Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album

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Metal All Stars with Geoff Tate - Jet City Woman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvcXvAZ2Nbk

That first verse...

[bl5150]

Well that's one way to make Geoff look good 

[wolfking]

Do you think the whole band just agreed to pawn the fuck out of him with that verse? 

[Mindflux]

Do you think the whole band just agreed to pawn the fuck out of him with that verse? 

Do what?

[wolfking]

Do you think the whole band just agreed to pawn the fuck out of him with that verse? 

Do what?

I got the term wrong didn't I?  'pwn' is that it.  I mean 'own' him, fuck him over.

[Zook]

So they did that on purpose and it wasn't a huge cluster fuck all around?

[wolfking]

So they did that on purpose and it wasn't a huge cluster fuck all around?

I don't think so, I was just joking.  But it does seem like they all fucked at the same when Geoff is suppose to start singing.

[Zook]

I hope James LaBrie is doing better.

Also, was Jet City Woman written by Tate, or is that just the only song he's able to sort of sing properly anymore?

[bosk1]

Also, was Jet City Woman written by Tate, or is that just the only song he's able to sort of sing properly anymore?

No, he did not write it.  And, no, he cannot sing it properly, unless you count croaking out half the lyrics to something that vaguely sounds like the original vocal melody with the song tuned down a full step.  But he knows it is one of the songs people recognize, so he does it.

[Zook]

Also, was Jet City Woman written by Tate, or is that just the only song he's able to sort of sing properly anymore?

No, he did not write it.  And, no, he cannot sing it properly, unless you count croaking out half the lyrics to something that vaguely sounds like the original vocal melody with the song tuned down a full step.  But he knows it is one of the songs people recognize, so he does it.

That's why I said sort of. Like bad karaoke.

[MoraWintersoul]

I hope James LaBrie is doing better.

James is doing fine, but if you're familiar with Impermanent Resonance, you'll know that this is not how I Got You is supposed to sound. Hell, even if this is your first time with the song, you'll see how awful the backing band on it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15zTFKBS_0w 

[Zook]

I hope James LaBrie is doing better.

James is doing fine, but if you're familiar with Impermanent Resonance, you'll know that this is not how I Got You is supposed to sound. Hell, even if this is your first time with the song, you'll see how awful the backing band on it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15zTFKBS_0w 

Yeah, that's a pretty big screw up.

[crawl_away]

Also, was Jet City Woman written by Tate, or is that just the only song he's able to sort of sing properly anymore?

No, he did not write it.  And, no, he cannot sing it properly, unless you count croaking out half the lyrics to something that vaguely sounds like the original vocal melody with the song tuned down a full step.  But he knows it is one of the songs people recognize, so he does it.

Well, he did write it. At least the lyrics. Which are generally believed to be 50 percent of a song's creative worth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_City_Woman#cite_note-1

https://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=22460

Just reading the last page of this thread, I have a concern to raise. If users are expected to be respectful to all members of Dream Theater, does this also extend to members of other bands? Because whatever Geoff Tate may be guilty of, does it not lower the standards of the entire DTF board when we rip personally on Geoff in this thread? (I would say the same point  is beginning to apply to the Mike Portnoy thread). This thread is edging close to the comments you might find on Blabbermouth. Something to be avoided me-thinks

[bosk1]

Well, he did write it. At least the lyrics. Which are generally believed to be 50 percent of a song's creative worth. 

Writing some of the lyrics is not the same thing as writing the song.  So, no, Geoff Tate did not write Jet City Woman.  And I have no idea why you say lyrics "are generally believed to be 50 percent of a song's creative worth."  That is not generally considered true in the music industry, and I do not believe I have ever heard anyone say they believe that (well, except maybe Geoff Tate, who apparently believes that writing lyrics is all that matters).

Just reading the last page of this thread, I have a concern to raise. If users are expected to be respectful to all members of Dream Theater, does this also extend to members of other bands?

No.  This is a Dream Theater discussion forum, not a Dream Theater and other bands discussion forum.  The purpose of this forum is not to promote other bands.  People are free to discuss things other than Dream Theater (and are encouraged to do so, if they like), but that is not the purpose of this forum.  People are free to be critical, provided they do not bait or attack others in doing so.

And I am not sure what comments about Tate you are referring to, but the vast majority of what is in this thread about him is either factual or is opinion about his performances, so I'm not sure what in particular you are taking issue with.

[Zook]

Geoff Tate is a raging douche nozzle, and deserves any negativity towards him... except physical violence.... But I hold out hope that James LaBrie kicks him in the nuts on the all stars tour.

[bosk1]

Okay, well maybe some posts in this thread have crossed the "bad taste" line just a bit...

[wolfking]

Just reading the last page of this thread, I have a concern to raise. If users are expected to be respectful to all members of Dream Theater, does this also extend to members of other bands? Because whatever Geoff Tate may be guilty of, does it not lower the standards of the entire DTF board when we rip personally on Geoff in this thread? (I would say the same point  is beginning to apply to the Mike Portnoy thread). This thread is edging close to the comments you might find on Blabbermouth. Something to be avoided me-thinks

Sorry mate, since you're talking about Geoff Tate, your arguments are invalid.  This board has always shown respect and I have never wanted to discuss music with such fine, mature people.

