Star Wars Discussion Thread v. Rogue One

[Logain Ablar]

The only parts of Empire I find slow are the Yoda/Luke training scenes on Dagobah.

Sure, they are important scenes, I just find they drag a little.

[BlackInk]

We made some popcorn, had a few laughs, and she stayed awake through the whole thing. So I consider it a success.

I also found a moment in Phantom Menace that I hadn't really ever noticed before. When the crew arrives on Coruscant and they split up, Anakin is all confused about where he's supposed to go so he looks back at Qui-Gon and points askingly a few times in different directions. I thought that was a legitimately funny moment, not because it was bad, it was just good. Unfortunately, it's probably the only intentionally funny thing in the entire movie, and probably because it doesn't involve a word of dialogue. It's subtle moment, which is why it works I'd say.

[hefdaddy42]

I also found a moment in Phantom Menace that I hadn't really ever noticed before. When the crew arrives on Coruscant and they split up, Anakin is all confused about where he's supposed to go so he looks back at Qui-Gon and points askingly a few times in different directions. I thought that was a legitimately funny moment, not because it was bad, it was just good. Unfortunately, it's probably the only intentionally funny thing in the entire movie, and probably because it doesn't involve a word of dialogue. It's subtle moment, which is why it works I'd say.

It was probably ad-libbed by the actors.  I doubt Lucas had a hand in that.

[Orbert]

A good director can pull stuff like that out of his actors, too, or it could have come about collaboratively.  Either way, yeah, I'm sure Lucas didn't have it in the script.

[Phoenix87x]

They look like they are ready to fuck shit up.

[Kotowboy]

Oh Goody.

Captain DoesNothing is back !

[gmillerdrake]

https://ifunny.co/fun/JlY3Ty6q4

[Logain Ablar]

https://ifunny.co/fun/JlY3Ty6q4

Brilliant!! That's made my morning.

[BlobVanDam]

Is it a new meme/thing to cut up words from shows to songs, because I saw an entirely different one only yesterday.

[Kotowboy]

Is it a new meme/thing to cut up words from shows to songs, because I saw an entirely different one only yesterday.

If it wasn't then it will be by the end of the week.

[BlobVanDam]

I figure if I'm just finding out about it now, then it was probably already popular two weeks ago.

[Kotowboy]

That's Aussie internet for you !!

[TheOutlawXanadu]

Did anyone get a chance to check out the new Vanity Fair article? There's a lot of good information in there.

Minor spoiler: Rian Johnson is doing something that is very simple, but really interesting... Again, minor spoiler... In that he is going to explore the elite of the Star Wars galaxy by having Fin go to a planet where all the rich douchebags live. I'm surprised that it hasn't been done before up until now.

[bosk1]

Sounds like a cool idea.  I'm going to stay away and not spoil anything though.  I would prefer to not know.  I have read TONS of spoilers about Alien: Covenant just because I've gotten to an age where I don't find it enjoyable to be scared, but I still want to see it, so I'm trying to front-load as much info about the film as possible before I see it.  But generally, I'd prefer not to know everything about a film before I see it.  That is getting harder and harder to do these days.

[Kotowboy]

Alien Covenant is not scary in the slightest.

[PowerSlave]

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[Kotowboy]

POSSIBLE SPOLIER

https://www.nme.com/news/film/star-wars-lego-fan-theories-supreme-leader-snoke-2079845

[Phoenix87x]

https://fox13now.com/2017/06/19/star-wars-carrie-fisher-had-cocaine-heroin-ecstasy-in-system-at-time-of-death/

[TheOutlawXanadu]

Apparently the Han Solo directors have dropped out of the project. Between that and the fiasco with Rogue One last year, Lucasfilm ain't looking so good, at least with regards to their treatment of directors.

[faizoff]

I wonder if Lord and Miller were going for a more goofy version along the lines of the jump street movies. We've seen that Lucasfilm aren't afraid to get dark like they did with Rogue One. The movie was 3 weeks away from completing shooting apparently.

[jingle.boy]

What a cluster fuck.

[Cool Chris]

Poor Carrie. Sad this news had to come out.

Between that and the fiasco with Rogue One last year, Lucasfilm ain't looking so good, at least with regards to their treatment of directors

Not sure of R1 can be considered a fiasco, with just some late re-shoots and a billion at the box-office. This movie is a different animal. First, they are trying to give answers to questions no one cares about. No one cares about a Han pre-Ep4 story, so don't try and create a demand for one. Second, I've never heard of these directors. Stay in your lane, fellas. You may be captain of this ship (or you were), but Kathleen is Admiral of the Fleet.

[faizoff]

Lord and Miller have directed some successful movies so far even though they are just few. They did the Jump Street movies, The Lego Movie and Cloudy with a chance of meatballs. They have a pretty good track record, as I said before, I get the sense they may have wanted to take the movie in a goofier direction given their movie making repertoire.

[gmillerdrake]

Lord and Miller have directed some successful movies so far even though they are just few. They did the Jump Street movies, The Lego Movie and Cloudy with a chance of meatballs. They have a pretty good track record, as I said before, I get the sense they may have wanted to take the movie in a goofier direction given their movie making repertoire.

Which is why she just corrected the horrible mistake of hiring them in the first place. I just became WAY more interested in this movie given this great news.

[faizoff]

There's more info in this article and it just sounds like it was never meant to work from the start.

https://variety.com/2017/film/news/star-wars-han-solo-kathleen-kennedy-director-fired-1202473919/

[BlobVanDam]

Between that and the fiasco with Rogue One last year, Lucasfilm ain't looking so good, at least with regards to their treatment of directors

Not sure of R1 can be considered a fiasco, with just some late re-shoots and a billion at the box-office. This movie is a different animal. First, they are trying to give answers to questions no one cares about. No one cares about a Han pre-Ep4 story, so don't try and create a demand for one. Second, I've never heard of these directors. Stay in your lane, fellas. You may be captain of this ship (or you were), but Kathleen is Admiral of the Fleet.

