does play the game of politics well, and he's become very good at distracting attention away from Republicans.

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« Reply #1469 on: March 06, 2012, 01:35:23 PM »
At the end of the day, if Santorum or Romney win the nomination he will not have a chance against Obama.




Right?