Most of us here that talk shit about Geoff have been long time fans of the band and are just giving Geoff back the lack of respect he gives his fans.

[Zook]

Most of us here that talk shit about Geoff have been long time fans of the band and are just giving Geoff back the lack of respect he gives his fans.

... That's what I meant.

[bl5150]

I don't think so, I was just joking.  But it does seem like they all fucked at the same when Geoff is suppose to start singing.

The self preservation instinct can be a powerful thing....

[TAC]

That Jet City Woman clip was hard to watch.

[jingle.boy]

That Jet City Woman clip was hard to watch.

Which is why I didn't watch it.

[TAC]

James, on the other hand, sounds great. Much better band too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GWc0UXzqb0

[wolfking]

James, on the other hand, sounds great. Much better band too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GWc0UXzqb0

Except on I Got You.

[PowerSlave]

I'll admit that I did make a post a few pages back that was "borderline" nasty and abusive about GT. However, I think that WK's comment about that subject just about covers my feelings about it as well. I'd be ecstatic if he redeemed himself and proved every negative feeling that many of us have about him wrong. GT has a very long way to go to ever get to that point, though.

[jjrock88]

That Jet City Woman clip was hard to watch.

Which is why I didn't watch it.

I watched about 45 seconds, then I said what the hell am I doing and turned it off.

[MoraWintersoul]

I hope James LaBrie is doing better.

James is doing fine, but if you're familiar with Impermanent Resonance, you'll know that this is not how I Got You is supposed to sound. Hell, even if this is your first time with the song, you'll see how awful the backing band on it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15zTFKBS_0w 

Yeah, that's a pretty big screw up.

aaaaaaaaaaah shit I was sending this to someone else

[TheGreatPretender]

Anyway, speaking of Queensryche. Honestly, I'm not too impressed by the incentives for the fundraising campaign. Some of the higher ones in the $100s are pretty amazing, and really well priced for die hard Queensryche fans, but nothing in the double digits makes me want to pay for this album ahead of time.

[Deathless]

Queensryche announced last night that they will be opening for The Scorpions during their fall North American tour! Some great exposure for the guys with a new album out!

Dates so far:
Sep. 10 - Blue Hills Bank Pavilion - Boston, MA
Sep. 12 - Barclays Center - Brooklyn, NY
Sep. 13 - Meadowbrook - Gilford, NH
Sep. 18 - Molson Canadian Amphitheatre - Toronto, ON
Sep. 19 - Bell Centre - Montreal, QC
Sep. 22 - LC Pavilion - Columbus, OH
Sep. 23 - Jacobs Pavilion at Nautica - Cleveland, OH
Sep. 25 - Caesar’s Windsor - Windsor, ON
Sep. 26 - Allstate Arena - Chicago, IL
Oct. 01 - SAP Center - San Jose, CA
Oct. 03 - The Forum - Los Angeles, CA

[jjrock88]

Hopefully more dates are added

[bosk1]

That is great news.  They are never going to rise back out of obscurity if they do not do more of this sort of promotion.  Not sure what is holding them back.

[Mebert78]

For fun, I just went to queensryche.com, and I realized that it forwards to Tate's new OperationMindcrime band (operationmindcrime.com).  I'm surprised the queensryche.com domain didn't go to the real QR guys. 

 

[Mindflux]

For fun, I just went to queensryche.com, and I realized that it forwards to Tate's new OperationMindcrime band (operationmindcrime.com).  I'm surprised the queensryche.com domain didn't go to the real QR guys. 

 

https://queensrycheofficial.com/

[Nick]

For fun, I just went to queensryche.com, and I realized that it forwards to Tate's new OperationMindcrime band (operationmindcrime.com).  I'm surprised the queensryche.com domain didn't go to the real QR guys. 

 

Tate's people had control of the website, facebook, and other such sites before the split. So before any legal issues got settled the guys had to create all new pages for everything. While that was clearly bullshit, at the time there was no other choice. Having then built up their new site and social media pages it likely wasn't worth the hassle of trying to completely shut down the old stuff. Easier to just let Geoff have it and be done. Considering the only following he is going to have going forward is clingers on from his time in Queensryche, you can bet he would have drawn things out even more had they made a serious attempt to take that.

[bosk1]

The fact that this thread has languished for so long and was bumped only, basically, because of a mistake is a good indication of this band's trajectory.  Sad to say that any bump in goodwill and popularity the band saw when they released their last album is a faded memory that has been squandered by them sitting on their hands and doing pretty much nothing.  As much as I hate to say it, it looks like Geoff was right about the band's lack of motivation and business savvy. 

[bl5150]

You could argue that they haven't done enough publicity but IMO they haven't been inactive at all.   They're gigging all through April (incl.MOR Cruise) and have been providing at least weekly studio updates/outtakes on the new album to their Pledgers.  Two Facebook updates in the last 24 hrs.  There's a lot worse out there.

Tate has had one Facebook update in 2 months and no news on his website since 2014.  No real gigs either of late aside from those laughable tribute shows