Yeah, there was no fiasco with R1. It was a standard reshoot that some SW fans thought was a big deal.
Firing both directors mid filming though? That's huge. There's been a lot of negativity about this movie from the start, and this isn't going to help. I'm interested to see if this move helps the movie or hurts it even more.

[Cool Chris]

"Studio Involvement" is the bane of the film director's existence, and something you generally don't want to hear as a film goer, as studio execs are not generally artistically inclined and their involvement rarely betters a film. Considering the check Disney wrote for Lucasfilm though, I can see them wanting to have more control over these projects, and Kathleen isn't a stranger to quality movies.

I hadn't any interest in this project yet, as evidenced by me not even knowing who the directors were. There can be such a thing as SW fatigue, and I in interested in new, fresh projects, not trying to fill in gaps and tell backstories I didn't care of in the first place.

[Adami]

Between that and the fiasco with Rogue One last year, Lucasfilm ain't looking so good, at least with regards to their treatment of directors

Not sure of R1 can be considered a fiasco, with just some late re-shoots and a billion at the box-office. This movie is a different animal. First, they are trying to give answers to questions no one cares about. No one cares about a Han pre-Ep4 story, so don't try and create a demand for one. Second, I've never heard of these directors. Stay in your lane, fellas. You may be captain of this ship (or you were), but Kathleen is Admiral of the Fleet.

Yeah, there was no fiasco with R1. It was a standard reshoot that some SW fans thought was a big deal.
Firing both directors mid filming though? That's huge. There's been a lot of negativity about this movie from the start, and this isn't going to help. I'm interested to see if this move helps the movie or hurts it even more.

Reshoots are standards, but a lot of the final version of R1 was done through those reshoots, specifically the ending. They re-wrote pretty big parts of that film for the reshoots.

All for the better, if you ask me, since the parts everyone seems to like all came from the re-writes.

[BlobVanDam]

Between that and the fiasco with Rogue One last year, Lucasfilm ain't looking so good, at least with regards to their treatment of directors

Not sure of R1 can be considered a fiasco, with just some late re-shoots and a billion at the box-office. This movie is a different animal. First, they are trying to give answers to questions no one cares about. No one cares about a Han pre-Ep4 story, so don't try and create a demand for one. Second, I've never heard of these directors. Stay in your lane, fellas. You may be captain of this ship (or you were), but Kathleen is Admiral of the Fleet.

Yeah, there was no fiasco with R1. It was a standard reshoot that some SW fans thought was a big deal.
Firing both directors mid filming though? That's huge. There's been a lot of negativity about this movie from the start, and this isn't going to help. I'm interested to see if this move helps the movie or hurts it even more.

Reshoots are standards, but a lot of the final version of R1 was done through those reshoots, specifically the ending. They re-wrote pretty big parts of that film for the reshoots.

All for the better, if you ask me, since the parts everyone seems to like all came from the re-writes.

I enjoyed the movie even more than TFA, so I agree.
Given the changes they made to Rogue One in reshoots that resulted in the movie being what they wanted, just imagine how far this movie must be from their intention if they felt the only course of action was to fire both directors at this point?
Botching R1 wouldn't have been the end of the world, because it's a standalone isolated story. But messing this one up would be pretty significant.

[Polarbear]

Bummer! I was really looking forward to Lorde & Miller directed SW movie!

This has become a troubling trend with the big franchises. The higher up's tell the directors what kind of movie they want, and if that won't work then you're out the door. No room for the directors to make their own vision. I think the reason why Wonder Woman and Logan were so good, is that Patty Jenkins and James Mangold clearly had creative freedom to do a movie they wanted.

I HATE that this has come to Star Wars franchise also. My favorite movie series!

No doubt they are going to replace them with a yes man, who will do exactly what Kennedy wants..

[faizoff]

The more I read the more it feels sensible for the firing to happen I suppose. The complaints I'm reading includes the executives not being happy with the performances of the actors and the general improvised feeling of the shoot.

From this article

The creative clash, according to one insider, also came down to differences in understanding the character of Han Solo. “People need to understand that Han Solo is not a comedic personality. He’s sarcastic and selfish,” said that source.

[Logain Ablar]

Wow, that's big news. I like The Lego Movie and 21 Jump St well enough, but if there was an attempt to bring that kind of chaotic humour to the Han Solo movie, I could see it being a disaster.

Even if they get a new director quickly, I'm wondering how much was already shot, and how much will have to be redone?

[Polarbear]

One thing is for certain, even if they get a new director onboard quickly, we are going to see massive reshoots and a delay of the release date.

They are probably going to scrap a lot of the footage, already in the can..

[MirrorMask]

Since we're on a DT forum we all know what "label interference" means, looking back on FII.

It seems a trend everywhere when business and arts collide: a musician knows the kind of album that wants to make but the label wants a hit, a director has a vision for a movie but the studio demands a love story etc etc... I could say that the executives never ever learn from their mistakes, but probably there are times and situations in which they're actually right, without considering they can't afford risks that may cost millions of money.

[BlobVanDam]

They're the equivalent of session musicians in this case. The person was hired because of their abilities, and there is some room for creative license and for them to put their mark on it, but at the end of the day, it still has to be within the defined parameters of what someone else wants creatively. Obviously they did not do that satisfactorily in this case.